AggieDave 6 #1 August 22, 2003 There's been a lot of talk about this lately, do you think that we need an instructors forum, for current instructors, those wanting to become instructors or people who want to read and learn through conversations about instructing in the different types of instruction? Personally, I would say that it would definately be an added bonus to this site. We have a forum for Wingsuits, Women, CReW and other stuff, wouldn't it make since that we would have a forum for one of the most important aspects of skydiving? With out instructors, the sport would die, since there would be no new blood beginning the sport.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TitaniumLegs 8 #3 August 22, 2003 What the heck do instructors know? They'll give ratings to anybody! (>o|-< If you don't believe me, ask me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiverRick 0 #4 August 22, 2003 I think that it would be very useful. never pull low......unless you are Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #5 August 22, 2003 Naw, I thinkg things are getting a little too thined out already. Too many cubicles.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #6 August 22, 2003 QuoteNaw, I thinkg things are getting a little too thined out already Then do you think some of the forums should be consolidated? Maybe FF and Wingsuit or something like that?--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VanillaSkyGirl 6 #7 August 22, 2003 do you think that we need an instructors forum I think that this is a wonderful idea. I am pretty new to skydiving, and I read through EVERY forum regularly, even though I may not be interested in all disciplines equally. I still crave the knowledge as there is so much to learn. Furthermore, I believe that it's best to know all options within this sport. Knowing more about instructors and their challenges can only benefit us all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #8 August 22, 2003 Heck, I'm not sure. I only check out FF, RW, and CRW about once a week. I just notice that threads are always being moved or start in one forum, but then the topic changes to be more apropriate in another forum. I think the meat of the forums, and the type of posts you're talking about is fine in G&R, Incidents, General, or S&T. But what do I know anyway. ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #9 August 22, 2003 I can see the benefit.. Our DZ has an instructors e-mail group which allows us to discuss the more brutal aspects of policy or incidents without scaring off the members. Once we've decieded on a course of action we "clean it up" and present it. Having said that I do encourage all our members to visit "Dizzy" as we refer to DZ.com, and broaden their knowledge of the sport. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Unutsch 0 #10 August 22, 2003 i to believe that this would be a real benefit for the site, and also for all of those who are or would like to become instructors... on the other hand, i also think that there are allready too many forums, but have no problem with that, i just don't look at them as regularly as on those i check every day Check out the site of the Fallen Angels FreeflY Organisation: http://www.padliangeli.org Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #11 August 22, 2003 The advantage there is that your e-mail group is private. A DZ.com forum would be public unles HH wants to start having a Raiting qualification to access it. That would not be a good thing in my opinion.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #12 August 22, 2003 Thanks for the responses so far yall, keep them coming!--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
metalslug 36 #13 August 22, 2003 Oh FFS .. you have got to be kidding. What does the Safety & Training forum serve if not to provide comment and advice on aspects of instruction ? ..with most of such advice coming from instructors themselves. I cant see how it would be healthy if newbies were sharing training tips at one end while the elitist instructors had their own little 'click' going at the other end. What on earth would instructors need to discuss that should be protected from students ? Does skydiving have things to hide that students should never hear about ? Is there some 'cruel truth' that newbies simply dont deserve to hear about until they may one day be so grand as to get instructor ratings themselves ? .. And how long before suggestions emerge to divide that new forum up into TM-I, AFF-I, SL-I.. ad nauseam so that each category of skygod can revel in their own self-importance. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #14 August 22, 2003 Wow. That's quite a mouthful for a dude with 6 jumps from Nylstroom... Got an opinion, have you? tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #15 August 22, 2003 QuoteWhat on earth would instructors need to discuss that should be protected from students ? Where did you get the idea that the forum (if created) would have blocked access from non-rated jumpers? Go look in the "serious" forums for a while and see how many threads there are about specific instructor type things, such as the recent half-dozen or so threads dealing with being a TM. I'm just talking about having a specific spot for those sorts of threads. Geez...--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #16 August 22, 2003 QuoteAnd how long before suggestions emerge to divide that new forum up into TM-I, AFF-I, SL-I.. ad nauseam so that each category of skygod can revel in their own self-importance I guess I've been revelling in my own self-importance, then, since all of those recent threads dealing with TM issues have taught me atleast one new thing per thread. Especially since I'm a newbie TM with only 70 tandems so far. Sounds like you've got some serious issues with your current instructors, huh? That sucks, I hope you can work those out. --"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
metalslug 36 #17 August 22, 2003 What I have a problem with is bureaucracy and people who are keen to 'fix things that aint broke'. I have little doubt that HH busts his chops to create and maintain all the features and functionality on this website that we drink from so freely. Do we really need yet another forum for him to work on ? ..which would then imply that the current forums are lacking in their ability to cater for this proposed new line of instructor threads... even after several months/years of existence. As for my own instructors, I'm doing great with them.. we drink at the same bar and stand in same shade. I dont see how Dave would be implying otherwise. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
XWuffo 0 #18 August 22, 2003 Quote metalslug, how long have you been around reading these forums ? I think you should be patient and read the threads carfully. The instructors that post on this thread, ESPECIALLY Tonto, are NOT like skygod's that revel in their own self-importance. Nothing could be further from the truth. I've often seen Tonto post some rather brutal opinions on these forums. He's not afraid to speak the truth, and shares his huge experience (4000 jumps +) with everyone for free. I think we should be grateful for that !As we in Africa know - "If you're going to be dumb - you'd better be tough." - Tonto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #19 August 22, 2003 QuoteDo we really need yet another forum for him to work on ? ..which would then imply that the current forums are lacking in their ability to cater for this proposed new line of instructor threads... even after several months/years of existence. The site is evolving and growing. About 3 1/2 years ago when I first came to dropzone.com there were 3 different forums, you can see how its grown from there. Just in the past year Base, Wingsuit and Women have been added to the forum list. This isn't something that HH is unwilling to do, he's just watching to see if there's enough intrest to impliment it. The growing number of Instructor specific threads is what has brought people, other then myself, to start calling for an Instructor's forum. A place to keep threads, that may have been buried under many other threads in a different forum, in an easily accessable place. All this can do is help instructors find information that is related to instructing and help jumpers who are wanting to persue ratings a place to read and learn specifically about those instruction disiciplines. As for it being difficult for HH to create another forum, nope. It is actually very simple to do with the forum software he is running.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites metalslug 36 #20 August 22, 2003 I DO respect the comments of instructors here. This is largely why I think a separate instructors forum is not a good idea. I'd like to read their opinions in the common forums that already exist on a particular discipline. I cant figure why, for example, a CReW instructor would have something to say concerning CReW that should rather be placed in an Instructors forum rather than the CReW forum. Surely the topic would be of interest to CReW pups too, right ? ..so why make people scan multiple forums to chase down all the latest news on CreW instruction? Why not just keep the eggs in one basket ? I am possibly being a little unfair in my interpretation of this idea.. but the other reasons for needing an Instructors forum just aren't clear to me yet.. I cant help but perceive an undertone of ego here. Are an instructor's posts on any skydiving discipline really so different from everyone else's so as to warrant an entirely separate forum ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #21 August 22, 2003 QuoteI cant figure why, for example, a CReW instructor would have something to say concerning CReW that should rather be placed in an Instructors forum rather than the CReW forum. Surely the topic would be of interest to CReW pups too, right ? ..so why make people scan multiple forums to chase down all the latest news on CreW instruction? See, this is where your inexperience is skewing your perseption. We're talking about a forum for Instructors, in instructional disciplines that require ratings. For instance in the US it would be as follows: AFF, SL/IAD, TM, USPA Coach. Sure we have people who coach others in various forms of skydiving, but I'm talking about honest to go, dealing with extreme-low-time jumpers, for instance sub 20 jumps, sub 10 jumps and especially first jump students. The kind of instructing you have to have a rating for. It is a very different world of skydiving, there's a lot of issues that have come up on DZ.com in the past and there will continue to be issues dealing with those situations. That is why a specific Instructors forum would be valuable.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #22 August 22, 2003 Quote.. I cant help but perceive an undertone of ego here. Perceive what you want, I'm definately not trying to do anything of the sort.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Tonto 1 #23 August 22, 2003 QuoteDoes skydiving have things to hide that students should never hear about ? Is there some 'cruel truth' that newbies simply dont deserve to hear about until they may one day be so grand as to get instructor ratings themselves. IMO - yes. In the skydiving world - you are a newborn. A somewhat vocal but self aware creature mouthing off about the world when all it's experienced has come through the nipple on the bottle filled by your instructors - and adminisered with love and care at exactly the right time and tempreture. I don't think, at this time, as a newborn, you need to know about MSG, or genetically modified foods. Or alcohol, or rape or porn or war or ecconomics. Right now, every bit of your intelect and being should be directed at growth - and survival. You're not ready to hear your 2 favorite instructors strongly disagreeing with the correct procedure for a pilot chute in tow, or a dual canopy situation - paticularly when the option of disconnecting an RSL is not available to you, as it is at your DZ. To do so would cause doubt - uncertainty. As instructors we know that death follows those two around. Now go and tell Ralph what a pipe you've been and let him smack you for me, and then go and tell Roy and Carlos why. My bet is you will find them in the sun this weekend - not the shade. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skymama 37 #24 August 22, 2003 QuoteThen do you think some of the forums should be consolidated? Maybe FF and Wingsuit or something like that? FF and Wingsuit? Do you see those as cross-over disciplines? I've never put on a wingsuit even with having Jari at my home dz, and I know wingsuit flyers who can barely hold a sit. I'm not against having an Instructor's forum at all, I just found it odd that you would combine those other two.She is Da Man, and you better not mess with Da Man, because she will lay some keepdown on you faster than, well, really fast. ~Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #25 August 22, 2003 Sorry Mama, those were just the first two that came to mind. Nope, I don't see those as cross-over disciplines at all. I think about the only thing similar between the two is that you were a rig and jump out of a plane. Nope, not suggesting that HH take away your forum. --"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 1 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. 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AggieDave 6 #19 August 22, 2003 QuoteDo we really need yet another forum for him to work on ? ..which would then imply that the current forums are lacking in their ability to cater for this proposed new line of instructor threads... even after several months/years of existence. The site is evolving and growing. About 3 1/2 years ago when I first came to dropzone.com there were 3 different forums, you can see how its grown from there. Just in the past year Base, Wingsuit and Women have been added to the forum list. This isn't something that HH is unwilling to do, he's just watching to see if there's enough intrest to impliment it. The growing number of Instructor specific threads is what has brought people, other then myself, to start calling for an Instructor's forum. A place to keep threads, that may have been buried under many other threads in a different forum, in an easily accessable place. All this can do is help instructors find information that is related to instructing and help jumpers who are wanting to persue ratings a place to read and learn specifically about those instruction disiciplines. As for it being difficult for HH to create another forum, nope. It is actually very simple to do with the forum software he is running.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
metalslug 36 #20 August 22, 2003 I DO respect the comments of instructors here. This is largely why I think a separate instructors forum is not a good idea. I'd like to read their opinions in the common forums that already exist on a particular discipline. I cant figure why, for example, a CReW instructor would have something to say concerning CReW that should rather be placed in an Instructors forum rather than the CReW forum. Surely the topic would be of interest to CReW pups too, right ? ..so why make people scan multiple forums to chase down all the latest news on CreW instruction? Why not just keep the eggs in one basket ? I am possibly being a little unfair in my interpretation of this idea.. but the other reasons for needing an Instructors forum just aren't clear to me yet.. I cant help but perceive an undertone of ego here. Are an instructor's posts on any skydiving discipline really so different from everyone else's so as to warrant an entirely separate forum ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #21 August 22, 2003 QuoteI cant figure why, for example, a CReW instructor would have something to say concerning CReW that should rather be placed in an Instructors forum rather than the CReW forum. Surely the topic would be of interest to CReW pups too, right ? ..so why make people scan multiple forums to chase down all the latest news on CreW instruction? See, this is where your inexperience is skewing your perseption. We're talking about a forum for Instructors, in instructional disciplines that require ratings. For instance in the US it would be as follows: AFF, SL/IAD, TM, USPA Coach. Sure we have people who coach others in various forms of skydiving, but I'm talking about honest to go, dealing with extreme-low-time jumpers, for instance sub 20 jumps, sub 10 jumps and especially first jump students. The kind of instructing you have to have a rating for. It is a very different world of skydiving, there's a lot of issues that have come up on DZ.com in the past and there will continue to be issues dealing with those situations. That is why a specific Instructors forum would be valuable.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #22 August 22, 2003 Quote.. I cant help but perceive an undertone of ego here. Perceive what you want, I'm definately not trying to do anything of the sort.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #23 August 22, 2003 QuoteDoes skydiving have things to hide that students should never hear about ? Is there some 'cruel truth' that newbies simply dont deserve to hear about until they may one day be so grand as to get instructor ratings themselves. IMO - yes. In the skydiving world - you are a newborn. A somewhat vocal but self aware creature mouthing off about the world when all it's experienced has come through the nipple on the bottle filled by your instructors - and adminisered with love and care at exactly the right time and tempreture. I don't think, at this time, as a newborn, you need to know about MSG, or genetically modified foods. Or alcohol, or rape or porn or war or ecconomics. Right now, every bit of your intelect and being should be directed at growth - and survival. You're not ready to hear your 2 favorite instructors strongly disagreeing with the correct procedure for a pilot chute in tow, or a dual canopy situation - paticularly when the option of disconnecting an RSL is not available to you, as it is at your DZ. To do so would cause doubt - uncertainty. As instructors we know that death follows those two around. Now go and tell Ralph what a pipe you've been and let him smack you for me, and then go and tell Roy and Carlos why. My bet is you will find them in the sun this weekend - not the shade. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymama 37 #24 August 22, 2003 QuoteThen do you think some of the forums should be consolidated? Maybe FF and Wingsuit or something like that? FF and Wingsuit? Do you see those as cross-over disciplines? I've never put on a wingsuit even with having Jari at my home dz, and I know wingsuit flyers who can barely hold a sit. I'm not against having an Instructor's forum at all, I just found it odd that you would combine those other two.She is Da Man, and you better not mess with Da Man, because she will lay some keepdown on you faster than, well, really fast. ~Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #25 August 22, 2003 Sorry Mama, those were just the first two that came to mind. Nope, I don't see those as cross-over disciplines at all. I think about the only thing similar between the two is that you were a rig and jump out of a plane. Nope, not suggesting that HH take away your forum. --"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
