Mindcake 0 #1 July 11, 2003 2 days ago I was on a 5 way freefly zoo...the dive was going well(everyone docked on the base at least once). As the group reached 5500 I looked to my left and saw someone go into a track, at this point my dytter went off and I looked right (back at the base which was now 50 ft away from me). I then took a quick glance back left and went into my track...less than a second later I was hit hard (almost knocking me out, you know...black..ringing ears etc), it took me a couple seconds to gather myself and I looked for the person I collided with(to make sure they were ablt to deploy their chute...I saw knowone..I then heard my 3k alarm go off and I checked the airspace above me ...waved off and deployed my chute...after a off landing....downwind....and a broken tailbone I got a chance to talk to the person I collided with....he pretty much said that I was at fault and that I should have looked up before I tracked off...I consider this person a friend so I took his word that it was my foult and apoligized and tried to examine how I can prevent this from happening again...later I found that he was talkin smack about it to a group of mutual friends but I dont know exactly what was said as knowone wants to start something between us....anyway then next day everyone tells me that it was his fault for being directly above me.... what do you guys think????? Don´t belive the hype Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflyz 0 #2 July 11, 2003 What was the Exp. level of the other Freeflyers??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FliegendeWolf 0 #3 July 11, 2003 Some advice an oldtimer gave me: He said that given my little experience in the sport, an error on a dive is probably mine. However, he also pointed out that if someone involved goes out of their way to tell you that you fucked up and completely washes their hands of a situation, pay attention to how the experienced jumpers respond when this person asks to be on a jump with them. You can tell pretty fast whether a jumper's critique is coming from an honest appraisal or an inability to admit fallability.A One that Isn't Cold is Scarcely a One at All Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuteless 1 #4 July 11, 2003 Its the same rule that applies to flying hot air balloons...the ballon highest is responsible to keep out of the way of the one below, in case he should start to gain altitude. The lowest cannot see through his ballon to the guy above, but the top guy can always look over the side his basket and see the lower one. Tell the guy to go take a jump....in the lake Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chachi 0 #5 July 11, 2003 I would think it would be the person above's fault. He has a better view of what is going on. Same thing with canopy's. If I hook turn into someone below me, that would be my problem. We look above on deployment as a caution but I would expect to never see someone above me at deployment time and if I did I would flip on that person. Thank your "friend" for tracking into you and ask him if his eyes in the front of his head are better than the eyes in the back of yours. ~Chachi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Unstable 9 #6 July 11, 2003 Personally, I wouldn't let it get to you too much. Skydiving is your recreation - not your job. If you get involved in all these conflicts, you run the risk of taking an enjoyable activity and turning it into a burden. Let it slide..... Blue Skies,=========Shaun ========== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverdriver 6 #7 July 11, 2003 Quote 2 days ago I was on a 5 way freefly zoo...the dive was going well(everyone docked on the base at least once). As the group reached 5500 I looked to my left and saw someone go into a track, at this point my dytter went off and I looked right (back at the base which was now 50 ft away from me). I then took a quick glance back left and went into my track...less than a second later I was hit hard (almost knocking me out, you know...black..ringing ears etc), it took me a couple seconds to gather myself and I looked for the person I collided with(to make sure they were ablt to deploy their chute...I saw knowone..I then heard my 3k alarm go off and I checked the airspace above me ...waved off and deployed my chute...after a off landing....downwind....and a broken tailbone I got a chance to talk to the person I collided with....he pretty much said that I was at fault and that I should have looked up before I tracked off...I consider this person a friend so I took his word that it was my foult and apoligized and tried to examine how I can prevent this from happening again...later I found that he was talkin smack about it to a group of mutual friends but I dont know exactly what was said as knowone wants to start something between us....anyway then next day everyone tells me that it was his fault for being directly above me.... what do you guys think????? I always assume someone will cork and try not to fly directly over them. If it was break off you gotta transition at some point. It's easier for the higher jumper to look down and see the lower jumper. You can try to look above you but the advantage is all the higher jumper's. Chris Schindler Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mindcake 0 #8 July 11, 2003 the I came together with has 1000 jumps or so...everyone else on the dive was between 100 and 300 FF jumps Don´t belive the hype Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ThighMan 5 #9 July 11, 2003 First, glad to see that you are going to be OK. Though a sore BUTT for a while. I'm a flat flier and on track off, the low person has the right of way but it takes two. Next time, TRACK YOUR BUTT OFF I play in Big Ways and that is the key to survival. Rule: always clean air at 2000 feet. Again, glad to see you are going to be OK.Airborne Blue Skies, No Wind Feet and Knees Together Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mindcake 0 #10 July 11, 2003 Quote Thank your "friend" for tracking into you and ask him if his eyes in the front of his head are better than the eyes in the back of yours. ~Chachi to clarify: he was still in a stand directly above me..I transisioned into a track and he fell right on top of me. Don´t belive the hype Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #11 July 11, 2003 well the low person has the rigth of way under canopy. but I think that both of you have some fault in it. of course the higher person should be able to see you etc. I dont know the whole story and wouldnt guess. but there is one thing that is FOR SURE! it is everyones responsibilty to have sight of ALL jumpers on the jump! there are ocassions where fallrates dont match and vertical separation is insane but you should have that planned too. for instance, when I dive with a FLOATY jumper its pretty much drilled that if we separate I will set a track path and they will set an opposite one. (we have a c-206) so its easier for me to say that jumping with a small way! have I taken out formations? YES! Im sure itll come up again. am I the only one whose done so ? NOPE will this happen again? YES! did you AND THE OTHER jumper LEARN from this jump? I hope so IMHO the smacktalkers are usually the ones who can't face their own mistakes! but laying the blame soley on him/her is the wrong attitude also. I hope you heal fast and can keep the friendship. more importantly I hope you try to avoid this next time (Im not implying that you were aiming for this to happen, just hoping you take a bit of time in the ground to speak abou tbreak off ect. things I picked up on: Altitude awareness is imperative-- DONT RELY on your dytter. its a back up devise that can and will eventually malfunction if all variables arent in sync maybe you should start with a samller group ( you never said how many were there, and I dont know anything about the groups ability-so this is just a saftey thing)EDIT:at the time ityped this noone replied yet dont get involved with talking smack back! STATE YOUR CASE in a calm manner no matter how much shit the guy is talking! you will be rememebered for your cool head! there is NO BLAME in skydiving- just events and tragedies! strive for the first option but know that the 2nd is waiting to grab ya at any chance and finally! Have fun, live free, SKYDIVE...you are both still alive and in relatively good health. seek knowledge and learn from thisMy photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mindcake 0 #12 July 11, 2003 I totally agree JT...I would like to just take the lessons learned and move on...I hope that he can as well... Don´t belive the hype Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #13 July 11, 2003 Quote I totally agree JT...I would like to just take the lessons learned and move on...I hope that he can as well... well if he's any kinda a friend it'll be a chop breaking event for the rest of the time you are friends! LOL Comments like..DONT TAKE ME OUT THIS TIME OK?! made in jest should be put in place of the smack!My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
