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802.11b Wireless Network problem

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I'm planning on moving into a new house within the next 30 days. I'm going to be setting up a network in the ouse and would like to run a wireless network. Here's my dilema though... The router would be set up in the office on the ground floor. My room is the atic-loft. I talked to the provider and they said 150ft line sight is the best for the router and speeds.

The other option is to just hardwire the house with RJ-45 and put a router at the MPOE.

The house is 100 years old, concrete inthe basement, guessing there isn't much between the floors. Anyone have a similar setup with 802.11b and not have a problem? If I'm going to be paying extra for the 1.5-6.0 mbps I don't want it to be bogged down trying to get the signal upstairs

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What Grant said. I'm doing it right now to an equally elderly home I just bought. I planned on being able to cary the laptop anywhere in the house and plug in for a fast hard wire, secure connection, and it's going ok, so far. I'm backing up with wireless though, also, for those trip to the shop, or the swing on the gazebo.
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You pretty much need to run cat-5. Trying to run data through old phone lines will get you slow speeds (if you even get a connection)

If you can't get the lines ran you can try 802.11a or g both of which are 54MBps and have a bit more range than 802.11b
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802.11a has less of a range than 802.11b. It has a faster speed, but travels at 5ghz and works best at 65 feet. I think I'll hardwire the house then.

What I meant buy use the existing phone lines, ie run the cat5 thru the same jacks etc. I've never done any professional wiring, just under the carpet and thru vents. How would I wire it and have it come out of the same jack as a phone jack?
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Compromise and do both.

Wire to a more central and advantageous location in the house, then put your wireless router there.



Damn...beat me to it.

I agree with Quade. Pop the cabling for the WAP up on the first floor and you should be good to go. Small run of CAT-5 = big time saver.
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Compromise and do both.

Wire to a more central and advantageous location in the house, then put your wireless router there.



problem, won't have a computer on the first floor. i'd like to keep it all together.

For the speed I'll be paying for it's prob better to hardwire. Now i just need to know how to run cat 5 thru the walls
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What I meant buy use the existing phone lines, ie run the cat5 thru the same jacks etc. I've never done any professional wiring, just under the carpet and thru vents. How would I wire it and have it come out of the same jack as a phone jack?


In short, you can't. You'd need to replace all of the cabling with CAT-5 and then use an un-used pair for the phone. BTW, you're screwed if you ever want to go gigabit because it will use all four pairs in the cable.

If your phone lines are 4-condutor, then you can do LRE (long-range ethernet). Get a converter that will take your broadband input and convert it to DSL. Then get an LRE modem and put it on the other end. You only need two conductors between them.

For a joke, we actually ran it on a barbed wire fence and got over 1500 feet with no problems.

We use Cisco LRE equipment at work if we are faced with shitty cabling that we can't get easily replaced at a site, but I know there are cheaper solutions out there.

The Catalyst switch we use to break out from Ethernet to DSL runs about $900 but it's for 8 ports. The LRE modem goes for about $150.
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For the speed I'll be paying for it's prob better to hardwire. Now i just need to know how to run cat 5 thru the walls


Here's the deal on that:
It's an old stone house. you can fish walls that had wire put in from basment to 3rd flr at the time it was built, 100yrs ago.
You can find cold air return and just wire cat-5 for where you need it // 2nd sets of jacks or yank IW off and replace with new cat-5=same locs.
Othe ropt=run from NID to locs, up exterior.
>>HOME Dept. sells cat-5 4pr.OUTDOOR sheathed thick but, very good. Thats' waht I use at my house & family (My Co. doesn't allow us to take stuff home from work so, I go there & all's well)
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802.11a has less of a range than 802.11b. It has a faster speed, but travels at 5ghz and works best at 65 feet. I think I'll hardwire the house then.

What I meant buy use the existing phone lines, ie run the cat5 thru the same jacks etc. I've never done any professional wiring, just under the carpet and thru vents. How would I wire it and have it come out of the same jack as a phone jack?




Your right about the 802.11a my apologies. However I do get alot more range with my 802.11g than both of my friends 802.11b waps. I only use it for the laptop though, I ran the wires for the desktops.


And what we did in one guys house (sort of an older farmhouse style) was use the cold air returns, and for one room we used a fish tape through the place that some poor cable tv guy spent a lot of time figuring out.
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802.11a has less of a range than 802.11b. It has a faster speed, but travels at 5ghz and works best at 65 feet. I think I'll hardwire the house then.

What I meant buy use the existing phone lines, ie run the cat5 thru the same jacks etc. I've never done any professional wiring, just under the carpet and thru vents. How would I wire it and have it come out of the same jack as a phone jack?



Have you thought about going with 802.11g? It has the best range and coverage area of the three protocols. It also goes thru walls better.
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802.11g yeah i've thought about it but my roommate isn't going to be paying for any of this. It's kinda like my deposit on the place to live there. I provide internet and a network. So if I were going to spend the money for 802.11g I'd rather hardwire it to get the speed for less money... It's a tricky decission. Either run 802.11b because i can get the modem from work for 50$ or run it hardwired and keep up the speed
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Yeah, I would go with the hardwire.

It is a pain to start out with but in the long run you are better off because there are less problems(ussually), and its faster.
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Why do you need so much speed? Are you going to be doing data transfers between machines? If not, your internet connection is probably not faster than what wireless is going to run.

Also, what you could do is just put a couple of hard wired, wireless access points throughout the house. That way you only have to run a couple of cat 5 cables and can still roam about with your laptop.

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Just my experience - I have a house built in 1930 - big concrete and cinderblock basement and walls, whole house is brick. Three levels. I have both 802.11b laptops and 2.4 GHz wireless phones (all connected) on every level. Everything works fine. The wireless router is in the basement, and I have three wireless laptops, one on each level (remember one is two levels up) and it it works great. I have the main receiver for the phones (B&O) on the top level, and a phone on every level, and they all work fine. I have a 10/100 internal network, and I've never been unhappy with data transfer speeds. DSL at 640K and the DSL is always the limiting factor on speed, even with the one machine on the top level.

Now, going *outside* the house is a different story. If I take one of my laptops outside, it starts to get slow, and I can only seem to go about 40 feet outside before I lose all connectivity. I assume this is because of the concrete basement. The phones work well from about a block away - I assume this is because the main transceiver is on the top level.

I don't think you'll have a problem with 802.11b if you put the router in the basement and use the computer inside the house. The range on 2.4 GHz is quite good.
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Why do you need so much speed? Are you going to be doing data transfers between machines?

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For a couple reasons. Large data transfers between one computer that is used to only keep mp3's and videos, working with video transferrs from my laptop to desktop so i can burn them, and i have the need, the need for speed :P

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I stream MP3's and video from a server in my basement over a B network and haven't had any problems whatsoever. I have 2 gateways on opposite sides of the house each on different floors. works like a charm.
I'll third the hybrid network. I'd also put in a gateway per floor, or at least one on the top fllor and one in the basement. Just make sure the network and WEP are the same and they're setup for different channels and you'll pick up the strongest signal
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If you can't get the lines ran you can try 802.11a or g both of which are 54MBps and have a bit more range than 802.11b



No, they have LESS range than 802.11b.
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