rhino 0 #1 July 20, 2003 I am FURIOUS about this reserve pin shit.. I don't know what to say other than QWRFL@$MGTL:KN@#$TJKL#N!$TRNKL#!$NKL#!NKLNKL Rhino Segador calming Rhino down.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #2 July 20, 2003 tell me about it MY question is...since its a recall do they replace it for free? Im almost due for a repack(aug 20th) but I meanif they gotta replace my pin why should I pay for it?My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
QuickDraw 0 #3 July 20, 2003 I can't say i've been reading up on this really but, can't a rigger use a temp pin to do this ? -- Hope you don't die. -- I'm fucking winning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #4 July 20, 2003 for the prevention of a repack? sure but the pins from 2001 -2003 may be meesed up! my rig was made in april2001My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbrown 26 #5 July 21, 2003 From time to time stuff like this happens. In the eighties, first it was a batch of 3 rings improperly heat treated. Some of the rings distorted out of round from normal opening stresses. Everybody had to have a Rockwell hardness check on their 3 rings and some had to have their rings replaced. Then there was the acid mesh debacle, when fire retardant on round reserve steering mod mesh was linked to deterioration of canopy fabric to the strength of toilet paper - now there's a nasty surprise. Some people had to trash their reserves and it pretty well hastened the death knell of the round reserve. So now it's ripcord pins. Let's count our blessings, nobody's been hurt or killed and the problem's been identified and is being brought under control. A pain in the ass ? You bet ! But welcome to sport aviation. Anybody who wants to fly has to comply with this stuff, often out of your own pocket, whether you own a parachute, a glider, Cessna, Otter, or 747. This shit happens. It's unmanly to whine about it. Besides, what are we going to do, start suing the gear manufacturers ? The last time that happened, two of the major manufacturers said "fuck it" and got out of the sport market altogether(Pioneer and GQ Security). That would be good, who would we like to force out this time ? That's also where Bill Booth changed his company's name to The UNINSURED Relative Workshop, to poison pill the lawyers. In short, we pays our money, we takes our chances, and we sometimes pays some more money. But we like it that way. Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #6 July 21, 2003 hell, I would never suggest suing over this. but Im still wondering what happens if our pins are deemed bad? i mean recalls usually mean a free replacement. is it the same with this situation?My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #7 July 21, 2003 Quotecan't a rigger use a temp pin to do this ? My reserve pin was tested in Deland yesterday. It had to be tested because the ripcord has a date of "01" on it (container d.o.m. is November of '01 so I highly doubt that it was "really" needed, but anyway). Cost me $5. Not a big deal, even for someone as cheap as I am. The pin does not need to be pulled for the test to be done on most rigs. Racers may be an exception to that though, since the top of the top pin is hidden inside the cable housing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #8 July 21, 2003 I thought he meant if you need to replace the pin. either way it shouldnt have to be repacked. Thats assuming that the SAME rigger is checking your gear. if I was a rigger I wouldnt wanna put mY seal on someone elses workMy photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
indyz 1 #9 July 21, 2003 QuoteMY question is...since its a recall do they replace it for free? It is not a recall. It's a quick test, and most ripcords will not fail. For replacements, you will probably need to contact your manufacturer, or wherever you got your handle from if you don't have the one that came with your rig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #10 July 21, 2003 good point. I was thinking about switching to a pillow reserve. I guess now is the best time to do itMy photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #11 July 21, 2003 QuoteThats assuming that the SAME rigger is checking your gear. My rigger lives in California. The test was done in Deland. The pin never left the closing loop. The test can be done with the pin in place. There's no need to reseal anything because the seal is never broken. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #12 July 21, 2003 you misunderstood. I know the check is simple. but if you have to replace the pin you will need to pull the handle out.My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #13 July 21, 2003 Quoteyou misunderstood. Why, yes! As a matter of fact, I did! Sorry 'bout that... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #14 July 21, 2003 haha No probMy photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #15 July 21, 2003 Seems to me like the entire reserve system needs to be revamped.. From the cutaway handle all the way to the pin.. Points of failure need to be eliminated all together.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
indyz 1 #16 July 21, 2003 QuotePoints of failure need to be eliminated all together.. Even a paperweight has points of failure. Eliminating them altogether from the reserve activation system is an unrealistic goal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyAnt 0 #17 July 21, 2003 I heard someone talking about it at the DZ yesterday. Is it only for rigs with a DOM between 01-03? How do they test it then? "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke (1729-1797) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #18 July 21, 2003 Quotebut the pins from 2001 -2003 may be meesed up! Hmmmm....good thing I have a 95 Dolphin....my pin seems to be fine. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #19 July 21, 2003 Quotefor the prevention of a repack? sure but the pins from 2001 -2003 may be meesed up! my rig was made in april2001 The dates are from Nov. 28, 2001, to June 15, 2003. Your rig does not need testing. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #20 July 21, 2003 REALLY? JUNE 2001? I thought it was all of 2001. I havent read the gear forum in a few days! that would be sweet...like salt water taffy, or a chunky! My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeatlast 0 #21 July 21, 2003 As it has been said already this test needs doing and there seems little benefit to anyone to sue the manufacturers (unless there's a major incident / fatality and the manufacturers KNEW ABOUT THE PROBLEM BUT DID NOTHING, then I'd sue)!!! Speaking as someone whose pin just failed the test - it's a pain but I'm alive and hopefully going to stay that way !!! It's just a shame I'm off to Europe and I won't have my rig with me now ... Still I'm heading for the sun !!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kevin922 0 #22 July 21, 2003 QuoteQuotebut the pins from 2001 -2003 may be meesed up! Hmmmm....good thing I have a 95 Dolphin....my pin seems to be fine. Yeah I have a 97 mirage.. whew :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jceman 1 #23 July 21, 2003 QuoteQuoteQuotebut the pins from 2001 -2003 may be meesed up! Hmmmm....good thing I have a 95 Dolphin....my pin seems to be fine. Yeah I have a 97 mirage.. whew :) Kevin and JT -- the date your rig was made means squat! Look at your reserve ripcord handle; there is a date/year stamped into it. THAT is what is important; it is the only proof of when the ripcord was assembled. Like Lisa stated earlier, her rig was assembled a week or two before the dates stated in the SB, but with month/year only stamped, it had t be tested. Even though my Mirage has a date manufactured of 10 May 00, the only proof that my rig didn't fall under the SB was the date on the handle -- what if I had had a cutaway and lost my reserve ripcord? Faster horses, younger women, older whiskey, more money. Why do they call it "Tourist Season" if we can't shoot them? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jtval 0 #24 July 21, 2003 I understand that, but If I got the rig before june 01 I cant see how the reserve RC would be newer. its the original handle...I willcheck it before I jump anyway but its a bit of a relief knowing that the dates are after the birth of my rigMy photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #25 July 21, 2003 QuoteI am FURIOUS about this reserve pin shit.. I don't know what to say other than QWRFL@$MGTL:KN@#$TJKL#N!$TRNKL#!$NKL#!NKLNKL Rhino Segador calming Rhino down.... How do you think I feel about ADs on my airplane that cost $thousands to comply with?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
kevin922 0 #22 July 21, 2003 QuoteQuotebut the pins from 2001 -2003 may be meesed up! Hmmmm....good thing I have a 95 Dolphin....my pin seems to be fine. Yeah I have a 97 mirage.. whew :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jceman 1 #23 July 21, 2003 QuoteQuoteQuotebut the pins from 2001 -2003 may be meesed up! Hmmmm....good thing I have a 95 Dolphin....my pin seems to be fine. Yeah I have a 97 mirage.. whew :) Kevin and JT -- the date your rig was made means squat! Look at your reserve ripcord handle; there is a date/year stamped into it. THAT is what is important; it is the only proof of when the ripcord was assembled. Like Lisa stated earlier, her rig was assembled a week or two before the dates stated in the SB, but with month/year only stamped, it had t be tested. Even though my Mirage has a date manufactured of 10 May 00, the only proof that my rig didn't fall under the SB was the date on the handle -- what if I had had a cutaway and lost my reserve ripcord? Faster horses, younger women, older whiskey, more money. Why do they call it "Tourist Season" if we can't shoot them? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #24 July 21, 2003 I understand that, but If I got the rig before june 01 I cant see how the reserve RC would be newer. its the original handle...I willcheck it before I jump anyway but its a bit of a relief knowing that the dates are after the birth of my rigMy photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #25 July 21, 2003 QuoteI am FURIOUS about this reserve pin shit.. I don't know what to say other than QWRFL@$MGTL:KN@#$TJKL#N!$TRNKL#!$NKL#!NKLNKL Rhino Segador calming Rhino down.... How do you think I feel about ADs on my airplane that cost $thousands to comply with?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
