News: Guantanamo is better than a Russian Resort

[lawrocket 3]

Mother Pleads for Russian Son to be Kept at Gitmo

I'm sure that this will piss of some of y'all.
Where are my Froot Loops?

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=573&ncid=757&e=6&u=/nm/20030808/od_nm/odd_russia_guantanamo_dc

MOSCOW (Reuters) - A Russian mother said that conditions in Russian jails are so awful that she would prefer her son remain in the "humane" conditions of the U.S. military prison in Guantanamo Bay.



A number of governments, including Russia's, are in talks with the United States to extradite their nationals from the prison camp in Cuba, which was set up to house Taliban and al Qaeda suspects after the war in Afghanistan (news - web sites).


"I am terribly scared of a Russian prison or Russian court for my son," Amina Khasanova was quoted as saying by Gazeta newspaper on Friday.


"At Guantanamo they treat him humanely, the conditions are fine."


Her son Andrei Bakhitov is one of eight Russian detainees, and the newspaper quoted a letter he wrote to his mother.


"I think that there is not even a health resort in Russia on the level of this place," the letter said.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[turtlespeed 226]

Just a thought...prisons are supposed to UN-desirable, right?
So lets fasion them after our russian comrades, Da?

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[BlueEyedMonster 0]

I love this lady. She is absolutely right too. Her son is much better off in Gitmo. The Russian prisons were bad before the collaps of the USSR, now they are are worse.

Besides, I'm happier with her son in Gitmo. Its much harder to bribe the soldiers guarding them than the guards at the Russian prison.

[billvon 3,121]

I wonder if anyone takes pride in the fact that our gulags are better than Russia's . . .

[bhammond 0]

Bill,
From what I've read a Gulag is a Forced labor camp... and everything I've seen from gitmo is 3 hots and a cot ... much different,

but it gives a good question to ponder?

what do you do with several hundered people that hate you and would love to become martyrs and blow you up ???

put yourself in the position of, peoples lives depend on it ... you set them free and they kill, its on your shoulders... you get to think about it for the rest of your life....

I have to be honest, its a tough question,

[billvon 3,121]

> what do you do with several hundered people that hate you and would
>love to become martyrs and blow you up ???

Put them on trial and convict them if the evidence supports it. Our justice system has worked for over 200 years, through a civil war, two world wars, russian spies, the cold war, and a half dozen minor wars. It will work for terrorism. We are not the first generation to face this threat, nor will we be the last. Secret military prisons are not the answer.

[kmcguffee 0]

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Put them on trial and convict them if the evidence supports it.

Yeah, just like OJ. That'll work.

"Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." Ben Franklin

[TitaniumLegs 8]

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Put them on trial and convict them if the evidence supports it. Our justice system has worked for over 200 years

Sure. Say that to the victims of repeat offenders who were found guilty and did their time the first time.

(>o|-<

If you don't believe me, ask me.

[bhammond 0]

I would hardly describe gitmo as a secret military prison, it is a detainment facility, the trouble with just putting them on trial is, the burden of evidence. I know that sounds like we dont have any, but in the process of war you dont have a crime scene, you dont stop and take pictures and finger prints, you round them up and, the good guys put you in a detainment facility, the bad ones just kill you...
the fact that we dont have a case to bring doesnt necessarily mean that they should go free

[freeflir29 0]

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I know that sounds like we dont have any, but in the process of war you dont have a crime scene, you dont stop and take pictures and finger prints, you round them up and, the good guys put you in a detainment facility, the bad ones just kill you...
the fact that we dont have a case to bring doesnt necessarily mean that they should go free

Excellent point. I REALLY don't think our justice system is equipped to deal with this sort of thing. I think it HAS to be a military tribunal that deals with them. Trust me.....I've been through the "Military Justice" system. I'd have to say that in general.....it's OK. You do get a fair amount of rights. I guess the one complaint I had is that your fate can be left up to ONE person in some of the proceedings. I'd rather have a jury.

[lawrocket 3]

Actually, what's going on in Gitmo is a unique situation. They are being treated better there than anywhere else they could be.

The problem is, I don't think they are being given all of their "human rights." Unfortunately, they really don't have advice of counsel, nor much of the due process that is supposed to be guaranteed.

What this means, in a practical sense, is that nothing has changed procedurally from the day they were brought to Gitmo. They are indefinitely there.

I have issues with what's going on in Gitmo. Either put them in jail or release them. No more of this halfway stuff.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

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Our justice system has worked for over 200 years, through a civil war...

Really? Funny, considering that Lincoln suspended the privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus during the Civil War.

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[akarunway 1]

I say kill'em all and let God sort them out

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

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Actually, if you want really bad conditions, transfer them to the Richmond, Indiana Municipal Jail...a real shithole, that place! And if you're a skydiver, you automatically get an upgrade to the maximum sentence allowed by law.

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[billvon 3,121]

>I would hardly describe gitmo as a secret military prison . . .

Secret: You cannot contact a laywer from within it, and no one can contact you.

Military: run by the military.

Prison: You are in a cage and cannot get out.

Call it whatever you want, it's a secret military prison by definition.

>the trouble with just putting them on trial is, the burden of evidence.
> I know that sounds like we dont have any, but in the process of war
> you dont have a crime scene, you dont stop and take pictures and
> finger prints, you round them up and, the good guys put you in a
> detainment facility, the bad ones just kill you...

We have used our courts for spies during wartime before. (Look up the Rosenburg case.) That was during the cold war - is this more serious than a war with countries who wanted to destroy the US, and had the capability? Is an act of terrorism worse than selling the secrets of the atomic bomb to our sworn enemies?

Gitmo is there because it's easier to just incarcerate people forever than having to come up with proof. It is exactly what the bill of rights is there to prevent. Of course, we've done such things before - we rounded up and incarcerated Japanese Americans during WWII in internment camps just because they were Japanese. Up until recently I thought we had learned from that mistake.