craichead 0 #1 July 23, 2003 So, around next spring I am marrying AndyMan, who is Canadian. Lately I've been pondering whether or not I should eventually become a Canadian citizen myself. Our friend Erica suggested that I take it to the Dropzone.com polls, so here it is! Let's see what you all have to say about why I should or shouldn't become a Canadian. -P__ "Scared of love, love and aeroplanes...falling out, I said takes no brains." -- Andy Partridge (XTC) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rebecca 0 #2 July 23, 2003 I can't imagine not wanting to be an American. What are the pros of becoming Canadian? What's involved? Will you have to give up US citizenship? you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel loquacious?' -- well do you, punk? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #3 July 23, 2003 The more cards you have in your deck, the better off you will be. You never know when a great opportunity for both of you might come up where having a canadian passport could help.Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlueEyedMonster 0 #4 July 23, 2003 I'd go with Dual Citizenship. That way you can belong to whatever country is being the least stupid at the moment Keep all your options open! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kiltboy 0 #5 July 23, 2003 I wouldn't change nationality myself but it's a personal decision. David Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #6 July 23, 2003 QuoteWill you have to give up US citizenship? Didnt the US gov. grow up and stoped that nonsense a while ago?Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #7 July 23, 2003 I'm staying out of this one... That said, nobody has to give up citizenship. As to why someone would want to, well - Americans have a proud history of giving up and heading north. It peaked during the Vietnam war, but has been picking up since 9/11. Here's an article from the Associated Press outlining the current trend: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=517&ncid=517&e=4&u=/ap/20030719/ap_on_re_ca/considering_canada _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rebecca 0 #8 July 23, 2003 QuoteQuoteWill you have to give up US citizenship? Didnt the US gov. grow up and stoped that nonsense a while ago? I would hope so! Hell, if you can do both, go for it! Much as I love the US, not everyone in the world does, so like Blue said, a second passport could come in really handy at times. you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel loquacious?' -- well do you, punk? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blahr 0 #9 July 23, 2003 I did the same. Married a Canadian and moved to Canada for a couple years. This doesnt mean you have to change your citizenship. If you can get dual citizenship then go for it. DONT give up your citizenship in the United States Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rebecca 0 #10 July 23, 2003 QuoteI'm staying out of this one... That said, nobody has to give up citizenship. As to why someone would want to, well - Americans have a proud history of giving up and heading north. It peaked during the Vietnam war, but has been picking up since 9/11. Here's an article from the Associated Press outlining the current trend: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=517&ncid=517&e=4&u=/ap/20030719/ap_on_re_ca/considering_canada _Am Thanks for the article. I think it's awesome if you have the opportunity to expand your possibilities. While I would never give up US citizenship, I would gladly emigrate with/for my husband and enjoy all that his country has to offer. I'd just always want the option of coming back... you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel loquacious?' -- well do you, punk? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craichead 0 #11 July 23, 2003 This is what I wonder about -- I'm sure Canada wouldn't mind if I had two passports, but the U.S. has been weird about it. My parents became American citizens (they're originally from Thailand) about four years ago, and they had to "renounce" their Thai citizenship to become U.S. citizens. AndyMan and I think that just about every other nation except the U.S. doesn't force you to renounce your citizenship. I dunno if they have grown up and stopped that nonsense since then...I'd have to look deeper into the prospect. This post/poll was just for sh!ts and giggles. Nothing serious...yet. -P__ "Scared of love, love and aeroplanes...falling out, I said takes no brains." -- Andy Partridge (XTC) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflyfrog 0 #12 July 23, 2003 I recommend going to the State Department's website... Dual Citizenship is frowned upon by the US, for several reasons (not the least of which being tax purposes). I have looked into it myself as I would LOVE to get my Italian citizenship. The thing is (as I understand it) if you SEEK citizenship of another country, you are basically renouncing your US citizenship. I don't know what it's like when marriage gets involved. Again, visit this link for more detailed info: http://www.richw.org/dualcit/ or this: http://www.canada-immigrationlaw.com/BFIS/dualcitizen.php Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craichead 0 #13 July 23, 2003 Cool, thanks for the links, Chris! -P__ "Scared of love, love and aeroplanes...falling out, I said takes no brains." -- Andy Partridge (XTC) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #14 July 23, 2003 Quotehttp://www.richw.org/dualcit/ Great QnA section......Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlueEyedMonster 0 #15 July 23, 2003 Quotethey had to "renounce" their Thai citizenship to become U.S. citizens. The US may require that you renounce your previous citizenship to be a US Citizen. However, you are already a US Citizen. The only one you have to deal with is Canada. And, I don't think they care either...but I didn't look it up. If you travel at all, being a US citizen is often a bonus. At other times it might get ya killed--It would be good to be Canadian in those times. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyIvan 0 #16 July 23, 2003 Quotethey had to "renounce" their Thai citizenship to become U.S. citizens. That's true, but nothing prevent them to get a NEW Thai passport, to get a passport you need proof of citizenship, if you were born in ABC you have an ABC birth certificate, therefore, you can get a passport, what I mean is, basically, if you naturalize to any other country, you have DUAL citizenship.__________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #17 July 23, 2003 Quoteif you SEEK citizenship of another country, you are basically renouncing your US citizenship. Actually, reading the QnA, it doesn not sound like that at all. My understanding is that the only way you may loose your US citizenship is if you renonce it. Unless the country you get your new passport from makes you renounce that citizenship, then you should be able to keep it. And even then, the US may not care about it (ie the new country may see you as a, say, Bulgarian citizen only, but the US may not regard the renoucing as valid since you never renouced it to the US gov)...Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #18 July 23, 2003 QuoteHowever, you are already a US Citizen. The only one you have to deal with is Canada. Wrong. As is posted above, if you actively apply to become citizen of another country (non-active would be parents with dual citizenship or being born overseas, etc.), then you are in effect renouncing US citizenship according to US law. You don't automatically lose it, there's a process to go through, and typically the process is only instigated by somone who wants to formally renounce their citizenship. But the option is always there for the gov't to initiate ex-patriation proceedings. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #19 July 23, 2003 Kev, have a look at the QnA section that was posted before.. my non-lawyer view of it is quite different....Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #20 July 23, 2003 QuoteKev, have a look at the QnA section that was posted before.. my non-lawyer view of it is quite different.... Yeah, you're right, my bad. "The Department has a uniform administrative standard of evidence based on the premise that U.S. citizens intend to retain United States citizenship when they obtain naturalization in a foreign state, subscribe to routine declarations of allegiance to a foreign state, or accept non-policy level employment with a foreign government. " The only way you can lose it is if you renounce it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aero04 0 #21 July 23, 2003 I'm a bit biased on this one, but I would absolutely not, never, ever renounce my American citizenship and become a citizen of another country. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #22 July 23, 2003 Canada is a great country and I am proud to say "I am Canadian eh". But the skydiving in the USA is much better. So stay down south. I dread the day (from a skydiving point of view) where the INS will tell me to get out. Any nice girls want to marry me? Ah heck, you don't even have to be nice, you just need to put up with my skydiving addiction. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #23 July 23, 2003 QuoteI'm a bit biased on this one, but I would absolutely not, never, ever renounce my American citizenship and become a citizen of another country. Good! Canada doenst require you to....Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymama 37 #24 July 23, 2003 Andy lives and earns a living in the US. What would be the point of you becomming a Canadian citizen? Is he planning on moving back there at some time?She is Da Man, and you better not mess with Da Man, because she will lay some keepdown on you faster than, well, really fast. ~Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craichead 0 #25 July 23, 2003 Well, I know that he wants to go back to Canada eventually. If he does, I hope I'm going with him! Recently I've been joking that I want to move to Canada...NOW. Every time I visit, the more I love it. It seems that the more I joke about moving there and then think about actually doing it, the less it becomes a joke... -P__ "Scared of love, love and aeroplanes...falling out, I said takes no brains." -- Andy Partridge (XTC) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
