Sen. Strom Thurmond dead at 100

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Are we really sure he's dead?? There was a rumor that he actually passed away in 1974.

I thought that rumor was about Paul McCartney?

Chris

Well, there WAS that picture of ol' Strom in a walrus suit...

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"...good politician..."

Heh heh... is that an oxymoron?

NO he's a good politician because he's dead!
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See the Democratic party as convienience oriented and justice ignorant as they have always been were the ultimate racists. As times became more modern and this was less tolerated they had to keep their KKK meetings private. Many southerners found themselves fed up with the Demcratic party not being as openly racist as they had already been used to

Yep well put... in the context of the times most of the south was Democratic for many years because of the Reconstruction devestation brought about by the Republican party after the War Betwixt the States.( There was no Civil War... no war is ever... civil).

So as the Democratic Party became more inclusive in the 1960's and 1970's most of those same racist homophobic right wing bible thumping rednecks migrated right on over to the Republican Party.. thereby forgetting thier historical roots. Perhaps that is why the Republicans seem to be doing so very well in those area's

Amazon

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Yep well put... in the context of the times most of the south was Democratic for many years because of the Reconstruction devestation brought about by the Republican party after the War Betwixt the States.( There was no Civil War... no war is ever... civil).

So as the Democratic Party became more inclusive in the 1960's and 1970's most of those same racist homophobic right wing bible thumping rednecks migrated right on over to the Republican Party.. thereby forgetting thier historical roots. Perhaps that is why the Republicans seem to be doing so very well in those area's

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You have made some accurate statements but before extending yourself to the bleeding heart liberal position let me point a few things out. First as I said the Democrats have always been the party of convienience. First to have slaves to pick cotton. Black people did not pose a threat in those days because they had them under control and they were able to mistreat them anyway way they wanted without consequence. In the sixties this started to change not because Kennedy cared about them but because they were rioting a lot. In D.C. in Burminham (nicknamed Burniningham). The riots got to the point that justified or not that the Democrats were willing to give Black people anything they wanted to avoid the fear of more violence. This is how the civil rights movement started. The fact is that to this day a very popular term used by the liberals is minority but the reality is that the only groups that get favorable legistlation pushed foward by the Democrats are the larger or more dangerous groups. The black population got favorable legistlation passed when their numbers got higher and they became dangerous. The same is seen in many other facets today. Take Catholics for example, compared to Protestans our numbers are insignificant and for that reason you can turn on a television set in the U.S. and see one Catholic joke after another and nobody complains. You wouldn't see Jewish jokes because they would go crazy and their numbers are high. Muslim numbers aren't high but they are crazy and would do suicide bombings so you nobody will offend the publicly and if they do the will do it oh so carefully claiming its not the religion its the extremeists.
Lets step back from religion and look at nationality. Propostion 187 in California stating that illegal immigrants were not going to have the birth of their children justify citizenship in the U.S., makes sense doesn't it. But no it pissed off the Mexicans because it took out an avenue for them to come here. There are millions of them in California and most of them have time protest or even riot. So guess what proposition 187 didn't pass and who spoke out against it, Democrats. Now look at Cubans less than a million in the entire U.S. These are people with and average income that is higher than the average American. A lot less of them and people much less likely to go out, riot and cause havoc. Now look at what happened with Elian Gonzalez the crime that was committed by Janet Reno sending people with machine guns in the middle of the night to break into a decent family's house and take a 6 year old boy at gun point later drug the boy and I don't even want to talk to much about it because it angers me to remember it. But why was it done because the Democrats could get away with it, they knew Cubans were not going to riot and they knew Cubans vote 87% Republican anyway. So you see in the Democratic party everything is about convienience today just as it was 100 years and Right and Wrong they leave for the Republicans.

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Can't think of anything I need
No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound.
Nothing to eat, no books to read.

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Basically he was a very good politician. Beyond that I truely believe that he was a die-hard racist and should have been out of public office by the 1970s.

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In Louisiana, a _good politician_ means when you buy him, he stays bought!

To love the game beyond the prize

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I'm shedding a tear reading your response......KICKASS!!!

Vinny the Anvil
Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL
JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

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So as the Democratic Party became more inclusive in the 1960's and 1970's most of those same racist homophobic right wing bible thumping rednecks migrated right on over to the Republican Party.. thereby forgetting thier historical roots. Perhaps that is why the Republicans seem to be doing so very well in those area's

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I find your stereotypes humorous in a way and sad in others. The democratic party has always been and is still steeped in the practice of judging people by their race and supporting programs that do the same. The Oreo Cookie incident after the LT GOV election in Maryland demonstrates this fact-of-life quite aptly, as does their support of institutionalized racism, their opposition to CA PROP 209, the recent party layoff scandal, and the way they target their campaign propaganda. The 'Republicans are racists' lie doesn't hold water - they are racially insensitive and proud of it (just like us libertarians).

Bible thumpers....ahhh...the anti-Christian bias of the media who coined this term. Christian folks like the conservative side of the political house because we tend to tell the truth more often than lefties, not cheat on our wives (Kerry and Clinton), donate to charity (how much was it Al Gore donated the year before the election?), and generally stick with Christian principles in their actions.

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Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL
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Christian folks like the conservative side of the political house because we tend to tell the truth more often than lefties, not cheat on our wives (Kerry and Clinton), donate to charity (how much was it Al Gore donated the year before the election?), and generally stick with Christian principles in their actions.

Speak for yourself. I speak for myself.

Anyway, I've never cheated on my wife

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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Speak for yourself. I speak for myself.

Anyway, I've never cheated on my wife

Wendy W.
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When posting our opinions about a political issue we often tend to forget a "tend" here and there. If you read anvil's post you would find it to be 99% accurate. Anvil simply forgot to put a tend after Christian and before folks. With that "tend" insterted there it would have been a 100% accurate post, which by far exceeds the overwelming majority of posts that are submitted here.
Still, something tells me you wouldn't have liked the post because you're not quite ready to rethink your position on the matter. I do however have hope that you and many others like you will eventually be able to rethink there positions about this, given that there is so much evidence contradicting the dissenting opinions.

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Can't think of anything I need
No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound.
Nothing to eat, no books to read.

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>Christian folks like the conservative side of the political house
> because we tend to tell the truth more often than lefties . . .

Hmm. I'm christian and I like conservatives because they tend to leave businesses alone, tend to reduce taxes, push for more local control and lean towards smaller government. (At least before this administration.) I like liberals because they are far more tolerant of that which is different from them, are more concerned about the environment, and are more pro-education.

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Billy read my post please. Fact is liberals are not more tolerant. They are only more tolerant when accepting something that its not in their best interests or they can not defeat. I think I gave quite a few examples for that. Oh I am sorry I meant liberal politicians, not liberals.
Concerned about the environment, yeah right. If you mean they care because they make up stories about Armageddon cases such as global warming destroying the planet and a couple of years later saying that infact what is happening is that we are going into a ice age, then fine they care about the environment.
Pro education that is a good one See improved education has nothing to do with money or funding. It has to do with good parenting skills and motivating your children to learn.
I worked for the Neward, NJ board of education installing a multi million dollar NT 4.0 network. Ofcourse that money did not come from Newark although that is the largest city in Jersey. No it came from the state. It came with the idea that if they took money out of school districts from Franklin Lakes, Upper Saddle River, Alpine, Ramsey, you know the rich white neighborhoods that these Newark kids would turnout the same. Well I will happen to know that it took3 or 4 days per school to install these networks. I could not finish a school with having to continue to replace equipment that was vandalized instantly. See you could spend all the money you want but if the kids don't want to learn, they are not going to. As I always say liberal politicans are not stupid they all know this. But it sounds nice for their name to say they spent large sums of money on education. And a lot of that money goes to teachers who are typically members of teacher's unions (people who love to vote for the Democrats).

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Reminds me of Monty Python... "I'm not dead yet!"

"Bring out yer dead!

"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat."

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"...good politician..."

Heh heh... is that an oxymoron?

"good politician" means "smooth liar"

Reminds me of Richard Jordan as Mr. Pelt in The Hunt for Red October

"I'm a politician, which means that when I'm not kissing babies I'm stealing their candy..."

Anybody who is in politics is there because they crave power and all that goes with it, not because they want to "serve us". What a laugh.

"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat."

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>Fact is liberals are not more tolerant.

In my experience they are. They are more likely to vote for legalizing gay marriage or same-sex partner benefits. They are more likely to be for legalized abortion, and to support anti hate crime legislation. If you desire proof, look up the voting records for HR4691 and S2549.

>Concerned about the environment, yeah right. If you mean they care
> because they make up stories about Armageddon cases such as
> global warming destroying the planet . . . .

Is it your position that global warming is not an issue? Interesting. Most other conservatives I know have gone from "global warming is a liberal myth" to "global warming won't affect too much" to "global warming is probably good for us!" Where are you along this range?

In any case, more voting records:

To stop ANWR drilling: R 8 for, D 43 for
Getting rid of fuel economy requirements for cars: R 43 for, D 19 for
Use of federal oil income to set aside land for conservation programs: R 118 for, D 196 for
Removal of some environmental review requirements for developers: R 173 for, D 52 for.

>Pro education that is a good one See improved education has
> nothing to do with money or funding. It has to do with good
> parenting skills and motivating your children to learn.

So it's your position that, although democrats vote for more money for education, republicans are really the more pro-education because they are better at motivating their children? Personally, I vote for politicians because I think they will represent me well in government, not because they are good parents (although that's always good.)

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So it's your position that, although democrats vote for more money for education, republicans are really the more pro-education because they are better at motivating their children? Personally, I vote for politicians because I think they will represent me well in government, not because they are good parents (although that's always good.)
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Its my position that you will produce better students teaching them in a warehouse if they are interested in learning than if you taught them in a palace if they had no desire to be there. If they were interested in learning they would take care of the warehouse and improve the conditions accordingly with their own tax dollars. If you took the money away from another district to build them a palace they would urinate, spit and vandalize it before you could finish building it. The response of the typical liberal politician would be to then go and steal some more money from the richer district. The cycle will repeat but the problem will never be solved.

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Nothing to eat, no books to read.

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>Its my position that you will produce better students teaching them
> in a warehouse if they are interested in learning than if you taught
> them in a palace if they had no desire to be there.

OK, so you're ok with teaching kids in a warehouse. No problem there. I prefer children be taught in good schools by good teachers, which is why I vote democratic when I'm concerned about education. If I'm more concerned about out of control spending I vote republican.

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I think what you need to do is vist some Newark public schools. There you will find what all the Democrats have created. I guarantee you that you will not find an elected Republican official in Newark, NJ. (Not in the past 20 years) So you can get a clear picture of what the Democrats have created there. After you visit Westside High (where Shkeal Oneil went to school) or Malcom X Shabbaz, south 17th street grammar school (they have 80 schools in their district believe me I can name a lot more) then you might realize that a clean warehouse would be a lot better place to learn in.

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The response of the typical liberal politician would be to then go and steal some more money from the richer district. The cycle will repeat but the problem will never be solved.

Do you have a idea to help with the problem of a mass of less-educated people (who therefore require more resources) besides "screw them?" or "they should have been born rich?" or "not my problem?"

Since they also live in this country, and share resources, it's not realistic to say they're not your problem. Either it's a small problem before education, or a large one without education.

The answer cannot start with "if they would just." You're not in charge of what other people do other than the ones you vote for.

It doesn't mean that people have to give up everything they've worked for. But acknowledging that I've had advantages others haven't, and helping to give people who haven't had similar advantages opportunities to exploit themselves is only realistic.

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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OK, so you're ok with teaching kids in a warehouse. No problem there.

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The response of the typical liberal politician would be to then go and steal some more money from the richer district. The cycle will repeat but the problem will never be solved.

Do you have a idea to help with the problem of a mass of less-educated people (who therefore require more resources) besides "screw them?" or "they should have been born rich?" or "not my problem?"

But acknowledging that I've had advantages others haven't, and helping to give people who haven't had similar advantages opportunities to exploit themselves is only realistic.

Wendy W.

Wendy, living in TX you should know all about the Robin Hood plan (take from the more affluent school districts and give to the less affluent). Just because we don't want to "screw" the less fortunate financially, does that mean it's okay to "screw" the more affluent in regards to education, just so that we even the score?

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I think I may owe beer, but I'm not completely opposed to what Wendy said. I do think the government should rob from the rich school districts (and that money shouldn't be allocated by local real estate values), but the problem is that the robbing they're doing isn't the right kind... I hear that there's a teacher shortage, while at the same time, I know teachers who can't find a job. The reality is that the teachers refuse to go to a war zone to teach because there's no benefit to it. The robbing that should be done is encouraging good teachers to go to bad areas and not continuing to pay the best teachers the most money to stay in the best schools. But, the teacher unions won't allow that. So, who's really interested in educating as opposed to more money for education?

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Yes, I know about Robin Hood. I live in an excellent school district, and we send money out. For that matter, my son went to private school (it suited him better), and I still paid my school taxes. School taxes aren't for my child per se. They're for children, and an educated population.

The less affluent are automatically screwed. The more affluent are not. I think it can go too far, but I don't think in principle it's entirely wrong, either. Just because it hurts me doesn't make something wrong.

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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"Do you have a idea to help with the problem of a mass of less-educated people (who therefore require more resources) besides "screw them?" or "they should have been born rich?" or "not my problem?" "

I do. Urban renewal and dispersion programs. It's proven that new communities, regardless of the income or background of the tenants, are safer and have children with better grades.

"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher