shah269 0 #1 December 27, 2011 Toggle grips? I was reading Blue Skies magazine the other day and noticed that in one of the CREW photos the toggles that the camera guy was using had what appeared to be nice thick loops that looked super comfy compared to the toggles I have on my Triathlon. This may sound like a very dumb question but....are toggles interchangeable? And if so I'm guessing one must also change out their risers to accommodate the new toggles to prevent break fires correct?Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
likestojump 3 #2 December 27, 2011 your Triathlon has no toggles toggles are part of your risers, and riser are part of your RIG (container). For the most part toggles are interchangeable, but some require more work than others (retrofitting). Before you decide to go with nice comfy toggles, think of how that stiffness will affect how your rig is packed. Also remember that CReW dogs spend a shitload more time under canopy and doing inputs rather than a regular skydiver who probably makes a few turns and flares. Do you really need them ? Reminds me of a few fresh A license jumpers who all bought themselves monkey fist handles for their pilot chutes for no good reason but that they looked (and no doubt sounded) cool. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shah269 0 #3 December 27, 2011 likestojump Thank you for the info, they just looked more comfy. My current toggles are a bit smallish and I can only really fit three fingers through. But if it s what it is then well such is life as they say.Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #4 December 27, 2011 Quote new toggles to prevent break fires You're an engineer - they're "brakes", not "breaks". They never catch on fire, however, sometimes they may release prematurely. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
likestojump 3 #5 December 27, 2011 these ? : http://www.rigginginnovations.com/products/accessories/toggles%202.0.jpg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shah269 0 #6 December 27, 2011 Quote these ? : http://www.rigginginnovations.com/products/accessories/toggles%202.0.jpg yeah that looks like what I got, work very well stay in place very well but man getting ones hands in there woooh not easy!Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinciflies 0 #7 December 27, 2011 Do you normally jump with gloves? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shah269 0 #8 December 27, 2011 Quote Do you normally jump with gloves? This fall I did, very thin ones and it was ok. But in the summer I do not but I'm told I should for safety. When I'm on the ground the grips fit my hands perfectly as in there is very little to no room. But in the air I recall having to work my fingers in getting to get a good grip. Just a thought just asking, if it is possible than cool if not than well I'll just live with it.Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinciflies 0 #9 December 27, 2011 Quote Quote Do you normally jump with gloves? This fall I did, very thin ones and it was ok. But in the summer I do not but I'm told I should for safety. There are two schools of thought on gloves, and you should go with your own opinion on this. Personally, I hate jumping with gloves and have never suffered an injury where gloves would have helped, but that does not mean that type of injury does not exist. If gloves are impeding your ability to perform (eg. getting your hands into your toggles) then that is a factor you need to consider. Are you comfortable steering on the rears after opening to start heading back and avoid others? If so, you have plenty of time to get your hands in the toggles. Clear your airspace, head back to your holding point and take your time getting your hands into the toggles. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shah269 0 #10 December 27, 2011 Quote Are you comfortable steering on the rears after opening to start heading back and avoid others? Yes I do and as such I'm ok. Just asking if there is an option for getting maybe slightly larger ones. I'll talk to my rigger this spring.Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theonlyski 8 #11 December 27, 2011 Quote Quote Are you comfortable steering on the rears after opening to start heading back and avoid others? Yes I do and as such I'm ok. Just asking if there is an option for getting maybe slightly larger ones. I'll talk to my rigger this spring. You can buy new risers, have someone build you new toggles, or have your current ones modified (not recommended). New risers would be my choice. My Mirage and UPT toggles were nice."I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Electronaut 0 #12 December 27, 2011 One thing you can also do is when you pack, put a crease in the toggle by folding the toggle upwards such that they will be standing up when you deploy. See post #3 in this thread: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=4074678;page=unread#unread Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #13 December 27, 2011 Quote When I'm on the ground the grips fit my hands perfectly as in there is very little to no room. But in the air I recall having to work my fingers in getting to get a good grip. I've never been comfortable having my hands jammed tight in toggles, as I feel that I won't be able to remove them quickly in an emergency. So I just put my first three fingers in the loop, and leave my pinky hanging out. That way and can slip them in the loop quick and easy, I've still got a good grip and can do everything I need with steering, and I also retain the ability to drop them quickly if I need to reach something else. You might try that technique on a jump or two and see how it feels to you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PiLFy 3 #14 December 27, 2011 "This may sound like a very dumb question but....are toggles interchangeable?" OMFG, Shah... You're an Engineer!! Are the little loops that are tied on by strings interchangeable!? You're drinking again. Aren't you? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 5 #15 December 28, 2011 If you can get someone to show you how to pack them properly, those particular toggles (and most others) will open up into a perfect square, making it easy to get your hands in. Pack with the toggles pointing up towards the lines, they'll "fall open" on deployment. Eventually they memorize the fold, and will help you remember to pack this way. It's much easier to get hands into, gloved or not. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theonlyski 8 #16 December 28, 2011 Quote If you can get someone to show you how to pack them properly, those particular toggles (and most others) will open up into a perfect square, making it easy to get your hands in. Pack with the toggles pointing up towards the lines, they'll "fall open" on deployment. Eventually they memorize the fold, and will help you remember to pack this way. It's much easier to get hands into, gloved or not. Like this. (for those who don't know what you're talking about)"I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shah269 0 #17 December 28, 2011 Thank you guys I will speak with my rigger at my home DZ to teach me how to pack my toggles correctly so that they open up. Thank you for the help!Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theonlyski 8 #18 December 28, 2011 Quote Thank you guys I will speak with my rigger at my home DZ to teach me how to pack my toggles correctly so that they open up. Thank you for the help! All you have to do is fold the toggle up when you stow the riser. Your rigger may have never seen it before, so don't be discouraged by that."I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dqpacker 7 #19 December 28, 2011 Now people are complaining about toggles and how comfy they are??? Fucking hell. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davelepka 4 #20 December 28, 2011 Quote "This may sound like a very dumb question but....are toggles interchangeable?" OMFG, Shah... You're an Engineer!! Are the little loops that are tied on by strings interchangeable!? You're drinking again. Aren't you? Are you suggesting they are interchangeable, and that he as an engineer should realize this? You realize that a toggle is just a 'loop on a string' after you unstow the brakes. Before that, it's a device that works with your risers to hold the brake setting securely through the deployment. Toggles are not interchangeable as the toggle keepers on risers from different manufacturers are not all the same. I cannot use my VSE toggles on a set of UPT risers, for example. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PiLFy 3 #21 December 28, 2011 You're no fun in this, Dave... Do try & get w/the spirit. OK, I thought most/all toggles would fit in the same hole in the risers. I guess they don't? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
likestojump 3 #22 December 28, 2011 hell no. some toggles use pin for the bottom retainer some toggles use stubs for bottom retainer there are variances in the toggle length, thus variable distances to placing pockets for the toggles to be stowed in some toggles use opposed stubs (Mirage) and need pockets facing each other as opposed to being in line and some risers use Velcro, where's those will be incompatible with velcroless toggles Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PiLFy 3 #23 December 28, 2011 I've seen some of the variations. I don't see why a little modification wouldn't make another pair work. Whatever. Never mind... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
likestojump 3 #24 December 28, 2011 Quote I've seen some of the variations. I don't see why a little modification wouldn't make another pair work. Whatever. Never mind... I responded to yoru previous post which said "I thought most/all toggles would fit in the same hole in the risers. I guess they don't? " The "little modification" is most definitely not major, but does take a little time to do neatly. I just did a set of risers where I took off the elastic toggle keepers and built type3 ones. It took over an hour to figure out the proper dimensions and to install them. Granted, if I was doing same style over and whatever it would shorten the production time, but I doubt too many riggers have a mound of risers to be converted. "whatever"and "never mind" are terrible words to use :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #25 December 28, 2011 Quote Now people are complaining about toggles and how comfy they are??? Fucking hell. Long as they LOOK COOL who cares how they 'feel'! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
