acaamano 0 #1 October 20, 2011 In the classifieds there are a lot of containers with smaller MLWs (Jav's with C16-18 seem to be the norm). Is it safe to try fitting into one of these? How uncomfortable/unsafe would it be or would the straps simply be a little looser? Thanks! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
irishrigger 32 #2 October 20, 2011 generally i would advise against a loose harness,as it is uncomfetable and could cause issues in freefall and on deployment.but it would depend how loose it is on you. what size are you? it might be possible to get it adjusted.make sure you talk to your instructor or preferably a rigger before you decide to buy it. rodger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VTmotoMike08 0 #3 October 21, 2011 How do you know your MLW size is 21? How tall are you and is it all in the torso? I'm 6'2" and my first rig was a C-18 saved javelin. It was snug but comfortable enough. 21 is a pretty big harness. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
acaamano 0 #4 October 21, 2011 I'm 5'11" with a 30" inseam. 71-30-20=21 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SethInMI 174 #5 October 21, 2011 21 does sound long, I am 6'3" and a 20" MLW was too long for me, I changed it to a 19", but of course it is all about the torso. If you really need a 21, I think an 18 would be too small to be comfortable. One thing I did when I bought a used Jav was I filled out the javelin sizing document and emailed the measurements to sunpath and asked them to convert them to recommended yoke, MLW and Lateral dimensions. You could do the same. Don't forget about the lats, if they are for a skinny guy and you are bigger the rig will be extra tight, and if the reverse is true the rig will be loose and could slide around, esp if you sit or back fly. If you really need a 21, I would just plan on paying for a MLW resize, and then you can focus on finding a match for canopy sizes, and the most important thing, of course, the color.It's flare not flair, brakes not breaks, bridle not bridal, "could NOT care less" not "could care less". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ripcord4 0 #6 October 21, 2011 Why does everyone want to know what they can "get away with"? Why not do it properly in the first place and avoid all the known/unknown problems created by trying to cut corners? Jumping is dangerous enough without compounding the risk.....too large/small harnesses, containers, canopies. This is your life you are cutting corners with! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davelepka 4 #7 October 21, 2011 QuoteI'm 5'11" with a 30" inseam. 71-30-20=21 I don't know where you go that math, but you don't need a 21" MLW. If you did find that formula somewhere, it was probably based on measurements 20 years ago when guys wore their pants higher on their waist. The inseam on your jeans is going to be shorter than the inseam on a 'traditional' fit pair of suit pants. Next time you're at the DZ, look for a couple of experienced jumpers between 5' 10" and 6' tall, and ask if you can try on their rigs (make sure they're packed when you do this). See how they fit, and check the harness size. If it's not marked on the data tag, write down the serial number and call the manufacturer to get the size of the harness. I'm pretty sure you'll find that you're about an 18" MLW. A 21" MLW is huge, and I would guess there are very few rigs out there with a harness that size. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deyan 36 #8 October 21, 2011 QuoteQuoteI'm 5'11" with a 30" inseam. 71-30-20=21 I don't know where you go that math, but you don't need a 21" MLW. If you did find that formula somewhere, it was probably based on measurements 20 years ago when guys wore their pants higher on their waist. http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2105518;search_string=mlw%20measurements;#2105518 According to the same formula, mine MLW should be 15" and that's exactly what I'm jumping now"My belief is that once the doctor whacks you on the butt, all guarantees are off" Jerry Baumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #9 October 22, 2011 Dave, I am 6'2" and have a C-20 harness. I have long legs but if someone had a slightly longer torso... a 21 is very possible.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrewEckhardt 0 #10 October 22, 2011 QuoteQuoteI'm 5'11" with a 30" inseam. 71-30-20=21 I don't know where you go that math, but you don't need a 21" MLW. Doesn't sound unreasonable to me. Quote If you did find that formula somewhere, it was probably based on measurements 20 years ago when guys wore their pants higher on their waist. The inseam on your jeans is going to be shorter than the inseam on a 'traditional' fit pair of suit pants. I'm 5'10 with a 30.5" cycling inseam (stand against a wall, wear tight shorts, put a book in a compromising position wear a bicycle saddle would go, measure) and my custom rigs are 19-20" without being tight or leaving me hanging. Three of some measurement got taken for one because the dealer couldn't believe the tape measure was right. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
