skymama 37 #26 August 22, 2003 QuoteNope, not suggesting that HH take away your forum. Lol, that wasn't the point of my post at all. It was just one of those things that raised my eyebrows. I was thinking I hadn't been looking at the big picture or something. She is Da Man, and you better not mess with Da Man, because she will lay some keepdown on you faster than, well, really fast. ~Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #27 August 22, 2003 QuoteI was thinking I hadn't been looking at the big picture or something. Man, I shouldn't have posted my last post, that would have bugged you all day. --"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymama 37 #28 August 22, 2003 QuoteMan, I shouldn't have posted my last post, that would have bugged you all day. You're right, I probably would have started a poll on it. But then, Freeflyguy would probably accuse me of post-whoring again. She is Da Man, and you better not mess with Da Man, because she will lay some keepdown on you faster than, well, really fast. ~Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #29 August 22, 2003 QuoteYou're right, I probably would have started a poll on it. But then, Freeflyguy would probably accuse me of post-whoring again And you're not doing that right now? Destroying my nice little thread...--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sunshine 2 #30 August 22, 2003 Dave, you're such an ego-maniac. Hehe. Anyhoo, an instructor forum sounds like a good idea. I don't think a separate forum is needed for each one (AFF, tandem, etc.) but just having one forum for all instructors is good. ___________________________________________ meow I get a Mike hug! I get a Mike hug! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pd190 0 #31 August 22, 2003 Okay, having read all of the responses so far...... I'm right with AD on this one. His reference to learning something new from each one of the posts concerning tandems was spot on with me. I think that it would be a great idea to open up an instructor forum. Being a new TM myself, I think that all new ratings holders could benefit from having the extensive knowledge base that is here. That's why we are here right?? to learn from the experience of others??. Or is it just to burn the clock at work (PW'ing) while we wait for the weekend to roll around? (I'm thinking PW'ing, no wait - learning, no wait PW'ing WHILE learning, there we go!) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slappie 9 #32 August 22, 2003 Aggie just wants to see if he can get a "Greenie" status My 2c on this is, the forums are very stretched out as is. Could probably consol a few into each other. No suggestions from me on what to put where. I just think there are way to many forums. Remember this IMHO only.. "Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #33 August 22, 2003 Instructor forum sounds good to me. With all the turnover in some of the forums, I'm glad they are sorted, else I can miss some fun stuff. Wing suits - taking gear fear to whole new level. Sky Gods..... Can't live with 'em, can't shoot 'em. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LouDiamond 1 #34 August 22, 2003 QuoteWing suits - taking gear fear to whole new level. Ya got it all wrong. Just ask the many DZ.commers who went on their first flight at WFFC. That thought process is much like all the people that said you couldn't breath in freefall when skydiving was kicking off. Birdman, until you try it ,your just falling from the sky"It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #35 August 22, 2003 QuoteWomen have been added to the forum and its been downhill from then....Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slappie 9 #36 August 22, 2003 QuoteQuoteWomen have been added to the forum and its been downhill from then....[/reply Here Here!! They don't even have erotic discussions in their own forums. "Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Remster 30 #37 August 22, 2003 QuoteThey don't even have erotic discussions in their own forums. I dont know... that Jumpsuit thread aint bad... poor poor kittens.....Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Slappie 9 #38 August 22, 2003 QuoteQuoteThey don't even have erotic discussions in their own forums. I dont know... that Jumpsuit thread aint bad... poor poor kittens..... Ok one is a maybe.. not that I read any of it "Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skybytch 273 #39 August 22, 2003 QuoteYa got it all wrong. Just ask the many DZ.commers who went on their first flight at WFFC. Yeah, like me. The wingsuit is WAY less complex than I anticipated. Back to the point of the thread - I don't think we need another forum solely for instructors. S&T works well for training related issues and G&R works well for questions related to student equipment. Having a separate forum named "Instructors" might stop some newer jumpers from going there and therefore possibly missing out on some info that they might be able to use someday. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkymonkeyONE 4 #40 August 22, 2003 QuoteNaw, I thinkg things are getting a little too thined out already. Too many cubicles. Agreed. Safety and training fits that bill. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkydiverRick 0 #41 August 22, 2003 QuoteQuoteDoes skydiving have things to hide that students should never hear about ? Is there some 'cruel truth' that newbies simply dont deserve to hear about until they may one day be so grand as to get instructor ratings themselves. IMO - yes. In the skydiving world - you are a newborn. A somewhat vocal but self aware creature mouthing off about the world when all it's experienced has come through the nipple on the bottle filled by your instructors - and adminisered with love and care at exactly the right time and tempreture. I don't think, at this time, as a newborn, you need to know about MSG, or genetically modified foods. Or alcohol, or rape or porn or war or ecconomics. Right now, every bit of your intelect and being should be directed at growth - and survival. You're not ready to hear your 2 favorite instructors strongly disagreeing with the correct procedure for a pilot chute in tow, or a dual canopy situation - paticularly when the option of disconnecting an RSL is not available to you, as it is at your DZ. To do so would cause doubt - uncertainty. As instructors we know that death follows those two around. Thanks Tonto, I was looking for the right words and you found them for me. Instructors have issues that the average jumper doesn't have to deal with. Skydiving instruction is constantly evolving. Having a forum to stay on top of things is a good idea. never pull low......unless you are Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Remster 30 #42 August 22, 2003 QuoteQuoteNaw, I thinkg things are getting a little too thined out already. Too many cubicles. Agreed. Safety and training fits that bill. Sure... now you all say what I was saying when HH asked if he should create all the new forums last year.... I for 1 am opposed to any nem forum in any way shape or formRemster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites riggerrob 643 #43 August 22, 2003 Yes, an "instructors" forum would be good. It should be administered similar to the PIA riggers forum, in that only rating holders would be allowed to post. It would be "read only" for the rest of us. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DJL 235 #44 August 22, 2003 "I just notice that threads are always being moved or start in one forum, but then the topic changes to be more apropriate in another forum." Good point."I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #45 August 22, 2003 QuoteYes, an "instructors" forum would be good. It should be administered similar to the PIA riggers forum, in that only rating holders would be allowed to post. It would be "read only" for the rest of us. But how some are speaking here, that would not serve the purpose, cause it would result in a newbie to ehar all the discussions his instructors are having, just as Tonto is telling a new skydiver he is not allowed to hear them. So how do you get around this? Open the forum only to rating holders? Who is going to administer that? Every country has a different system with different ratings. If you open it to everybody, now you are just adding one more forum, with many more threads that get moved and many threads that will not be read, because things are getting to confusing for people who do not have hours per day to check all the different forums. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,107 #46 August 22, 2003 >do you think that we need an instructors forum . . . Isn't that what the "safety and training" forum is for? Training issues? We have 20 public forums now. If we target subjects more narrowly and go to, say, 30 forums (i.e. instructors forum, tandem forum, hybrid-dive forum, basically a few more targeted forums) I can see the following good come of that: -encourage people to post on a given topic -let people go to one place where 5 out of 30 posts are on 'their' topic instead of a forum where 5 out of 60 posts are on 'their' topic. I can see the following problems: -a lot more time spent by moderators moving threads around (i.e. "This belongs in S+T, not instructors!" "No, it belongs in General.") -a lot more info 'missed' by people. Someone wanting to know how to start working on their AFF rating, for example, might go to the instructor forum and miss a long thread on that topic in S+T. -more confusion for newbies. I have a question about what my instructor said - is that a question for the instructor forum? It's part of my AFF training - so is it in safety and training? But I want a lot of people to read it - so should it go in general? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites andy2 0 #47 August 22, 2003 yeah good idea. I want to be a coach in another hundred or so jumps, be helpful to know what the "big guys" are doing. --------------------------------------------- let my inspiration flow, in token rhyme suggesting rhythm... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Jessica 0 #48 August 22, 2003 I think it'd be a good idea in that it would encourage posts on instructor-specific subjects. A long time ago, I went over to rec.skydiving and read as many archived posts as I could from AFF instructors on training issues. There seemed to be a lot more there than here. Why, I couldn't say. I think Safety & Training seems to get far more students posting questions than instructors. Yeah, I think it's a pretty good idea. I don't think it would fragment things as much as it would provide a place for posts that aren't really getting made right now (and I think they would get made if there were a specific forum for them). Tandem instructors have been begging for their own forum for as long as I've been on dz.com. Though I don't know how willing instructors are to discuss problems and issues they have on a public forum, especially since it opens them up to Internet-style flaming and armchair quarterbacking.Skydiving is for cool people only Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,107 #49 August 22, 2003 >A long time ago, I went over to rec.skydiving and read as many >archived posts as I could from AFF instructors on training issues. > There seemed to be a lot more there than here. That's an argument _for_ one big group instead of a bunch of smaller ones. >I think Safety & Training seems to get far more students posting > questions than instructors. I think that would be true of this new forum as well. (Unless you prohibit students from posting, which is sort of contrary to the idea of free information flow here.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites slotperfect 7 #50 August 23, 2003 QuoteA DZ.com forum would be public unles HH wants to start having a Raiting qualification to access it. That would not be a good thing in my opinion. I agree with this completely. To exclude those who want to understand more about the intructional process or those who aspire to become instructors would be counterproductive. I originally championed the suggestion for a separate tandem forum, then shifted my support once the separate instructor forum was suggested. Thanks for bolstering the idea, Dave!Arrive Safely John Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 2 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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Remster 30 #37 August 22, 2003 QuoteThey don't even have erotic discussions in their own forums. I dont know... that Jumpsuit thread aint bad... poor poor kittens.....Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slappie 9 #38 August 22, 2003 QuoteQuoteThey don't even have erotic discussions in their own forums. I dont know... that Jumpsuit thread aint bad... poor poor kittens..... Ok one is a maybe.. not that I read any of it "Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #39 August 22, 2003 QuoteYa got it all wrong. Just ask the many DZ.commers who went on their first flight at WFFC. Yeah, like me. The wingsuit is WAY less complex than I anticipated. Back to the point of the thread - I don't think we need another forum solely for instructors. S&T works well for training related issues and G&R works well for questions related to student equipment. Having a separate forum named "Instructors" might stop some newer jumpers from going there and therefore possibly missing out on some info that they might be able to use someday. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 4 #40 August 22, 2003 QuoteNaw, I thinkg things are getting a little too thined out already. Too many cubicles. Agreed. Safety and training fits that bill. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiverRick 0 #41 August 22, 2003 QuoteQuoteDoes skydiving have things to hide that students should never hear about ? Is there some 'cruel truth' that newbies simply dont deserve to hear about until they may one day be so grand as to get instructor ratings themselves. IMO - yes. In the skydiving world - you are a newborn. A somewhat vocal but self aware creature mouthing off about the world when all it's experienced has come through the nipple on the bottle filled by your instructors - and adminisered with love and care at exactly the right time and tempreture. I don't think, at this time, as a newborn, you need to know about MSG, or genetically modified foods. Or alcohol, or rape or porn or war or ecconomics. Right now, every bit of your intelect and being should be directed at growth - and survival. You're not ready to hear your 2 favorite instructors strongly disagreeing with the correct procedure for a pilot chute in tow, or a dual canopy situation - paticularly when the option of disconnecting an RSL is not available to you, as it is at your DZ. To do so would cause doubt - uncertainty. As instructors we know that death follows those two around. Thanks Tonto, I was looking for the right words and you found them for me. Instructors have issues that the average jumper doesn't have to deal with. Skydiving instruction is constantly evolving. Having a forum to stay on top of things is a good idea. never pull low......unless you are Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #42 August 22, 2003 QuoteQuoteNaw, I thinkg things are getting a little too thined out already. Too many cubicles. Agreed. Safety and training fits that bill. Sure... now you all say what I was saying when HH asked if he should create all the new forums last year.... I for 1 am opposed to any nem forum in any way shape or formRemster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #43 August 22, 2003 Yes, an "instructors" forum would be good. It should be administered similar to the PIA riggers forum, in that only rating holders would be allowed to post. It would be "read only" for the rest of us. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #44 August 22, 2003 "I just notice that threads are always being moved or start in one forum, but then the topic changes to be more apropriate in another forum." Good point."I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #45 August 22, 2003 QuoteYes, an "instructors" forum would be good. It should be administered similar to the PIA riggers forum, in that only rating holders would be allowed to post. It would be "read only" for the rest of us. But how some are speaking here, that would not serve the purpose, cause it would result in a newbie to ehar all the discussions his instructors are having, just as Tonto is telling a new skydiver he is not allowed to hear them. So how do you get around this? Open the forum only to rating holders? Who is going to administer that? Every country has a different system with different ratings. If you open it to everybody, now you are just adding one more forum, with many more threads that get moved and many threads that will not be read, because things are getting to confusing for people who do not have hours per day to check all the different forums. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,107 #46 August 22, 2003 >do you think that we need an instructors forum . . . Isn't that what the "safety and training" forum is for? Training issues? We have 20 public forums now. If we target subjects more narrowly and go to, say, 30 forums (i.e. instructors forum, tandem forum, hybrid-dive forum, basically a few more targeted forums) I can see the following good come of that: -encourage people to post on a given topic -let people go to one place where 5 out of 30 posts are on 'their' topic instead of a forum where 5 out of 60 posts are on 'their' topic. I can see the following problems: -a lot more time spent by moderators moving threads around (i.e. "This belongs in S+T, not instructors!" "No, it belongs in General.") -a lot more info 'missed' by people. Someone wanting to know how to start working on their AFF rating, for example, might go to the instructor forum and miss a long thread on that topic in S+T. -more confusion for newbies. I have a question about what my instructor said - is that a question for the instructor forum? It's part of my AFF training - so is it in safety and training? But I want a lot of people to read it - so should it go in general? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
andy2 0 #47 August 22, 2003 yeah good idea. I want to be a coach in another hundred or so jumps, be helpful to know what the "big guys" are doing. --------------------------------------------- let my inspiration flow, in token rhyme suggesting rhythm... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jessica 0 #48 August 22, 2003 I think it'd be a good idea in that it would encourage posts on instructor-specific subjects. A long time ago, I went over to rec.skydiving and read as many archived posts as I could from AFF instructors on training issues. There seemed to be a lot more there than here. Why, I couldn't say. I think Safety & Training seems to get far more students posting questions than instructors. Yeah, I think it's a pretty good idea. I don't think it would fragment things as much as it would provide a place for posts that aren't really getting made right now (and I think they would get made if there were a specific forum for them). Tandem instructors have been begging for their own forum for as long as I've been on dz.com. Though I don't know how willing instructors are to discuss problems and issues they have on a public forum, especially since it opens them up to Internet-style flaming and armchair quarterbacking.Skydiving is for cool people only Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,107 #49 August 22, 2003 >A long time ago, I went over to rec.skydiving and read as many >archived posts as I could from AFF instructors on training issues. > There seemed to be a lot more there than here. That's an argument _for_ one big group instead of a bunch of smaller ones. >I think Safety & Training seems to get far more students posting > questions than instructors. I think that would be true of this new forum as well. (Unless you prohibit students from posting, which is sort of contrary to the idea of free information flow here.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slotperfect 7 #50 August 23, 2003 QuoteA DZ.com forum would be public unles HH wants to start having a Raiting qualification to access it. That would not be a good thing in my opinion. I agree with this completely. To exclude those who want to understand more about the intructional process or those who aspire to become instructors would be counterproductive. I originally championed the suggestion for a separate tandem forum, then shifted my support once the separate instructor forum was suggested. Thanks for bolstering the idea, Dave!Arrive Safely John Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
