blondeflyer7 0 #251 June 13, 2003 I thanked god today for the trials I had to endure...he makes me strong Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SadSue 0 #252 June 13, 2003 Yawn.... Well If there is a god, I'm sure she'e really HOT. I'd imagine she wears strappy sandals as opposed to birkenstocks. Hope you don't get Banned! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sinker 0 #253 June 13, 2003 Quotetrying to box the infinite into tangible human words is exactly how religions begin and fail..god is by nessesity indefinable..to attempt to do so only exposes the limits of human thought... If that's how you feel, why are you speaking at all? Words are one of the best ways humans communicate about thoughts, ideas, realities, deities. Sure, words cannot begin to express the unfathomable mysteries of God. But you have to start somewhere. You're showing more of your misconceptions about Christianity... once you've tried to define or elucidate truths about God, you've automatically limited yourself and confined yourself and boxed yourself in, so you say. I think you've got it all backwards. Using words to express, as incomplete such expressions can be about God, is only the beginning to opening the door to the mystery of God... -the artist formerly known as sinker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sinker 0 #254 June 13, 2003 Quotethe only reasoning i can find is that of control..."god says do this" It's a shame that's all you can see. It is not that one dimensional. All of the dictates/mores/teachings of my faith have a reason, reasons that are understandable. Reasons that do make sense, if you bothered to look into why they exist. And I have NEVER experienced personally that control that you claim is the only motivation behind leaders of Christian religions. I know it exists though. But none of the priests, religious, etc. that I have encountered have said "do this or go to hell. do this b/c God said so." Although, in another sense, for those who believe in God and in the way He choses to speak, it is ENOUGH that God said so in order for His children to act. That doesn't mean, however, that there is no rationale for what God has his children do. Have you ever stopped to think of WHY Christianity has certain proscriptions? Rules of conduct? Dictates of behavior? Why, in your world of perception, is the only motivation for such things a twisted desire to rule and control over people? -the artist formerly known as sinker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhino 0 #255 June 13, 2003 QuoteIt's a shame that's all you can see. It is not that one dimensional. All of the dictates/mores/teachings of my faith have a reason, reasons that are understandable. Reasons that do make sense, if you bothered to look into why they exist. What you said.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sinker 0 #256 June 13, 2003 Howdy Rhino!!! Is the bun done in the oven????? We're on pins and needles here... you may have spoken to this already, but this God-thread is the only one I've been watching lately... -the artist formerly known as sinker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JackC 0 #257 June 13, 2003 QuoteI think you've got it all backwards. Using words to express, as incomplete such expressions can be about God, is only the beginning to opening the door to the mystery of God... Or god dissapears in a puff of logic. Once you actually start to define god, you end up defining yourself into a corner. If you say god is omniscient, then either you can't have free will or you can't have god is omnibenevolent. If you define god as omnibenevolent then you can't have omniscient and/or omnipotent blah blah blah.. the list goes on. As soon as you start to limit the omni bits to get round the logical incoherence you no longer have The Almighty but merely the rather powerful or mostly good or knows alot but not everything. If you don't try to define god at all, then religion is completely pointless since you have no idea what your talking about. Which ever way you put it, I always end up with the conclusion that God is Santa Claus for adults. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Muenkel 0 #258 June 13, 2003 QuoteI always end up with the conclusion that God is Santa Claus for adults. And boy did He give us the greatest gift on Christmas Day...His Son.Chris _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sinker 0 #259 June 13, 2003 How is it that having an omniscient (all-knowning) God negates free-will? -the artist formerly known as sinker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sinker 0 #260 June 13, 2003 QuoteWhich ever way you put it, I always end up with the conclusion that God is Santa Claus for adults. How incredibly myopic. -the artist formerly known as sinker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FliegendeWolf 0 #261 June 13, 2003 QuoteOr god dissapears in a puff of logic. "And man goes on to prove that black is white and gets himself killed at the next pedestrian crossing."A One that Isn't Cold is Scarcely a One at All Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites blondeflyer7 0 #262 June 13, 2003 I've put alot of thought into these quotes back and forth.....I know they are talking forums but...we people a have our differen't opinions..yea I may get mad enough at some of the posts to blow up like a blowfish...sinker your words were beautiful and I'm glad to see them posted but..maybe if we worded things so it doesn't seem we are putting other peoples feelings down too....Yes I'm a christian and I love god with all my heart but I do not try to justify these people and why they feel the way they do. They have thier opinions as well as others....think real hard..do you think god would like the bickering...no...his wisdom ....yes... Let me explain what I mean....instead of quoting someones words start the sentence with...well there was some talk about this and this is how I feel about it....thats not putting that person on the spot and may cause some bickering...where if we just speak as we feel regardless if it makes you so mad you want to pick up the keyboard and throw it across the room...let them speak thats thier right...does everyone agree...NO..I kinda like hearing the thoughts even if they are wrong...maybe somone can pick up on what they say and can help the individual through PM's....but its nice to see it hasn't been locked....I'm happy for that.. And hey if no one likes how I feel they don't have to quote me either just let it drift. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sinker 0 #263 June 13, 2003 hmmm... did I say something that may have hurt someone's feelings? Was it the comment about myopia? That referred to the short-sightedness of the view of God as Santa-Claus. I don't think it is all that unreasonable to say that a view of God as SC is myopic, considering that to me, such a view of God is a little offensive. That goes for many of the snide things Zenister has said about the God worship as well. People who don't believe in the Christian concept of God can certainly offer something to this debate w/o resorting to vitriolic comments. I've tried not to respond to any of these posts out of anger. And I think I've done an ok job, barring a few instances of sarcasm. If someone doesn't agree w/ my assessment, I have no problem eating crow and apologizing. But please quote me so that I can see what you mean. As for starting w/ a quote from a previous post, I do that so that the person I'm responding to knows what I mean. Does God want us bickering? No. Would God be pleased w/ open and honest debate about His existance? About the attributes we think best describes God? Most suredly He would... -the artist formerly known as sinker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Muenkel 0 #264 June 13, 2003 Nicely put Becky. Chris _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Muenkel 0 #265 June 13, 2003 And nicely put Michael. Chris _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sinker 0 #266 June 13, 2003 you're such an ass kisser, Muenkel! Get back to work!!! -the artist formerly known as sinker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #267 June 13, 2003 Sinker, I have to say that I actually enjoy reading your posts. You are obviously well educated on the subject and a strong believer. I don't agree with you, but you always have well written responses to this subject. Not sure what point I am trying to make, but thought I would say that anyways. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Muenkel 0 #268 June 13, 2003 Justin, I think what you are demonstrating is that you are a very fair man and willing to respect other peoples viewpoints. They may not be your own, but you show respect. And that I admire. Chris _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sinker 0 #269 June 13, 2003 skydekker, I very much appreciate your comment. And I thoroughly enjoy discussing such issues with people who do not believe the same as me. It makes me a more rounded person to be able to flex my mind and see things from other people's perspective. And I have to say, some of the richest friendships I've had were with people with dissimilar views. In fact, one of my best friends in the whole world, until she moved away, was with a fiery red-headed lesbian who was Wiccan. What great conversations we had! -the artist formerly known as sinker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #270 June 13, 2003 Quoteskydekker, I very much appreciate your comment. And I thoroughly enjoy discussing such issues with people who do not believe the same as me. Same here, I hope we will be able to have this discussion with a bere in hand one of these days. Chris, I hope you get your ass in the air this weekend Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sinker 0 #271 June 13, 2003 indeed we shall! something to work towards. I'm very anxious to meet all these people I've met here. -the artist formerly known as sinker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Muenkel 0 #272 June 13, 2003 QuoteChris, I hope you get your ass in the air this weekend Me too. Right now the weather does not look good for tomorrow, but perfect for Sunday. But, how do I bail on my dad on Father's Day? Chris _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sinker 0 #273 June 13, 2003 don't bail on him, bring him along! -the artist formerly known as sinker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites blondeflyer7 0 #274 June 13, 2003 That post was not directed at you..that post is mainly directed at alot of the quotes...Your words were beautiful...as I said once before....not meaning that post at you at all you took me all wrong. As for the quotes if you feel better doing them hey thats great I quote all the time too...I just don't like putting people down for thier speech or how they feel. Now AGGRAVATING is what I like doing ....and I have to say I do a GOOD job at it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sinker 0 #275 June 13, 2003 ahhh.... sorry that I misunderstood you... I see your point. However, I wonder if there is a better way? I mean, I sometimes think it's alright NOT to quote, if there is little chance that someone will be misunderstood (like what I did to you w/o using quotes). However, this issue is so easily convoluted... I will take what you said to heart and try hard to not put anyone down or even to say something that could be construed that way. -the artist formerly known as sinker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 Next Page 11 of 14 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. 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SadSue 0 #252 June 13, 2003 Yawn.... Well If there is a god, I'm sure she'e really HOT. I'd imagine she wears strappy sandals as opposed to birkenstocks. Hope you don't get Banned! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sinker 0 #253 June 13, 2003 Quotetrying to box the infinite into tangible human words is exactly how religions begin and fail..god is by nessesity indefinable..to attempt to do so only exposes the limits of human thought... If that's how you feel, why are you speaking at all? Words are one of the best ways humans communicate about thoughts, ideas, realities, deities. Sure, words cannot begin to express the unfathomable mysteries of God. But you have to start somewhere. You're showing more of your misconceptions about Christianity... once you've tried to define or elucidate truths about God, you've automatically limited yourself and confined yourself and boxed yourself in, so you say. I think you've got it all backwards. Using words to express, as incomplete such expressions can be about God, is only the beginning to opening the door to the mystery of God... -the artist formerly known as sinker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sinker 0 #254 June 13, 2003 Quotethe only reasoning i can find is that of control..."god says do this" It's a shame that's all you can see. It is not that one dimensional. All of the dictates/mores/teachings of my faith have a reason, reasons that are understandable. Reasons that do make sense, if you bothered to look into why they exist. And I have NEVER experienced personally that control that you claim is the only motivation behind leaders of Christian religions. I know it exists though. But none of the priests, religious, etc. that I have encountered have said "do this or go to hell. do this b/c God said so." Although, in another sense, for those who believe in God and in the way He choses to speak, it is ENOUGH that God said so in order for His children to act. That doesn't mean, however, that there is no rationale for what God has his children do. Have you ever stopped to think of WHY Christianity has certain proscriptions? Rules of conduct? Dictates of behavior? Why, in your world of perception, is the only motivation for such things a twisted desire to rule and control over people? -the artist formerly known as sinker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #255 June 13, 2003 QuoteIt's a shame that's all you can see. It is not that one dimensional. All of the dictates/mores/teachings of my faith have a reason, reasons that are understandable. Reasons that do make sense, if you bothered to look into why they exist. What you said.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sinker 0 #256 June 13, 2003 Howdy Rhino!!! Is the bun done in the oven????? We're on pins and needles here... you may have spoken to this already, but this God-thread is the only one I've been watching lately... -the artist formerly known as sinker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackC 0 #257 June 13, 2003 QuoteI think you've got it all backwards. Using words to express, as incomplete such expressions can be about God, is only the beginning to opening the door to the mystery of God... Or god dissapears in a puff of logic. Once you actually start to define god, you end up defining yourself into a corner. If you say god is omniscient, then either you can't have free will or you can't have god is omnibenevolent. If you define god as omnibenevolent then you can't have omniscient and/or omnipotent blah blah blah.. the list goes on. As soon as you start to limit the omni bits to get round the logical incoherence you no longer have The Almighty but merely the rather powerful or mostly good or knows alot but not everything. If you don't try to define god at all, then religion is completely pointless since you have no idea what your talking about. Which ever way you put it, I always end up with the conclusion that God is Santa Claus for adults. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #258 June 13, 2003 QuoteI always end up with the conclusion that God is Santa Claus for adults. And boy did He give us the greatest gift on Christmas Day...His Son.Chris _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sinker 0 #259 June 13, 2003 How is it that having an omniscient (all-knowning) God negates free-will? -the artist formerly known as sinker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sinker 0 #260 June 13, 2003 QuoteWhich ever way you put it, I always end up with the conclusion that God is Santa Claus for adults. How incredibly myopic. -the artist formerly known as sinker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FliegendeWolf 0 #261 June 13, 2003 QuoteOr god dissapears in a puff of logic. "And man goes on to prove that black is white and gets himself killed at the next pedestrian crossing."A One that Isn't Cold is Scarcely a One at All Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blondeflyer7 0 #262 June 13, 2003 I've put alot of thought into these quotes back and forth.....I know they are talking forums but...we people a have our differen't opinions..yea I may get mad enough at some of the posts to blow up like a blowfish...sinker your words were beautiful and I'm glad to see them posted but..maybe if we worded things so it doesn't seem we are putting other peoples feelings down too....Yes I'm a christian and I love god with all my heart but I do not try to justify these people and why they feel the way they do. They have thier opinions as well as others....think real hard..do you think god would like the bickering...no...his wisdom ....yes... Let me explain what I mean....instead of quoting someones words start the sentence with...well there was some talk about this and this is how I feel about it....thats not putting that person on the spot and may cause some bickering...where if we just speak as we feel regardless if it makes you so mad you want to pick up the keyboard and throw it across the room...let them speak thats thier right...does everyone agree...NO..I kinda like hearing the thoughts even if they are wrong...maybe somone can pick up on what they say and can help the individual through PM's....but its nice to see it hasn't been locked....I'm happy for that.. And hey if no one likes how I feel they don't have to quote me either just let it drift. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sinker 0 #263 June 13, 2003 hmmm... did I say something that may have hurt someone's feelings? Was it the comment about myopia? That referred to the short-sightedness of the view of God as Santa-Claus. I don't think it is all that unreasonable to say that a view of God as SC is myopic, considering that to me, such a view of God is a little offensive. That goes for many of the snide things Zenister has said about the God worship as well. People who don't believe in the Christian concept of God can certainly offer something to this debate w/o resorting to vitriolic comments. I've tried not to respond to any of these posts out of anger. And I think I've done an ok job, barring a few instances of sarcasm. If someone doesn't agree w/ my assessment, I have no problem eating crow and apologizing. But please quote me so that I can see what you mean. As for starting w/ a quote from a previous post, I do that so that the person I'm responding to knows what I mean. Does God want us bickering? No. Would God be pleased w/ open and honest debate about His existance? About the attributes we think best describes God? Most suredly He would... -the artist formerly known as sinker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #264 June 13, 2003 Nicely put Becky. Chris _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #265 June 13, 2003 And nicely put Michael. Chris _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sinker 0 #266 June 13, 2003 you're such an ass kisser, Muenkel! Get back to work!!! -the artist formerly known as sinker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #267 June 13, 2003 Sinker, I have to say that I actually enjoy reading your posts. You are obviously well educated on the subject and a strong believer. I don't agree with you, but you always have well written responses to this subject. Not sure what point I am trying to make, but thought I would say that anyways. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Muenkel 0 #268 June 13, 2003 Justin, I think what you are demonstrating is that you are a very fair man and willing to respect other peoples viewpoints. They may not be your own, but you show respect. And that I admire. Chris _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sinker 0 #269 June 13, 2003 skydekker, I very much appreciate your comment. And I thoroughly enjoy discussing such issues with people who do not believe the same as me. It makes me a more rounded person to be able to flex my mind and see things from other people's perspective. And I have to say, some of the richest friendships I've had were with people with dissimilar views. In fact, one of my best friends in the whole world, until she moved away, was with a fiery red-headed lesbian who was Wiccan. What great conversations we had! -the artist formerly known as sinker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #270 June 13, 2003 Quoteskydekker, I very much appreciate your comment. And I thoroughly enjoy discussing such issues with people who do not believe the same as me. Same here, I hope we will be able to have this discussion with a bere in hand one of these days. Chris, I hope you get your ass in the air this weekend Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sinker 0 #271 June 13, 2003 indeed we shall! something to work towards. I'm very anxious to meet all these people I've met here. -the artist formerly known as sinker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Muenkel 0 #272 June 13, 2003 QuoteChris, I hope you get your ass in the air this weekend Me too. Right now the weather does not look good for tomorrow, but perfect for Sunday. But, how do I bail on my dad on Father's Day? Chris _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sinker 0 #273 June 13, 2003 don't bail on him, bring him along! -the artist formerly known as sinker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites blondeflyer7 0 #274 June 13, 2003 That post was not directed at you..that post is mainly directed at alot of the quotes...Your words were beautiful...as I said once before....not meaning that post at you at all you took me all wrong. As for the quotes if you feel better doing them hey thats great I quote all the time too...I just don't like putting people down for thier speech or how they feel. Now AGGRAVATING is what I like doing ....and I have to say I do a GOOD job at it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sinker 0 #275 June 13, 2003 ahhh.... sorry that I misunderstood you... I see your point. However, I wonder if there is a better way? I mean, I sometimes think it's alright NOT to quote, if there is little chance that someone will be misunderstood (like what I did to you w/o using quotes). However, this issue is so easily convoluted... I will take what you said to heart and try hard to not put anyone down or even to say something that could be construed that way. -the artist formerly known as sinker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 Next Page 11 of 14 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
Muenkel 0 #268 June 13, 2003 Justin, I think what you are demonstrating is that you are a very fair man and willing to respect other peoples viewpoints. They may not be your own, but you show respect. And that I admire. Chris _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sinker 0 #269 June 13, 2003 skydekker, I very much appreciate your comment. And I thoroughly enjoy discussing such issues with people who do not believe the same as me. It makes me a more rounded person to be able to flex my mind and see things from other people's perspective. And I have to say, some of the richest friendships I've had were with people with dissimilar views. In fact, one of my best friends in the whole world, until she moved away, was with a fiery red-headed lesbian who was Wiccan. What great conversations we had! -the artist formerly known as sinker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #270 June 13, 2003 Quoteskydekker, I very much appreciate your comment. And I thoroughly enjoy discussing such issues with people who do not believe the same as me. Same here, I hope we will be able to have this discussion with a bere in hand one of these days. Chris, I hope you get your ass in the air this weekend Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sinker 0 #271 June 13, 2003 indeed we shall! something to work towards. I'm very anxious to meet all these people I've met here. -the artist formerly known as sinker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #272 June 13, 2003 QuoteChris, I hope you get your ass in the air this weekend Me too. Right now the weather does not look good for tomorrow, but perfect for Sunday. But, how do I bail on my dad on Father's Day? Chris _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sinker 0 #273 June 13, 2003 don't bail on him, bring him along! -the artist formerly known as sinker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blondeflyer7 0 #274 June 13, 2003 That post was not directed at you..that post is mainly directed at alot of the quotes...Your words were beautiful...as I said once before....not meaning that post at you at all you took me all wrong. As for the quotes if you feel better doing them hey thats great I quote all the time too...I just don't like putting people down for thier speech or how they feel. Now AGGRAVATING is what I like doing ....and I have to say I do a GOOD job at it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sinker 0 #275 June 13, 2003 ahhh.... sorry that I misunderstood you... I see your point. However, I wonder if there is a better way? I mean, I sometimes think it's alright NOT to quote, if there is little chance that someone will be misunderstood (like what I did to you w/o using quotes). However, this issue is so easily convoluted... I will take what you said to heart and try hard to not put anyone down or even to say something that could be construed that way. -the artist formerly known as sinker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
