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Remster 30
Quotewhat will happen when machines are truly able to think?
Considering who built them, they'll prabaly show up late for work and get drunk....
Remster
[replywhat will happen when machines are truly able to think?
Depends on one BIG thing... was the programmer a democrat or a republican?
OK my turn....
First point:
Why send back a T-x when the t-1000 was much more formidable? The t-x was sort of a combination of the 2 terminators--liquid metal over a metal skeleton. none of what hurt the t-x would have hurt the t-1000.
second: why do the terminators have such terrible aim?
third: If the t-x is so much more advanced, why does she not make sure arnie is dead when she steps on his head? she implants him with those nanomachines, but how is he able to resist them? i would think that if the t-x is a much more advanced model than the t-800, she would have the knowledge and capability to completely take over and destroy the t-800.
aside from that, i hated how the movie completely discarded the carefully laid out plot from the first 2 movies.....but i gotta get back to work now so i can elaborate on that later...
tomas
First point:
Why send back a T-x when the t-1000 was much more formidable? The t-x was sort of a combination of the 2 terminators--liquid metal over a metal skeleton. none of what hurt the t-x would have hurt the t-1000.
second: why do the terminators have such terrible aim?
third: If the t-x is so much more advanced, why does she not make sure arnie is dead when she steps on his head? she implants him with those nanomachines, but how is he able to resist them? i would think that if the t-x is a much more advanced model than the t-800, she would have the knowledge and capability to completely take over and destroy the t-800.
aside from that, i hated how the movie completely discarded the carefully laid out plot from the first 2 movies.....but i gotta get back to work now so i can elaborate on that later...
tomas
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Quote[replywhat will happen when machines are truly able to think?
Depends on one BIG thing... was the programmer a democrat or a republican?
Well if they're programmed by democrats or republicans they probably won't be able to think for themselves at all!
(Sorry, I couldn't resist ;-)
Remster's probably right that they'll just start drinking and showing up late for work... (it'll be a world filled with robots like that one on "Futurama")
QuoteRemster's probably right that they'll just start drinking and showing up late for work... (it'll be a world filled with robots like that one on "Futurama")
You really think they will model the first machines after skydivers? Cool. If you can't fill a load... get some bots to come!!
Hmmm I don't know. Were all the t-1000's in the shop that day?QuoteOK my turn....
First point:
Why send back a T-x when the t-1000 was much more formidable?
Would the movie be any fun if it was one shot per brainstem?Quotesecond: why do the terminators have such terrible aim?
Because then the movie would be over?Quotethird: If the t-x is so much more advanced, why does she not make sure arnie is dead when she steps on his head?
QuoteHmmm I don't know. Were all the t-1000's in the shop that day?QuoteOK my turn....
First point:
Why send back a T-x when the t-1000 was much more formidable?Would the movie be any fun if it was one shot per brainstem?Quotesecond: why do the terminators have such terrible aim?
Because then the movie would be over?Quotethird: If the t-x is so much more advanced, why does she not make sure arnie is dead when she steps on his head?
Good answers; I agree 100%...
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Harksaw 0
Radical? be careful... The plot is based on the very real, but future possibility that the machines we build will one day become self aware and take over.
Computers and machines can never do anything they have not been programmed to do. This does not leave out the possibility of some nutcase programming a machine to kill people and try to take over the world.
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Zenister 0
QuoteHmmm I don't know. Were all the t-1000's in the shop that day?QuoteOK my turn....
First point:
Why send back a T-x when the t-1000 was much more formidable?Would the movie be any fun if it was one shot per brainstem?Quotesecond: why do the terminators have such terrible aim?
Because then the movie would be over?Quotethird: If the t-x is so much more advanced, why does she not make sure arnie is dead when she steps on his head?
yeah we cant expect them to just write the plot so it doenst have such gaping holes can you?? that might take effort and consume some of the effects budget to hire competent writers
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Zenister 0
QuoteRadical? be careful... The plot is based on the very real, but future possibility that the machines we build will one day become self aware and take over.
Computers and machines can never do anything they have not been programmed to do. This does not leave out the possibility of some nutcase programming a machine to kill people and try to take over the world.
not true we are getting closer and closer to writing programs that can write their own code to deal with situations not covered otherwise.. thats what AI is all about..if at some point any machine becomes 'aware' there is really no telling how it might react.
a good story to read would be Harlan Ellison's "I have no mouth but i must scream"
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QuoteComputers and machines can never do anything they have not been programmed to do. This does not leave out the possibility of some nutcase programming a machine to kill people and try to take over the world.
Dude, READ THE NEWS. Self-Aware computers are coming VERY soon... Computers that are capable of learning and modifying their own programming are beginning to happen now. "Self repairing" code is currently becoming reality. In fact that is one of the "features" of MS Server 2003.
Now... go into the future, with a computer that has nuclear weapons at its disposal, humans can logically become a threat to this computer; and the rest is the stuff movies are made from.
Maybe some day it will be the NEWS.
Shotgun 1
QuoteComputers and machines can never do anything they have not been programmed to do.
Never say never...
Chivo 0
Books by Isaac Asimov mention the fundamental laws of robotics. There's one book called 'I Robot', that shows different scenarios of what would/could happen if the priorities of those fundamental laws are changed.
Back to topic - T3... movie was ok, but I wasn't that impressed with it. As a sci-fi, it didn't do a good job to keep the 'reality' of the fiction in the movie. For me, a good movie (specially sci-fi) must be able to maintain that feeling that everything based on a few false presuptions (self-aware robots, time/space travel, etc), can become real. And, while no movie is perfect, this movie failed miserably. I'd suggest renting the DVD when available.
~Chivo
Back to topic - T3... movie was ok, but I wasn't that impressed with it. As a sci-fi, it didn't do a good job to keep the 'reality' of the fiction in the movie. For me, a good movie (specially sci-fi) must be able to maintain that feeling that everything based on a few false presuptions (self-aware robots, time/space travel, etc), can become real. And, while no movie is perfect, this movie failed miserably. I'd suggest renting the DVD when available.
~Chivo
how come the tx and 1000 can travel back in time at all when they have no living tissue?
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Quotehow come the tx and 1000 can travel back in time at all when they have no living tissue?
I don't know... Do you need to have living tissue to travel back in time??? Does that mean *I* can travel back in time??? Sweet!!!
(Actually I don't even believe that time travel is possible at all - but ya never know... Anyhow, I go to movies to *escape* reality ;-)
QuoteComputers and machines can never do anything they have not been programmed to do.
I know it's been replied to already, but some of the code that I am working on (right now in fact) is supposed to do just that - be able to change the way it works based on what the other software around it is doing. Yes it is programmed to do this, but the idea is for it to be able to "think" on its own.
There is also buggy code - most of the time when software crashes, it wasn't actually programmed to do that...
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bigben 0
QuoteQuoteShe can't turn the steering wheel, since she's not telekinetic. Steering wheels require force to operate, they have no electronic parts.
edited to add: I couldn't suspend disbelief enough to believe she was telekinetic.
The steering wheels turn by themselves on the cars that GM is developing to drive themselves based on sensors implanted in the roads. All you need is some type of wireless/satellite network connections (similar to OnStar) for a central computer to locate a specific vehicle take over... and steer. Its not that far fetched, and will be possible in the near future. Can't you just wait until the police actually "help" you pull over? no more high speed chases.
I totally understand that it's possible to control a car remotely, just like it is pretty much anything you can think of. A central premise of the terminator movies is that humans gave computers too much control over machines. Therefore, I can suspend disbelief enough to believe the t-x can control any electronicly controled device, but not a steering wheel on a crown victoria, it's mechanical. Now, if they were in the experimental GM lab, and it was a concept car that had electronic steering, well that'd be different.
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Hey, I am no techno geek, I just go to movies for escapism as well. I was just pointing out one of the more glaring plot holes from both t2 an 3... Supposedly (from the first movie), only machines with some living skin and stuff (like Arnie) can go back through time....
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Quote... but not a steering wheel on a crown victoria, it's mechanical. Now, if they were in the experimental GM lab, and it was a concept car that had electronic steering, well that'd be different.
-Ben
Ok So you have to use your imagination a bit. Oh well.
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QuoteHey, I am no techno geek, I just go to movies for escapism as well. I was just pointing out one of the more glaring plot holes from both t2 an 3... Supposedly (from the first movie), only machines with some living skin and stuff (like Arnie) can go back through time....
Ah, I see what you're saying (sorry I misunderstood you)...
Guess I've killed too many brain cells since the first movie to remember that!
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