Remster 30 #26 July 23, 2003 Quotenever before seen panty tricks!! uhhhh!!!!!???? Now Rev, you just have to go and upload the video to skydivingmovies.........Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RevJim 0 #27 July 23, 2003 QuoteQuotenever before seen panty tricks!! uhhhh!!!!!???? Now Rev, you just have to go and upload the video to skydivingmovies......... I posted still last year! Video this year? Maybe..... It's your life, live it! Karma RB#684 "Corcho", ASK#60, Muff#3520, NCB#398, NHDZ#4, C-33989, DG#1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #28 July 23, 2003 QuoteOnly because I've seen many long threads on the subject where dozens of folks offer differing opinions and advice and then someone else completely disagrees :-) Different things work for different people. People suffereing from depression need to find what works best for each of them. Its between them, their doctor, and their higher power. Suggestions are great as long as they are taken with a grain of salt and not accepted as gospel. Not only will some not work for some folks, but some might actually be harmful. Arguments about them are useless and help nobody. I could say the same thing about the RSL debate; the WL debate; the pick-up line debate. And I agree - what works for one person may not work for another...what resolves the issues for you may not begin to touch the issues for me. And what works for me may actually cause great harm for others. What works for you may kill me. But why shouldn't we continue to discuss it? I don't mean flaming, namecalling, that sort of thing...but a real discussion, which may create some value for folks who we will never hear from, never even know...I don't see how that's wasteful. I've also realized that there are a lot of people who don't understand the difference between depression, situational depression and clinical depression, and just general blues. And because of this, I think that education, discussion, and restrained debate might prove useful. But that's just my .02... Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #29 July 23, 2003 Quotethe difference between depression, a lull in what your used to . situational depression some call it work and clinical depression, some people are chemically unbalanced its not their fault they are depressed and NEED meds and just general blues. creates GREAT MUSICMy photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Laurel 0 #30 July 23, 2003 "never before seen panty tricks!!" I've never seen panty tricks - but I have seen panties off tricks. i.e. - when Ben can stick an empty beer bottle to a flat wall using nothing like glue, etc - that is a panties off trick. When this bartender lit my cigarette with his index finger - that was a panties off trick...................................................................... PMS#28, Pelogrande Rodriguez#1074 My Pink M Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blahr 0 #31 July 23, 2003 Quote Ciels- Michele No, you have made a good investment for your .02 I agree about reasonable discussion. Its the ones where people start claiming that THIER way is "the one" or telling other people that their treatments are wrong, silly, or ineffective. They are counterproductive and make some folks upset. As far as open reasonable discussions and suggestions, I'm all for it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #32 July 23, 2003 QuoteFYI, hard physical workouts are a good "natural" treatment for depression if you dont like taking meds. Hooraaaay!!!!!!!!! I agree... Or people can take Metaba-I-want-a-lazy-life356 or something? lol Rhino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #33 July 23, 2003 QuoteAnd I agree - what works for one person may not work for another...what resolves the issues for you may not begin to touch the issues for me. And what works for me may actually cause great harm for others. What works for you may kill me. Yep.. But an open mind is great. The mind is like a parachute. If you don't open it it won't work. You going to the wffc Michelle? Rhino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kiltboy 0 #34 July 23, 2003 Just tagging on to the clinical depression theme. It's possible that other medication can cause a chemical imbalance that leads to clinical depression. From the experience of one close to me I will not be taking Lariam (anti-malaria treatment) ever. I'd rather have malaria. David Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #35 July 23, 2003 QuoteIts the ones where people start claiming that THIER way is "the one" or telling other people that their treatments are wrong, silly, or ineffective. They are counterproductive and make some folks upset. Well, yes. But if one allows for other experiences, other real things, then one can begin to develop the conversation towards the end of productivity rather than destruction. QuoteAs far as open reasonable discussions and suggestions, I'm all for it. What happens, I think, and from what my experience has been, is that people still have a stigma about depression, and other sorts of mental and emotional illnesses. It's not touchable, you don't bleed and have to be run to the ER (unless a suicide attempt is made). Oftentimes the sufferer will not talk about it until they are in crisis, or after they have made a suicide attempt. It's easy to spot a femur break; far less easy to spot a mindbreak...even by the sufferer. There is a signifcant reluctance to talk about depression and what it really is, because of the condemnation they get. It is very easy for someone who doesn't understand to say "cheer up!", when that's not what it's about at all...and the reverberation of something like that, over years, intensifies the illness to a point where on top of all else, the feelings of failure and inadequacy become overwhelming. If a person has cancer, we as a whole go out of our way to help them. We will give time, energy, support to them without question. We will go to their home and cook them meals, drive them to chemo, and hug them more than ever before. When a person has depression, we shun them. We tell them to "cheer up!". We don't care if they've eaten, slept, or bathed. We reject them, we push them away. We isolate them. And we make fun of them. We condemn them for taking medication. We treat them like they're icky...weak. What's wrong with this picture? It is an illness, as real and as life threatening as cancer. It is true. And that's the debate I would like to see. QuoteYou going to the wffc Michelle? Nope, not this year. [sad] Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sunshine 2 #36 July 23, 2003 QuoteWhen a person has depression, we shun them. We tell them to "cheer up!". We don't care if they've eaten, slept, or bathed. We reject them, we push them away. We isolate them. And we make fun of them. We condemn them for taking medication. We treat them like they're icky...weak. Sad, but true. ___________________________________________ meow I get a Mike hug! I get a Mike hug! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slowfaller 0 #37 July 23, 2003 Thank you for putting that into words Michelle, I think you've nailed it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #38 July 23, 2003 QuoteWhen a person has depression, we shun them. We tell them to "cheer up!". We don't care if they've eaten, slept, or bathed. We reject them, we push them away. We isolate them. Nope I tell them to look in the mirror and SMILE Rhino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slowfaller 0 #39 July 23, 2003 Smile for what? Same as saying, "cheer up" --"Someday you will die and somehow somethings going to steal your carbon" -MM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #40 July 23, 2003 QuoteNope I tell them to look in the mirror and SMILE Rhino, serious question here. What are the symptoms of depression? Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #41 July 23, 2003 miche, which sort of depression are you asking about? NONclinical depression (IN MY MIND) starts from boredom/shiftlessnessMy photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sinker 0 #42 July 23, 2003 nonclinical depression.... well, there really isn't such a thing... there are adjustment disorders, where life-stressors occur and the person has difficulty adjusting to them, often by "gettin the blues." This is usually considered a reaction to stressors that is just outside the realm of normal. there is dysthymia, which is considered a "minor" depression, one which could have been caused by a life stressor but is lasting for a LONGER period of time than what would "normally" occur in an adjustment d/o. then there are various stages of actual depression, ranging for single episode, mild moderate and severe, to recurrent depressions, mild moderate and severe, and then severe depression with or without psychotic features (yes, some people who are very depressed have hallucinations and/or delusions). -the artist formerly known as sinker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #43 July 23, 2003 QuoteWhat are the symptoms of depression? Simple.. Real life... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #44 July 23, 2003 QuoteSimple.. Real life... Because you believe that "real life" is a symptom of depression, then of course smiling will work for you. So have fun, share a coke and a smile, and best of everything to you and yours. You'll not ever be plagued by the reality of depression. For those who have an understanding of depression and it's effects, though, your answer can be construed as flip, insincere, incredibly naive, and significantly uninformed. So I would suggest you take some time, read up on what depression is and is not, and then re-evaluate your response. I am always up to reopening the conversation when it is, as stated earlier, reasonable and non-flaming. Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #45 July 23, 2003 The definition you seek is different around every corner. Depending on who you talk to you will get a multitude of different answers. Their is no blanket answer. The best I could answer is real life. Real life gets people depressed. And I don't have to currently be depressed to know what I am talking about. As the post stated that was deleted in the womans forum I HAVE BEEN THERE and understand depression and it's symptoms as well as anyone on here does. Answer your own question if you will. Anyone on here could have an opinion and disagree with your symptoms. Rhino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #46 July 23, 2003 QuoteTheir is no blanket answer And that's exactly what I am addressing. There is no blanket answer. Do you agree that depression has been conclusively linked to seratonin, norepinephine and dopamine? Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vallerina 2 #47 July 23, 2003 Hey, Rob! Quick question....do you view other disorders of the mind in a similar fashion? How do you think schizophrenics should be treated or people with Alzheimer's?There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sinker 0 #48 July 23, 2003 QuoteThe definition you seek is different around every corner. Depending on who you talk to you will get a multitude of different answers. Their is no blanket answer. The best I could answer is real life. Real life gets people depressed. What you say is only partially true. Yes, different people experience depression in different ways. HOWEVER, among the thousands and thousands of people who have suffered from depression, doctors and researchers have delineated a cluster of signs and symptoms, including temporal relationships and severity of symptoms, that constitutes the mental illness of depression. What we're talking about here is the medical construct of depression. Depression as a disease, not "feelings" that come on someone as a result of "real life." There is NO disagreement on the symptoms that make up clinical depression. They are experienced to different degrees/severities and one person may not have some of the symptoms that another has, but universally the symptoms of true depression are just that... universal. EVERYONE gets "depressed" and "sad". Like you say, Rhino, it's part of life. And everyone experiences it and responds to it differently. But THAT is NOT depression! QuoteI HAVE BEEN THERE and understand depression and it's symptoms as well as anyone on here does. Not knowing you in person, I can't deny you haven't been seriously, clinically depressed. HOWEVER, you stating that you understand it as well as anyone on here is quite a cocky statement. I have been in the darkest of depressions, esp. since my wife's diagnosis. However, I've talked to others here who have clearly gone deeper and darker than I have. I cannot even PRETEND to understand it on their level. I'd venture to say that if you HAD such experience/understanding, your opinions and attitudes about this topic might be different. -the artist formerly known as sinker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sinker 0 #49 July 23, 2003 QuoteQuick question....do you view other disorders of the mind in a similar fashion? How do you think schizophrenics should be treated or people with Alzheimer's? thanks for re-asking this question. how incredibly frightening it would be for the schizophrenic as well as for the rest of society if they stopped their zyprexa or their risperdol or their haldol. how incredibly cruel it would be for us to say to them, instead of smiling in the mirror to cure your sadness, just look yourself in the mirror and say "I AM NOT JESUS!" "ALIENS ARE NOT SENDING ME MESSAGES THROUGH THE TV!" In Rhino's defense, some depression CAN be altered, changed, even remitted through methods other than through medication. After all, the mind is an incredibly strong thing. However, we really need to be able to distinguish WHEN meds are the right thing to take and WHEN they are not. -the artist formerly known as sinker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #50 July 23, 2003 QuoteDo you agree that depression has been conclusively linked to seratonin, norepinephine and dopamine? I'll take your word for it.. I know depression is linked to ones focus. Repeated thoughts and or behavioral patterns. Among hundreds of other things that can and will effect those chemicals you mentioned.. Rhino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
