FallingMarc 0 #1 August 15, 2003 From the other thread, it looks like most people have their own moral code that they would stick to even if they found out that it wouldn't matter after ya kick it. But what if there was sudden proof that there IS an afterlife, and it DOES matter what you do here in this go-around? Let's say this is open to those who believe in heaven/hell-flavored divinity as well as reincarnation/karma-flavored divinity. For me, it wouldn't really matter, because I believe that if a divine presence did show up here, He/She/It would just tell us all to play nice and stop killing each other, and maybe share a bit more, and that all the other stuff that organized religions came up with is unimportant. But, that's just because I like to think that I'm right about everything. M Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlueEyedMonster 0 #2 August 15, 2003 I would not change.... If there is an afterlife, then I would actually be immortal. Besides... When ya live in the clouds, jump tickets are free Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zennie 0 #3 August 15, 2003 Heh, per my answer in the other thread.... nope. Wouldn't change. For similar reasons you give. - Z "Always be yourself... unless you suck." - Joss Whedon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #4 August 15, 2003 who's god?____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #5 August 15, 2003 Yeah, Tell me all your thoughts on God, 'Cuz I would really like to meet her. And ask her why we're who we are. Tell me all your thoughts on God. Cause I am on my way to see her. So tell me am I very far. --"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
b1jercat 0 #6 August 15, 2003 In a word, NO. blues jerry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faber 0 #7 August 15, 2003 no why should i? IF(im an atheist)there were a god,then he made this world,and he desided that things should be as they are...you know if he is the only person who can change the world,then he sure like it as it is,or he would have changed it right... Just my .25DKR Stay safe Stefan Faber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kinaa 0 #8 August 15, 2003 No! I would not change it in any case. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
QuickDraw 0 #9 August 15, 2003 No....i think he's on the losing side. -- Hope you don't die. -- I'm fucking winning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,552 #10 August 15, 2003 It would depend on the proof, and on what God said. After all, it could be that he hates blue jeans -- I could change that to keep the big guy happy. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #11 August 15, 2003 Quotewho's god? do you mean who's God, or WHOSE GOd? Anyway i wouldnt change I dont feel I have commited a mortal sin! ( i think thats the correct phrase for it) I dont think ive committed a sin so bad that I would be comndened to the being grounded/HELLMy photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lurch 0 #12 August 15, 2003 oh hell that rant was just too damn evil to leave standing. manifesto withdrawn.Live and learn... or die, and teach by example. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #13 August 15, 2003 QuoteOk, would you change your life if it were proven that God DOES exist? Yes!! I would begin sacrificing fatted calves, stoning adulterers and avoid all women who are having their period. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #14 August 15, 2003 You're arguements against the Christian God doesn't make sense, since your assumptions is not how the theology of Christianity really is. Try actually studying and learning some of the theology, instead of what you assume it is, to make your arguement. It will give you a more educated arguement and one that you might actually be able to debate with. Here's some for you: 1. God is perfect. Things like sickness, rapists, nuclear war, etc were brought upon this world after his orginal creation disobeyed God, banishing themselves from God's direct pressence, into the world of sin. Sin was not created by God, but was created by Lucifer, who at one point was a very powerful angel of God's (as well as the most beautiful). Thus Lucifer created the sin, then tricked Adam and Eve into falling into sin, thus keeping them from God's perfect creation. That's some of the theology in a nutshell, it is much more complicated then that and much longer then that, but I'll leave you to go find out about it. Either way, your argument is easily proven wrong, if debating someone who believes Christianity or someone like me, who knows Christian theology.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #15 August 15, 2003 Quote Sin was not created by God, but was created by Lucifer, who at one point was a very powerful angel of God's (as well as the most beautiful). But the "all powerful and omniscient" God created Lucifer, so he is responsible, or at least knew what was going to happen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blahr 0 #16 August 15, 2003 Same answer as the first one Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #17 August 15, 2003 QuoteBut the "all powerful and omniscient" God created Lucifer, so he is responsible, or at least knew what was going to happen Like I said, what I gave was the short answer. Even just the seemingly simple events surrounding the first chapter of Genesis is very complicated. I would love to explain it here, but I've got to be at the DZ in 2 hours (it would take about that long to go through all of it).--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #18 August 15, 2003 QuoteQuoteBut the "all powerful and omniscient" God created Lucifer, so he is responsible, or at least knew what was going to happen Like I said, what I gave was the short answer. Even just the seemingly simple events surrounding the first chapter of Genesis is very complicated. I would love to explain it here, but I've got to be at the DZ in 2 hours (it would take about that long to go through all of it). That's ok, I've had plenty of people try to explain it to me and I still don't understand. There's a big gap in the explanation either due to my stupidity or their "leap of faith" and ignoring logic. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lurch 0 #19 August 15, 2003 I was raised by catholics and forcefed far more of that self contradictory nonsense than I can stomach. I have the usual atheists' bucket-full-o-logical-arguments shoots more holes in christian theology than a screen door has holes. I could whip it out, I have in the past, but it won't change anything. Religious beliefs are the most logic-resistant notions I've ever come across. You make an assertion of the state of reality based on a number of assumptions you have exactly zero objective evidence to support and cannot specify or quantify... existence of "lucifer" existence of "god" wishes of "god" existence of a state of wrong disharmony with those wishes called "sin" and in the end the argument boils down to "Its all in this book!" Every religious debate I ever took part in ended with my opponent insisting with delightfully circular logic that the book was inspired by god it tells us all about god therefore its all true! it just IS! nah aah, it just IS! Can't argue with that now can we?Live and learn... or die, and teach by example. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #20 August 15, 2003 QuoteI was raised by catholics Well, I've got my own thoughts on that. I actually think that Catholic belief is very skewed, that it doesn't follow Christian theology anymore and hasn't for the past 1800 years. So I can agree with you on that minor point, atleast. And what kind of church do I go to? None. I'm a spiritual person, not a religous one (stated in advanced before I get asked due to my comments in this thread).--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lurch 0 #21 August 15, 2003 If you're not religious why did you just try to tell me about god and lucifer and sin as if they were fact? Or were you simply stating the case as a christian would and I misunderstood you?Live and learn... or die, and teach by example. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #22 August 15, 2003 Nope, not religious, BUT I've studied theology pretty damned deeply.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lurch 0 #23 August 15, 2003 Although raised catholic I'm familiar with some of the details on most of the major variations on the judeochristian notions of "god" and there isn't even close to enough difference between any of em to make them any more than variations on the same nonsense. I don't need to consume the contents of all the barrels to know theyre all full of sewage. Slightly different smell and taste than the barrels to the left and to the right that resemble it, still a barrel of....Live and learn... or die, and teach by example. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lazyfrog 0 #24 August 15, 2003 YES... I'd have to shave each weekend, 'cuz we wouldn't be far from him... but I would'nt change the rest, I'm an ---------- Fumer tue, péter pue ------------- ourson #10, Mosquito Uno, CBT 579 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lurch 0 #25 August 15, 2003 Nope, not religious, BUT I've studied theology pretty damned deeply. Whatever for? Why?Live and learn... or die, and teach by example. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
