madone52 0 #1 December 3, 2011 I have a mirage G4 with pull out deployment sys is it possible to convert it to BOC for wingsuit flying? it seems like all I need to do is attach a boc pouch and switch the pin/bridle/pc.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theonlyski 8 #2 December 3, 2011 QuoteI have a mirage G4 with pull out deployment sys is it possible to convert it to BOC for wingsuit flying? it seems like all I need to do is attach a boc pouch and switch the pin/bridle/pc.... It doesn't have a BOC pouch? You'll probably need to get a master rigger to perform the modification or send it into Mirage."I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #3 December 3, 2011 Why would you need a master rigger for that? It's as the OP suggested, pretty easy to add a BOC pocket, and an switch to a new bridle.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #4 December 4, 2011 QuoteWhy would you need a master rigger for that? It's as the OP suggested, pretty easy to add a BOC pocket, and an switch to a new bridle. ....................................................................... That work is only easy if you are already a rigger and have sewn on a few BOCs. ... AND you have the correct sewing machines. The other issue is about "altering" a harness/container. Any alteration - that affects opening characteristics - must be done by a Master Rigger. Go read the FARS. Rob Warner FAA Master Rigger CSPA Rigger Examiner Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 5 #5 December 4, 2011 Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the BOC exclusive of the TSO? I believe you can exit the aircraft with no BOC, holding the PC on exit, have a shrivel sewn into a wingsuit, ROL, etc without having a Master do the work? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrigger1 2 #6 December 4, 2011 Quote Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the BOC exclusive of the TSO? I believe you can exit the aircraft with no BOC, holding the PC on exit, have a shrivel sewn into a wingsuit, ROL, etc without having a Master do the work? DSE, The type of repair, or in this case an alteration, dictates the repairman rating needed. Just remember this for future reference: Minor Repairs - Master or Senior Rigger Major Repairs - Master Rigger Alterations and/or Modifications - Master rigger (No paperwork needed) Alterations and/or Modifications on TSO'd equipment - Master Rigger with authorization from either the Manufacturer or the Administrator.(paperwork required) The change of the original manufactured configuration (alteration) is what definitely makes it a Master Rigger work. BS, MELSkyworks Parachute Service, LLC www.Skyworksparachuteservice.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theonlyski 8 #7 December 4, 2011 QuoteCorrect me if I'm wrong, but isn't the BOC exclusive of the TSO? I believe you can exit the aircraft with no BOC, holding the PC on exit, have a shrivel sewn into a wingsuit, ROL, etc without having a Master do the work? If it's a repair on the deployment system that was already installed, that's one thing, but adding components and modifying the deployment method is a modification. (as Rob and MEL have stated) Sewing a BOC pouch on and changing the bridle/pc over isn't rocket surgery, but it is a legality thing."I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #8 December 4, 2011 QuoteCorrect me if I'm wrong, but isn't the BOC exclusive of the TSO? I believe you can exit the aircraft with no BOC, holding the PC on exit, have a shrivel sewn into a wingsuit, ROL, etc without having a Master do the work? ........................................................................ Only TSO C23D contains minimum performance standards for main containers. My point is to differentiate enthusiastic amateurs from professionally-trained parachute riggers. I can count - on one finger - the number amateurs that I would trust to sew on my parachute. Oh! Wait a minute, because she retired. Some of the ugliest sewing is done by amateurs. Did I ever tell you about the amateur rigger who proudly showed off a denim BOC that he had sewn with 50 stitches per inch? Or did I tell you about the last amateur-built BOC. I had to pull more than 30 pounds to extract the pilot-chute ... as I roared through 2,300 feet! Or how about the up-jumper who re-sewed her pull-out handle with mono-filament fishing line? Bottom line, if you are modifying a main activation device, you had better know what you are modifying. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 5 #9 December 5, 2011 I wasn't implying an amateur could do it, but rather that a senior could do so, assuming the rig was designed for it. thanks to you and Mel for setting me straight. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
