quade 4 #1 August 6, 2003 Faith-based prison reform. http://slate.msn.com/id/2086617/quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #2 August 6, 2003 Grrrr.... I've tried really hard to like George W., but all this "God" stuff is just pissing me off! I don't care if he chooses to be religious himself, but religion of any nature has NO business in the government of our country! And as for the prisoners, I think what they need is counseling - not having "God" shoved down their throats (unless of course they are Christian and prefer that sort of counseling)... Sorry to vent, but it has really been bothering me lately the way he blatantly ignores "separation of church and state"... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DYEVOUT 0 #3 August 6, 2003 QuoteI don't care if he chooses to be religious himself, but religion of any nature has NO business in the government of our country! Wow, things certainly have changed since we were "One Nation, Under God". . . . . . . . Sad, really (IMHO) ----------------=8^)---------------------- "I think that was the wrong tennis court." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #4 August 6, 2003 Not to bring up really old stuff, but, um, the "under God" phrase was added well after the pledge had been introduced. The original "Pledge" had nothing to do with religion at all! No mention of God whatsoever. The phrase was added in 1954 because of a bizarre push by the Knights of Columbus to make a distinction between "US" and the "Communists". See http://history.vineyard.net/pledge.htmquade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #5 August 6, 2003 QuoteQuoteI don't care if he chooses to be religious himself, but religion of any nature has NO business in the government of our country! Wow, things certainly have changed since we were "One Nation, Under God". . . . . . . . Sad, really (IMHO) Speaking of that, the "Pledge of Allegiance" is unconstitutional as well. (Haven't they had that taken out of schools now, or at least taken out the "under God" part of it???) Quite a few people in this country either do no believe in "God" or believe in a different type of god than the Christians do - that is why religion has no place in the government of our country. I'm not saying that people shouldn't be religious, I'm just saying it doesn't belong in the government... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Push 0 #6 August 6, 2003 I'm getting flashbacks to A Clockwork Orange, inmate number 6655321. -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #7 August 6, 2003 QuoteNot to bring up really old stuff, but, um, the "under God" phrase was added well after the pledge had been introduced. The original "Pledge" had noting to do with religion at all! No mention of God whatsoever. The phrase was added in 1954 because of a bizarre push by the Knights of Columbus to make a distinction between "US" and the "Communists". See http://history.vineyard.net/pledge.htm That's an interesting story... It's interesting how he chose to leave "equality" out because of women and African-Americans... Oh well, at least we've come a long way since then. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites b1jercat 0 #8 August 6, 2003 Duck and cover. blues jerry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DYEVOUT 0 #9 August 6, 2003 QuoteQuite a few people in this country either do no believe in "God" or believe in a different type of god than the Christians do - that is why religion has no place in the government of our country. I'm not saying that people shouldn't be religious, I'm just saying it doesn't belong in the government... Henceforth all government officials shall be athiests? Our government is made up of people, many of which believe in a higher power - and have that right. This country was not founded by godless men - OOPS !! - godless people, oh - never mind. We shall agree to disagree on this one. ----------------=8^)---------------------- "I think that was the wrong tennis court." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Shotgun 1 #10 August 6, 2003 QuoteHenceforth all government officials shall be athiests? If you'll read my original post, I did say I don't care what religion he is... He can be a Christian without mentioning "God" in his speeches about why we're at war with Iraq, etc... QuoteWe shall agree to disagree on this one. Ok Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Shotgun 1 #11 August 6, 2003 QuoteDuck and cover. Yeah I know, posting opinions regarding religion in a public forum is a good way to start a fire... certainly not trying to start a fire, but sometimes I just speak my mind. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rebecca 0 #12 August 6, 2003 For the most part, I agree with you, Keely. Not to change the subject (), but Quote-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We shall agree to disagree on this one. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ok that was cool, and rather sweet. You two might make a cute little dz.com couple, what with your username, and his avatar... 'Course, I have no idea what y'all's status is.. I'm just sayin'... you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel loquacious?' -- well do you, punk? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Nutz 0 #13 August 6, 2003 Hey Rebecca, I like the "eye" avatar better. I'm sure you will change it back just to appease me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rebecca 0 #14 August 6, 2003 You don't like my pet, Harry? He's such a sweet pussy-cat. Oh, OK. Now, enough of this hijacking... you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel loquacious?' -- well do you, punk? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Nutz 0 #15 August 6, 2003 The "kitty" is cool but I don't know, there is just something about that eye. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DYEVOUT 0 #16 August 6, 2003 QuoteThe "kitty" is cool but I don't know, there is just something about that eye. AGREED. ----------------=8^)---------------------- "I think that was the wrong tennis court." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,118 #17 August 6, 2003 QuoteQuoteQuite a few people in this country either do no believe in "God" or believe in a different type of god than the Christians do - that is why religion has no place in the government of our country. I'm not saying that people shouldn't be religious, I'm just saying it doesn't belong in the government... Henceforth all government officials shall be athiests? Our government is made up of people, many of which believe in a higher power - and have that right. This country was not founded by godless men - OOPS !! - godless people, oh - never mind. We shall agree to disagree on this one. It IS a problem precisely because of things like the recent statement from the Vatican telling Roman Catholic legislators how they must respond to certain issues. The church, and especially the Roman church, has a miserable history of interference in the affairs of states. I fail to see how the institution that brought us the crusades and the inquisition and deliberately distorted its own history in order to relegate women to second class status can ever claim the moral high ground on any issue.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rebecca 0 #18 August 6, 2003 QuoteQuoteThe "kitty" is cool but I don't know, there is just something about that eye. AGREED. Why thank you! (I assume that's a positive, non-creepy, non-'it-won't-stop-staring-at-me' something, right?) you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel loquacious?' -- well do you, punk? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Shotgun 1 #19 August 6, 2003 QuoteYou two might make a cute little dz.com couple, what with your username, and his avatar... LOL Good point... and I do like Neil's avatar (and he seems like a very nice person too)... But somehow I think the relationship might come to an abrupt end the first time we have a discussion about religion!??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,090 #20 August 6, 2003 >Henceforth all government officials shall be athiests? Not at all! Would you propose banning atheists from government if they won't say the pledge, since it contradicts their religious beliefs? >Our government is made up of people, many of which believe in a > higher power - and have that right. That's exactly right, whether they are buddhist, christian, hindu, islam or wiccan. That's correct whether they believe in no one god, a single god, or three gods. We should not presume to tell them they must pledge to the one-god system that most americans believe in. > This country was not founded by godless men . . . No, it was founded by people who knew what it was like to have one 'state' religion crammed down their throats. They were very careful to explain that in the US church and state are, and must remain, separate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jlmiracle 7 #21 August 6, 2003 When I was in kindergarden i always said ..."one nation underdog, invisible"... For all you young'en, Underdog was a very popular cartoon when I was 5. My mom was horrified when she heard me say underdog, but i honestly thought thats what it was. JudyBe kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Muenkel 0 #22 August 6, 2003 Over the years we have had presidents with varying degrees of spirituality. I for one am thrilled with GWB's spirituality and how he is not afraid to express it publicly. Someone's spirituality is a huge part of who they are. So, I am just another American who votes and disagrees with some of the points of view posted here. Kallend, you seem to have no understanding of the true teachings of the Catholic Church, so your opinions mean absolutely nothing to me. You have drawn your own conclusions based not on prayer and discernment, but on what you feel like believing. Chris BTW, you will never see me post something that distorts the teaching of any other religion. _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites leroydb 0 #23 August 6, 2003 i am not super religiuos myself, but isnt god (christianity) what our country was orinally based on? Look on the back of out money "e pluribus unim" in god we trust... . . .Leroy ..I knew I was an unwanted baby when I saw my bath toys were a toaster and a radio... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jlmiracle 7 #24 August 6, 2003 I thought our country was based on freedom and church and state are suppose to be separate (like that will ever happen). JudyBe kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #25 August 6, 2003 Quote . . . but isnt god (christianity) what our country was orinally based on? Look on the back of out money "e pluribus unim" in god we trust... ANOTHER popular misconception! http://www.ustreas.gov/education/fact-sheets/currency/in-god-we-trust.html "In God We Trust" was NOT something that was considered originally. As for "E Pluribus Unum" it is Latin for "One from many" or "One from many parts." 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b1jercat 0 #8 August 6, 2003 Duck and cover. blues jerry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DYEVOUT 0 #9 August 6, 2003 QuoteQuite a few people in this country either do no believe in "God" or believe in a different type of god than the Christians do - that is why religion has no place in the government of our country. I'm not saying that people shouldn't be religious, I'm just saying it doesn't belong in the government... Henceforth all government officials shall be athiests? Our government is made up of people, many of which believe in a higher power - and have that right. This country was not founded by godless men - OOPS !! - godless people, oh - never mind. We shall agree to disagree on this one. ----------------=8^)---------------------- "I think that was the wrong tennis court." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #10 August 6, 2003 QuoteHenceforth all government officials shall be athiests? If you'll read my original post, I did say I don't care what religion he is... He can be a Christian without mentioning "God" in his speeches about why we're at war with Iraq, etc... QuoteWe shall agree to disagree on this one. Ok Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #11 August 6, 2003 QuoteDuck and cover. Yeah I know, posting opinions regarding religion in a public forum is a good way to start a fire... certainly not trying to start a fire, but sometimes I just speak my mind. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rebecca 0 #12 August 6, 2003 For the most part, I agree with you, Keely. Not to change the subject (), but Quote-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We shall agree to disagree on this one. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ok that was cool, and rather sweet. You two might make a cute little dz.com couple, what with your username, and his avatar... 'Course, I have no idea what y'all's status is.. I'm just sayin'... you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel loquacious?' -- well do you, punk? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nutz 0 #13 August 6, 2003 Hey Rebecca, I like the "eye" avatar better. I'm sure you will change it back just to appease me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rebecca 0 #14 August 6, 2003 You don't like my pet, Harry? He's such a sweet pussy-cat. Oh, OK. Now, enough of this hijacking... you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel loquacious?' -- well do you, punk? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Nutz 0 #15 August 6, 2003 The "kitty" is cool but I don't know, there is just something about that eye. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DYEVOUT 0 #16 August 6, 2003 QuoteThe "kitty" is cool but I don't know, there is just something about that eye. AGREED. ----------------=8^)---------------------- "I think that was the wrong tennis court." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,118 #17 August 6, 2003 QuoteQuoteQuite a few people in this country either do no believe in "God" or believe in a different type of god than the Christians do - that is why religion has no place in the government of our country. I'm not saying that people shouldn't be religious, I'm just saying it doesn't belong in the government... Henceforth all government officials shall be athiests? Our government is made up of people, many of which believe in a higher power - and have that right. This country was not founded by godless men - OOPS !! - godless people, oh - never mind. We shall agree to disagree on this one. It IS a problem precisely because of things like the recent statement from the Vatican telling Roman Catholic legislators how they must respond to certain issues. The church, and especially the Roman church, has a miserable history of interference in the affairs of states. I fail to see how the institution that brought us the crusades and the inquisition and deliberately distorted its own history in order to relegate women to second class status can ever claim the moral high ground on any issue.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rebecca 0 #18 August 6, 2003 QuoteQuoteThe "kitty" is cool but I don't know, there is just something about that eye. AGREED. Why thank you! (I assume that's a positive, non-creepy, non-'it-won't-stop-staring-at-me' something, right?) you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel loquacious?' -- well do you, punk? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Shotgun 1 #19 August 6, 2003 QuoteYou two might make a cute little dz.com couple, what with your username, and his avatar... LOL Good point... and I do like Neil's avatar (and he seems like a very nice person too)... But somehow I think the relationship might come to an abrupt end the first time we have a discussion about religion!??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,090 #20 August 6, 2003 >Henceforth all government officials shall be athiests? Not at all! Would you propose banning atheists from government if they won't say the pledge, since it contradicts their religious beliefs? >Our government is made up of people, many of which believe in a > higher power - and have that right. That's exactly right, whether they are buddhist, christian, hindu, islam or wiccan. That's correct whether they believe in no one god, a single god, or three gods. We should not presume to tell them they must pledge to the one-god system that most americans believe in. > This country was not founded by godless men . . . No, it was founded by people who knew what it was like to have one 'state' religion crammed down their throats. They were very careful to explain that in the US church and state are, and must remain, separate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jlmiracle 7 #21 August 6, 2003 When I was in kindergarden i always said ..."one nation underdog, invisible"... For all you young'en, Underdog was a very popular cartoon when I was 5. My mom was horrified when she heard me say underdog, but i honestly thought thats what it was. JudyBe kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Muenkel 0 #22 August 6, 2003 Over the years we have had presidents with varying degrees of spirituality. I for one am thrilled with GWB's spirituality and how he is not afraid to express it publicly. Someone's spirituality is a huge part of who they are. So, I am just another American who votes and disagrees with some of the points of view posted here. Kallend, you seem to have no understanding of the true teachings of the Catholic Church, so your opinions mean absolutely nothing to me. You have drawn your own conclusions based not on prayer and discernment, but on what you feel like believing. Chris BTW, you will never see me post something that distorts the teaching of any other religion. _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites leroydb 0 #23 August 6, 2003 i am not super religiuos myself, but isnt god (christianity) what our country was orinally based on? Look on the back of out money "e pluribus unim" in god we trust... . . .Leroy ..I knew I was an unwanted baby when I saw my bath toys were a toaster and a radio... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jlmiracle 7 #24 August 6, 2003 I thought our country was based on freedom and church and state are suppose to be separate (like that will ever happen). JudyBe kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #25 August 6, 2003 Quote . . . but isnt god (christianity) what our country was orinally based on? Look on the back of out money "e pluribus unim" in god we trust... ANOTHER popular misconception! http://www.ustreas.gov/education/fact-sheets/currency/in-god-we-trust.html "In God We Trust" was NOT something that was considered originally. As for "E Pluribus Unum" it is Latin for "One from many" or "One from many parts." See http://www.religioustolerance.org/nat_mott.htmquade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 1 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. 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Rebecca 0 #14 August 6, 2003 You don't like my pet, Harry? He's such a sweet pussy-cat. Oh, OK. Now, enough of this hijacking... you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel loquacious?' -- well do you, punk? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nutz 0 #15 August 6, 2003 The "kitty" is cool but I don't know, there is just something about that eye. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DYEVOUT 0 #16 August 6, 2003 QuoteThe "kitty" is cool but I don't know, there is just something about that eye. AGREED. ----------------=8^)---------------------- "I think that was the wrong tennis court." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,118 #17 August 6, 2003 QuoteQuoteQuite a few people in this country either do no believe in "God" or believe in a different type of god than the Christians do - that is why religion has no place in the government of our country. I'm not saying that people shouldn't be religious, I'm just saying it doesn't belong in the government... Henceforth all government officials shall be athiests? Our government is made up of people, many of which believe in a higher power - and have that right. This country was not founded by godless men - OOPS !! - godless people, oh - never mind. We shall agree to disagree on this one. It IS a problem precisely because of things like the recent statement from the Vatican telling Roman Catholic legislators how they must respond to certain issues. The church, and especially the Roman church, has a miserable history of interference in the affairs of states. I fail to see how the institution that brought us the crusades and the inquisition and deliberately distorted its own history in order to relegate women to second class status can ever claim the moral high ground on any issue.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rebecca 0 #18 August 6, 2003 QuoteQuoteThe "kitty" is cool but I don't know, there is just something about that eye. AGREED. Why thank you! (I assume that's a positive, non-creepy, non-'it-won't-stop-staring-at-me' something, right?) you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel loquacious?' -- well do you, punk? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #19 August 6, 2003 QuoteYou two might make a cute little dz.com couple, what with your username, and his avatar... LOL Good point... and I do like Neil's avatar (and he seems like a very nice person too)... But somehow I think the relationship might come to an abrupt end the first time we have a discussion about religion!??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,090 #20 August 6, 2003 >Henceforth all government officials shall be athiests? Not at all! Would you propose banning atheists from government if they won't say the pledge, since it contradicts their religious beliefs? >Our government is made up of people, many of which believe in a > higher power - and have that right. That's exactly right, whether they are buddhist, christian, hindu, islam or wiccan. That's correct whether they believe in no one god, a single god, or three gods. We should not presume to tell them they must pledge to the one-god system that most americans believe in. > This country was not founded by godless men . . . No, it was founded by people who knew what it was like to have one 'state' religion crammed down their throats. They were very careful to explain that in the US church and state are, and must remain, separate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jlmiracle 7 #21 August 6, 2003 When I was in kindergarden i always said ..."one nation underdog, invisible"... For all you young'en, Underdog was a very popular cartoon when I was 5. My mom was horrified when she heard me say underdog, but i honestly thought thats what it was. JudyBe kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #22 August 6, 2003 Over the years we have had presidents with varying degrees of spirituality. I for one am thrilled with GWB's spirituality and how he is not afraid to express it publicly. Someone's spirituality is a huge part of who they are. So, I am just another American who votes and disagrees with some of the points of view posted here. Kallend, you seem to have no understanding of the true teachings of the Catholic Church, so your opinions mean absolutely nothing to me. You have drawn your own conclusions based not on prayer and discernment, but on what you feel like believing. Chris BTW, you will never see me post something that distorts the teaching of any other religion. _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leroydb 0 #23 August 6, 2003 i am not super religiuos myself, but isnt god (christianity) what our country was orinally based on? Look on the back of out money "e pluribus unim" in god we trust... . . .Leroy ..I knew I was an unwanted baby when I saw my bath toys were a toaster and a radio... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jlmiracle 7 #24 August 6, 2003 I thought our country was based on freedom and church and state are suppose to be separate (like that will ever happen). JudyBe kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #25 August 6, 2003 Quote . . . but isnt god (christianity) what our country was orinally based on? Look on the back of out money "e pluribus unim" in god we trust... ANOTHER popular misconception! http://www.ustreas.gov/education/fact-sheets/currency/in-god-we-trust.html "In God We Trust" was NOT something that was considered originally. As for "E Pluribus Unum" it is Latin for "One from many" or "One from many parts." See http://www.religioustolerance.org/nat_mott.htmquade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
