mouth 0 #26 August 18, 2003 I have never laid a hand on eith of my two girls...I don't have to. They know I would if it was necessary, but they also know I know how to torture without ever physically harming them. I have "the look" -- Hot Mama At least you know where you stand even if it is in a pile of shit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yardhippie 0 #27 August 19, 2003 i suppose its hard for me to say, b/c I have no kids, but im a firm belive in bust that ass. I just see too many children, mostly out in public... who get the whole "time out" thing and they are monsters. Until they can comprehend how their actions will affect their future... corporal punishment is a great deturrent, for the sole reason that they dont forget that... but they may forget about not having tv...Goddam dirty hippies piss me off! ~GFD "What do I get for closing your rig?" ~ me "Anything you want." ~ female skydiver Mohoso Rodriguez #865 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,121 #28 August 19, 2003 >I just see too many children, mostly out in public... who get the >whole "time out" thing and they are monsters. And there are even worse monsters who got beaten quite a bit. The key issue is to be there as a parent and make it clear what's expected of them in terms of behavior. The type of punishment is secondary, really. It's making clear what is expected of them that's important. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jayruss 0 #29 August 19, 2003 My father spanked my ass when I needed it and to look back on my childhood I can only really remember a few times when I was spanked (and only one of them was a mistake). __________________________________________________ "Beware how you take away hope from another human being." -Oliver Wendell Holmes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yardhippie 0 #30 August 19, 2003 Quote>I just see too many children, mostly out in public... who get the >whole "time out" thing and they are monsters. And there are even worse monsters who got beaten quite a bit. The key issue is to be there as a parent and make it clear what's expected of them in terms of behavior. The type of punishment is secondary, really. It's making clear what is expected of them that's important. you are correct... I was attempting to "sum up" all to quickly. there are way more details to just yes and no in this discussion. there are those who punish too much and they in turn create a monster who is even more uncontrollable than one w/o clear expectations.Goddam dirty hippies piss me off! ~GFD "What do I get for closing your rig?" ~ me "Anything you want." ~ female skydiver Mohoso Rodriguez #865 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kmcguffee 0 #31 August 19, 2003 It would be interesting to see the opinions of people who have kids compared with the opinions of people who don't have kids. I knew everything about raising kids..............until I had my own.I believe in corporal punishment. I don't believe in beating kids though. There is a difference. Punishment is done to correct a behavioral problem, without anger, and in a manner that inflicts only temporary pain and no injury. Beatings lack one of those criteria. Some kids need corporal punishment and some don't. I've seen brats and angels from both sides. I have to spank my boys just to get them to stay in timeout. I've seen other parents where just the threat of being grounded keeps their kids in line. It is a tool available to parents. It is not the answer for every problem though. "Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." Ben Franklin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bobsled92 0 #32 August 19, 2003 QuoteI have never laid a hand on either of my two girls...I don't have to. They know I would if it was necessary, but they also know I know how to torture without ever physically harming them. I have "the look" Yes I agree that "THE LOOK" worked better on my Daughters too! Daddy is NOT proud of that= and stop. My #2, she didn't cry from THE spank or Doctor visits with needle shots either, just the LOOK. My little man rarely gets a whack***running to the street is a WHACK-O-La! I can't afford to wait for my 18month old son develop a sense of "Crime & punishment" or "Laws For Your Own Protection" Ideas. I need to save him from harm and Hazards. -Grant p.s.I was the #4 of 5 (& youngest Son) I do believe my folks were distracted when the spankings I deserved were to be given(I know of 7 accounts, I should have been sold to the Gypsies_______________________________ If I could be a Super Hero, I chose to be: "GRANT-A-CLAUS". and work 365 days a Year. http://www.hangout.no/speednews/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,592 #33 August 19, 2003 QuoteIt is a tool available to parents. It is not the answer for every problem though. To me, that's an excellent viewpoint. I have experience as a child, a parent, and a child abuse investigator. It's a really big tool, which some kids don't need at all, and some parents can do without. It takes a lot of skill to avoid abusing it. Really. Because once you get used to it, kind of like when you know how to use a hammer, every problem looks like a nail. When you trust spankings, they get more frequent. I probably spanked my son less than 6 times when he was little. It was an emphasis, not a punishment -- the swat came as a result of continuing behavior he was told to stop (I counted to 10 -- that gave the thought time to rattle around in his brain). That worked for us. I know more kids who weren't harmed by not being spanked at all, than who weren't harmed by being spanked too much. Mainly because if you're raised thinking spankings are normal, it becomes a favorite tool, rather than one you think about carefully. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbrown 26 #34 August 19, 2003 My mom & dad used to beat the crap out of me and all i ever learned from it was that they were crazy and I couldn't trust them. Our two kids are 18 and 14 now and people have always told us how well behaved they are. We never hit them as a regular thing. When they were little, if there was a safety issue involved, like walking into the street, they might get a single swat across the tail to help focus their attention. Other than that we disciplined them with words, restricting privieges, grounding, no TV, etc. They turned out just fine. I think when you hit your kids you're giving up and taking the easy way out. And it's just an excuse for too many people who like hitting kids because they don't think they'll fight back. I'm no softy and we've got two GOOD kids to show for it. So there. Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #35 August 19, 2003 I had a large behavior problem as a child. Regular beatings taught me 2 things. 1-Don't get caught. 2-Whoever can whop the other is in charge. Two very poor lessons. I eventually grew up to be a better person in spite of it, but I still don't channel anger appropriately always. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Schroeder 0 #36 August 19, 2003 I used to get 'the belt' growing up. And I'm young too, unlike some of you, so this wasn't all that long ago, in the 80's. We were never beaten, slapped, etc but that belt was one effective tool. It didn't really hurt that much, it was more the intimidation of it. In anycase, a day spent in your room awaiting your fathers return from work is effective in getting a kid to think about what he did. I wouldn't do it to my kids, but I would spank them. If I ventured in the slipstream; Between the via-ducts of your dreams.......could you find me? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
