TEB6363 0 #1 July 18, 2003 I just thought this was kind of interesting... Not trying to piss off any body... It's supposed to be more like the video where a cartoon guy said "Bill Gates will NOT send 3 cents to a child dying of Cancer for every e-mail you write.....". So, here is the Bill of "NO Rights"..: THE BILL OF NO RIGHTS We, the sensible people of the United States, in an attempt to help everyone get along, restore some resemblance of justice, avoid any more riots, keep our nation safe, promote positive behavior, and secure the blessings of debt-free liberty to ourselves and our great-great-great-grandchildren, hereby try one more time to ordain and establish some common sense guidelines for the terminally whiny, guilt-ridden, delusional. We hold these truths to be self-evident: that a whole lot of people are confused by the Bill of Rights and are so dim that they require a "Bill of NO Rights." ARTICLE I: You do not have the right to a new car, big screen TV or any other form of wealth. More power to you if you can legally acquire them, but no one is guaranteeing anything. ARTICLE II: You do not have the right to never be offended. This country is based on freedom, and that means freedom for everyone -- not just you! You may leave the room, turn the channel, express a different opinion, etc., but the world is full of idiots, and probably always will be ... and like the rest of us you need to simply deal with it. ARTICLE III: You do not have the right to be free from harm. If you stick a screwdriver in your eye, learn to be more careful; do not expect the tool manufacturer to make you and all your relatives independently wealthy by telling them they didn't warn you not to stick the screwdriver in your eye. ARTICLE IV: You do not have the right to free food and housing. Americans are the most charitable people to be found, and will gladly help anyone in need, but we are quickly growing weary of subsidizing generation after generation of professional couch potatoes who achieve nothing more than the creation of another generation of professional couch potatoes. ARTICLE V: You do not have the right to free health care. That would be nice, but from the looks of public housing, we should be wary of public health care or public anything. ARTICLE VI: You do not have the right to physically harm other people. If you kidnap, rape, intentionally maim, or kill someone, don't be surprised if the rest of us want to see you fry in the electric chair (yes, capital punishment). ARTICLE VII: You do not have the right to the possessions of others. If you rob, cheat or coerce away the goods or services of other citizens, don't be surprised if the rest of us get together and lock you away in a place where you still won't have the right to a big screen color TV, pool tables, weight rooms or a life of leisure. ARTICLE VIII: You don't have the right to a job. All of us sure want you to have a job, and will gladly help you along in hard times, but we expect you to take advantage of the opportunities of part time jobs, education and vocational training laid before you to make yourself useful. ARTICLE IX: You do not have the right to happiness. Being an American means that you have the right to PURSUE happiness--which by the way, is a lot easier if you are not encumbered by an overabundance of idiotic laws created by those of you who were confused by the Bill of Rights. ARTICLE X: This is an English speaking country. We don't care where you are from. We welcome you here. English is our language and like the one you left behind, we also have a culture. Learn it or go back to the country and the living conditions you were fleeing. Once the plane takes off, you're gonna have to land - Might as well jump out!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
andy2 0 #2 July 18, 2003 [QUOTE]Americans are the most charitable people to be found[/QUOTE] What the fuck is this guy smoking? --------------------------------------------- let my inspiration flow, in token rhyme suggesting rhythm... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #3 July 18, 2003 Being the good Leftist Libertarian I am... according to the website found on Tontos thread I think this is a good common sense approach to life here. It might be less than a socialist agenda.. but damn I want people to succeed on their own. The resources are out there IF you look... it takes effort...WORK Amazon Leaving on my well earned freakin vacation because I work too freakin hard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,114 #4 July 18, 2003 >This is an English speaking country. We don't care where you are from. Ah yes, the conservative viewpoint - us and "them," rather than just US. The problems are always with those damn foreigners. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #5 July 18, 2003 Sounds good to ME! (Ok, well maybe the "speaking only English" bit is a little harsh, but everything else makes perfect sense ;-) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuteless 1 #6 July 18, 2003 be glad your not posting that thread in Canada...you'd have to do it in French as well. In case you didnt know it, we are a multicultural, multilingual and multi screwed up country...also multi taxed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FliegendeWolf 0 #7 July 22, 2003 QuoteARTICLE VI: You do not have the right to physically harm other people. If you kidnap, rape, intentionally maim, or kill someone, don't be surprised if the rest of us want to see you fry in the electric chair (yes, capital punishment). Sooo... you don't have the right to harm other people, but we have the right to harm you?A One that Isn't Cold is Scarcely a One at All Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #8 July 22, 2003 What is it that you don't understand? IF, IF IF, you harm someone expect the same."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #9 July 22, 2003 Quotebe glad your not posting that thread in Canada...you'd have to do it in French as well. In case you didnt know it, we are a multicultural, multilingual and multi screwed up country...also multi taxed. And also a lot more accepting of other cultures. But I guess you see that as a negative too....Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FliegendeWolf 0 #10 July 22, 2003 Ohhhh...I get it. So an eye for an eye, eh? And here I thought this country was run on fundamentalist Christian values. So it's old testament morality, then? Great! Cause I know a few women who need their hands cut off.A One that Isn't Cold is Scarcely a One at All Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #11 July 22, 2003 Oh, well, I guess you are looking for a particular religious book that fits you the best. But I think you are missing the point of a good joke."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FliegendeWolf 0 #12 July 22, 2003 And I think you missed my point. The previous post was a sarcastic jab at right-wing double-standards. I ask you this: Are all human lives equally valuable? If they are, then it is hypocritical to claim that the right to live only extends to some. If they are not, then I wonder what human being has the authority to judge between the valuable lives and the worthless lives. Do you? In short, what sense does it make to send the message that killing a human being is morally wrong by killing a human being? I expect you to respond as you did in an earlier post: you'll disclaim the debate by arguing "It was just a joke." Let me therefore assure you that I do understand that it was posted as a joke. This doesn't mean that there isn't anything worth debating in it. A One that Isn't Cold is Scarcely a One at All Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbrown 26 #13 July 22, 2003 Hey, the man said he didn't mean to piss anybody off. I'm not pissed off. In fact for a hippie dippie liberal, I kinda like it. I got all the groovy touchy feely ideals in the world, but I really am tired of assholes who want to glide through life on my shoulders. As for English only, I've got a lot of respect for a lot of people here in California who speak English very well, in addition to their Spanish or Vietnamese, or whatever. Makes me wonder if white folks aren't a little lazy themselves about all that English. But uh, seriously, we are an American culture and we do have a language, and people who refuse to speak it, and they exist, need to re-think the issue. Maybe whether or not we even like this Bill of NO Rights, it's a very accurate little piece that sums up our national mood. Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #14 July 22, 2003 QuoteAnd I think you missed my point. The previous post was a sarcastic jab at right-wing double-standards. I ask you this: Are all human lives equally valuable? If they are, then it is hypocritical to claim that the right to live only extends to some. If they are not, then I wonder what human being has the authority to judge between the valuable lives and the worthless lives. Do you? In short, what sense does it make to send the message that killing a human being is morally wrong by killing a human being? no they are not. 'value' is a personal judgment, valuable for what? to whom? do you value the life of an unknown woman in aisa as much as you value your mother, sister, wife? who has the authority? anyone, everyone every moment makes decisions about who to help and who not to, who to save and who to let drown. Anyones right to live is sacred, until it becomes a choice between one life or another..then the true 'value' of those lives is exposed in sharp relief. an extreme example. a man has a gun pointed at your wife, you have a gun pointed at him. Do you shoot him (hypothetically we assume that he will shoot if you do not) ? right then you are deciding that the life of your wife is more valuable than the life of the man.. the 'value' of any particular life is relative to the observer and the circumstances. pun intended____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #15 July 22, 2003 QuoteWhat is it that you don't understand? IF, IF IF, you harm someone expect the same. Yup - isn't it great to be in the same club as Sudan, Iran, N. Korea, China and Saudi Arabia when it comes to executions. No way we'd want to be like the rest of the Western World.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #16 July 23, 2003 Tell that to the soldiers that are now serving the US>....."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #17 July 23, 2003 QuoteBeing the good Leftist Libertarian I am... . That's a bit of an oxymoron osn't it? So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumprunner 0 #18 July 23, 2003 QuoteQuotebe glad your not posting that thread in Canada...you'd have to do it in French as well. In case you didnt know it, we are a multicultural, multilingual and multi screwed up country...also multi taxed. And also a lot more accepting of other cultures. But I guess you see that as a negative too.... Since youre so accepting, maybe youd like to take Jesse Jackson and Louis Farakhan off our hands... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumprunner 0 #19 July 23, 2003 Quote but I really am tired of assholes who want to glide through life on my shoulders. Yea, I could use some of my own money too. In response to the above posts...I think a lot of people are just fed up with having to pay for the lifesytle of other people when they can barely pay their own bills, then being told they are living too good enough of a life and they need to cough up even more money since they have such "wonderful" lives and everyone else is "suffering". Then we are expected to feel sorry for the ones who break in our houses, kill our families, steal what we've worked all our lives for. We're expected to give up our property without any compensation, and we're expected to believe this is fair. We keep less and lesser amounts of what we work for, but the cost of living keeps going up and up, but we still feel lucky we have a job (assuming we have one) in an economy that cant hold its own. Is this really a "free country"? Well, I keep seeing my constitutional rights being diminished as if the Constitution itself were a meaningless document, I cant go where I want anytime I want, I cant buy another car without the fear of being taxed heavily on it, I cant manage the cost of living without going into debt. But this is freedom, and this is what we are expected to fight for. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TitaniumLegs 8 #20 July 23, 2003 Quote a man has a gun pointed at your wife, you have a gun pointed at him. Do you shoot him (hypothetically we assume that he will shoot if you do not) ? right then you are deciding that the life of your wife is more valuable than the life of the man.. There is also the distinct probability that after shooting the wife he will then turn his gun on someone else, given that he has already shown a disregard for the value of human life. Taking him out probably saves more than one other life. Take the argument that all lives are equally valuable and apply it to him. He is taking a life, probably for a lesser reason than to save another. Those are two reasons why I would pull the trigger on him no matter whose wife it was. (>o|-< If you don't believe me, ask me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #21 July 23, 2003 Me 2. No doubts. Most likely he would never be able to be a police officer or served the military in his life time. I would defend my family, people, any time any place."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumprunner 0 #22 July 23, 2003 Quote>This is an English speaking country. We don't care where you are from. Ah yes, the conservative viewpoint - us and "them," rather than just US. The problems are always with those damn foreigners. "those damn foreigners" seems to be a relative term, depending on where youre at. For instance, when I go accross the border I have to press myself to speak Spanish since no one there has the patience with someone who speaks English. But thats okay, because Im nothing but a damn American who should be more sympathetic to those damn foreigners in my country who dont speak English. Hey, wouldnt it be nice, if our wives were pregnant, we could just run accross the border and have someone elses government foot the bill? Ever seen that nice hefty Medicare withholding on your paycheck stub? Its funny how some people cant afford to have medical insurance through their company, or otherwise, yet theyre still stuck with having to pay for someone else's medical care. Oh, and um, dont forget, youre still expected to feel sorry for them. I hope this wasnt tooo conservative... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #23 July 23, 2003 Quote Quote We, the sensible people of the United States, in an attempt to help everyone get along, Uh Huh. Well if they'd all just listen to us!! I mean Damn...Get a clue! Quote hereby try one more time to ordain and establish some common sense guidelines for the terminally whiny, guilt-ridden, delusional. Is this a referance to the french? Quote You do not have the right to a new car, big screen TV or any other form of wealth. More power to you if you can legally acquire them, but no one is guaranteeing anything. And just why is it that this is even an issue? I mean is there really a mentality out there that would even entertain the attitude that they should not have to work. And if there is... where did they get the idea? Quote You do not have the right to never be offended. This country is based on freedom, and that means freedom for everyone. So does this mean that I have to become a liberal? Quote You do not have the right to be free from harm. If you stick a screwdriver in your eye, learn to be more careful; do not expect the tool manufacturer to make you and all your relatives independently wealthy by telling them they didn't warn you not to stick the screwdriver in your eye. I do think that acoupla mill is a little high to be paying for some spilled coffee. Come on! Like he didn't know he was ordering "Hot Coffee". I say that if he is so f--king stupid as to put it in his lap...If you're gonna be dumb... Quote You do not have the right to free food and housing. Americans are the most charitable people to be found, Simple addition....look at the accounting sheet - it's not hard to add - What was the TOTAL DOLLAR AMOUNT compared to all other individual countries donated? Quote You do not have the right to free health care. That would be nice, but from the looks of public housing, we should be wary of public health care or public anything. BINGO! Quote You do not have the right to physically harm other people. If you kidnap, rape, intentionally maim, or kill someone, don't be surprised if the rest of us want to see you fry in the electric chair (yes, capital punishment). OK, extreme? Yes! But rightly so. Perhaps if we let our country clubs...oh, I mean prisons actually deter these criminals from commiting crimes....DUH!!! If they were true prisons! Hard labor! Make it a bad place to go instead of a vacation. Quote You do not have the right to happiness. Being an American means that you have the right to PURSUE happiness. Yep! No one can make you happy. You have to do this all on your own. Try helping others...it does the trick for me. Ok, so the whole english speaking thing was a little overboard...but 9 out of 10 isn't bad. But we could all just drop the grading score a little more and perhaps the requirements as well and make it look even better than it is.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jumprunner 0 #24 July 23, 2003 QuoteQuote Quote You do not have the right to happiness. Being an American means that you have the right to PURSUE happiness. Yep! No one can make you happy. You have to do this all on your own. Try helping others...it does the trick for me. Pardon my intrusion here, but I was thinking more in the line of say 5 good looking blondes strapping me down and jumping on top of me. Well, each to his own. I have this sudden craving for French vanilla ice cream... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FliegendeWolf 0 #25 July 25, 2003 Quotewho has the authority? anyone, everyone every moment makes decisions about who to help and who not to, who to save and who to let drown. Anyones right to live is sacred, until it becomes a choice between one life or another..then the true 'value' of those lives is exposed in sharp relief. ... the 'value' of any particular life is relative to the observer and the circumstances. pun intended I agree with you, Zenister. I only hope that when we are judging the value of human lives, we bear in mind just how subjective we are being. We are placing a judgment on the worth of another life. Their relative worth or worthlessness is not inherent. So I am highly mistrustful of rhetoric of good vs. evil, and especially rhetoric that claims our right to murder others because we are "good" and they are "evil" as though these terms were concretely defined. 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jumprunner 0 #24 July 23, 2003 QuoteQuote Quote You do not have the right to happiness. Being an American means that you have the right to PURSUE happiness. Yep! No one can make you happy. You have to do this all on your own. Try helping others...it does the trick for me. Pardon my intrusion here, but I was thinking more in the line of say 5 good looking blondes strapping me down and jumping on top of me. Well, each to his own. I have this sudden craving for French vanilla ice cream... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FliegendeWolf 0 #25 July 25, 2003 Quotewho has the authority? anyone, everyone every moment makes decisions about who to help and who not to, who to save and who to let drown. Anyones right to live is sacred, until it becomes a choice between one life or another..then the true 'value' of those lives is exposed in sharp relief. ... the 'value' of any particular life is relative to the observer and the circumstances. pun intended I agree with you, Zenister. I only hope that when we are judging the value of human lives, we bear in mind just how subjective we are being. We are placing a judgment on the worth of another life. Their relative worth or worthlessness is not inherent. So I am highly mistrustful of rhetoric of good vs. evil, and especially rhetoric that claims our right to murder others because we are "good" and they are "evil" as though these terms were concretely defined. They are not.A One that Isn't Cold is Scarcely a One at All Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
FliegendeWolf 0 #25 July 25, 2003 Quotewho has the authority? anyone, everyone every moment makes decisions about who to help and who not to, who to save and who to let drown. Anyones right to live is sacred, until it becomes a choice between one life or another..then the true 'value' of those lives is exposed in sharp relief. ... the 'value' of any particular life is relative to the observer and the circumstances. pun intended I agree with you, Zenister. I only hope that when we are judging the value of human lives, we bear in mind just how subjective we are being. We are placing a judgment on the worth of another life. Their relative worth or worthlessness is not inherent. So I am highly mistrustful of rhetoric of good vs. evil, and especially rhetoric that claims our right to murder others because we are "good" and they are "evil" as though these terms were concretely defined. They are not.A One that Isn't Cold is Scarcely a One at All Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
