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I think this guy has a serious fixation on race. He identifies himself by his race and therefore identifies others by their race as well.
I judge no one by their race and support no programs that do either.
I feel his construct of 'white privelige' is one of his own making. He'd be a much happier person if he were racially insensitive.
I judge no one by their race and support no programs that do either.
I feel his construct of 'white privelige' is one of his own making. He'd be a much happier person if he were racially insensitive.
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But do you benefit from the fact that a lot of other people (many of them unconciously) judge by race? That's what it's about. And if that's an advantage, why is it fair?
Wendy W.
Wendy W.
There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)
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Wendy,
The other side of the privilege issue is figuring out what we want to do about it? I see two approaches:
1)
Establish the current situation as the standard, with calculated and measured remedies that attempt to right things by intentionally trying to discriminate against an opposite group.
2)
Work to the best of our abilities to treat people equally and deal with everyone without regard to their race, religion, etc. Punish the discrimination we find and seek to eliminate it all.
Codifying the "remedies" to discrimination only perpetuates the problem by artificially shifting a small amount of the discrimination to another group in a sanctioned manner. Do we want to create a pendulum of problems, always taking turns between groups?
Nobody can see the world through through eyes and emotions that aren't born of their life's experiences. But we can attempt to be fair to the best of our ability. Education, openness and equality are the answers, not quotas, entitlements and further discrimination.
The other side of the privilege issue is figuring out what we want to do about it? I see two approaches:
1)
Establish the current situation as the standard, with calculated and measured remedies that attempt to right things by intentionally trying to discriminate against an opposite group.
2)
Work to the best of our abilities to treat people equally and deal with everyone without regard to their race, religion, etc. Punish the discrimination we find and seek to eliminate it all.
Codifying the "remedies" to discrimination only perpetuates the problem by artificially shifting a small amount of the discrimination to another group in a sanctioned manner. Do we want to create a pendulum of problems, always taking turns between groups?
Nobody can see the world through through eyes and emotions that aren't born of their life's experiences. But we can attempt to be fair to the best of our ability. Education, openness and equality are the answers, not quotas, entitlements and further discrimination.
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Wendy, you are such a sh*t disturber. 
Unfortunately the school system for which I teach is dealing with a Federal segregation issue that started over 20 years ago. Because students have been ability groups up until recently the govt has come down and waved their magic wand over us saying their way is the only "right" way to organize the system. The schools are now 78% black, 20% white, and 2% other. We are not allowed to group students for ANY reason except in my classroom and one other classroom because they are remedial classes. If you child just so happens to be in a classroom with no other peers then that is not a system problem, but yours as a parent. (Know that both my daughters have been lucky because they take Honors classes, but my oldest was the only female in a sex ed class with 25 black males, no I was NOT happy.) We have ACLU and NAACP in and out of the school on a regular basis. Whatever....I go to work and do my job to the best of my ability. Thankfully I'm good at it and can post whore some too.
I guess my point is it seems the whites are being punished rather than being treated equal. It is not my daughters faults that this happened over 20 years ago. It seems if you are white around here then you have to be that much better to get the same treatment as the blacks around here. My rant for the day....flame away.
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Unfortunately the school system for which I teach is dealing with a Federal segregation issue that started over 20 years ago. Because students have been ability groups up until recently the govt has come down and waved their magic wand over us saying their way is the only "right" way to organize the system. The schools are now 78% black, 20% white, and 2% other. We are not allowed to group students for ANY reason except in my classroom and one other classroom because they are remedial classes. If you child just so happens to be in a classroom with no other peers then that is not a system problem, but yours as a parent. (Know that both my daughters have been lucky because they take Honors classes, but my oldest was the only female in a sex ed class with 25 black males, no I was NOT happy.) We have ACLU and NAACP in and out of the school on a regular basis. Whatever....I go to work and do my job to the best of my ability. Thankfully I'm good at it and can post whore some too.
I guess my point is it seems the whites are being punished rather than being treated equal. It is not my daughters faults that this happened over 20 years ago. It seems if you are white around here then you have to be that much better to get the same treatment as the blacks around here. My rant for the day....flame away.
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QuoteI feel his construct of 'white privelige' is one of his own making. He'd be a much happier person if he were racially insensitive.
However you want to term it the fact is that in this society race is a factor in how your treated sometimes. It is not a construct and no matter what your personal values are it doesn't change the fact that it exists at all levels in american society
I am not racist. I figured I should get that out of the way first so that no one attacks me. But racial profiling is an issue because of real statistics. Non-whites typically are more likely to cause problems than whites.
But back to the original subject of privilege...
So, this guy says that whites have more privilege. I don't think this is the case. Why? Well, because technically, everyone has the same opportunity. I know several successful non-white people. Why are they successful? Because they TOOK ADVANTAGE OF THEIR OPPORTUNITY.
I'm going to turn the tables around for a minute and risk SOUNDING like a racist. A young African-American in school is given the same opportunity as a young Anglo-American. They take all the same classes, but at home, the African-American has parents grinding it into him that the white man is going to oppress him, and he'll never get anywhere. So, he quits trying to make good grades, maybe even drops out, ends up working as a stocker at a grocery store for the rest of his life. That was a choice. Why was the choice made? Because a lot of non-whites are a lot more racist than whites, and so they choose to believe that they aren't going to be given a chance to earn their privilege.
It reminds me of the recent ordeal in Dallas when Police Chief Terrell Bolton was fired...they claimed it was a "race" issue. Terrell Bolton, a black man, served as Chief of Police for nearly 20 years, and was replaced by a black man. Does that sound like a race issue? No, especially when you look at the recent crime figures and see that it's at its highest level in 17 years...
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But back to the original subject of privilege...
So, this guy says that whites have more privilege. I don't think this is the case. Why? Well, because technically, everyone has the same opportunity. I know several successful non-white people. Why are they successful? Because they TOOK ADVANTAGE OF THEIR OPPORTUNITY.
I'm going to turn the tables around for a minute and risk SOUNDING like a racist. A young African-American in school is given the same opportunity as a young Anglo-American. They take all the same classes, but at home, the African-American has parents grinding it into him that the white man is going to oppress him, and he'll never get anywhere. So, he quits trying to make good grades, maybe even drops out, ends up working as a stocker at a grocery store for the rest of his life. That was a choice. Why was the choice made? Because a lot of non-whites are a lot more racist than whites, and so they choose to believe that they aren't going to be given a chance to earn their privilege.
It reminds me of the recent ordeal in Dallas when Police Chief Terrell Bolton was fired...they claimed it was a "race" issue. Terrell Bolton, a black man, served as Chief of Police for nearly 20 years, and was replaced by a black man. Does that sound like a race issue? No, especially when you look at the recent crime figures and see that it's at its highest level in 17 years...
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QuoteSo you're saying you'd be OK with being searched more often, and having your green card requested, because of your Spanish surname?
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lol, thats funny that has never happened to me but lets puts this into perspective first. First of all the overwelming majority of Illegal imigrants are Mexicans (Aztecs) not, dare I say the holy word, CUBANS (white people of Spanish decent like me). Cops can see a difference without reading my lastname (Which I proudly hold as a real Rodriguez, not some silly group member). If they happen to be from Miami or Union City, NJ then the probably truly understand the difference. Typical Texas rednecks will just look at me and think I am some European American. They probably won't even know that Spain is in Europe and for that reason they will always do that same doubletake when they see my lastname is Rodriguez. The same double take I used to get at the Ranch when somebody I was jumping with asked my lastname so they could manifest me while I packed. I guess its sometimes funny when I see how little most people know about things that are not directly related to them. A common phrase is oh well you don't really look like a Rodriguez. (almost as if they think they are complimenting me by that) The fact however is that I know I do look like a Rodriguez, because Rodriguez is a Spanish last name, not like some Aztec that you see running across the Rio Grande.
Anyway should they ask them for their green cards when they see them, Hell yes! and deport them when you find they are here illegally while your at it. Me, I have never had a greencard, have have always been and American Citizen but there is no need to ask for that anyway because I have to show my CHL automatically anyway.If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass.
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Dude has a serious case of white guilt. Now that he has his pile, he's willing to handicap others by giving non-whites an unfair advantage over whites. What gall.
I have worked in government since 1987. I have always been much more qualified than necessary for each of my jobs. The reason is that most government bureaucracies are required to make an excuse when they hire or promote a white man. You see, they have a list of "targets" that they are supposed to reach, so many women, and so many of each of the different racial and cultural categories. If they chose me, they had to make an excuse, in writing, to the Affirmative Action Officer for not hiring a target. It is perfectly acceptable to have not a single white male in any government department. This is OK, because when my great grandparents were shop owners and farmers in France and Ireland, they were benefiting from the practice of slavery in the American South.
Somehow I still am, and fully deserve to be handicapped. See, I have had it so easy because I am a white man.
This nonsense has totally permeated the cultural psyche. For the 13 years I was on the street, whenever I contacted somebody for doing something suspicious, it was all about me oppressing them because of their "whatever". I was picking on whites cause the minorities had me cowed, and I was picking on blacks cause I was a racist.
It was absolutely hardest on the black officers, because they would hear no end about them being uncle Tom's while they made black neighborhoods safer.
Some recommended reading on the subject. I took a couple of sociology classes from this guy both as an undergrad and as a graduate student. Good reading.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0787227641/qid=1063127643/sr=1-3/ref=sr_1_3/103-2432238-7474252?v=glance&s=books
Do women and minorities have it harder. Yep. Does reinforcing a victim culture for them make it worse? Yep.
For any government job I am at a disadvantage against a "targeted" group. That is because if I am equally well qualified, I will lose the job to a targeted person. Period. So how was I modestly succesful? When the job required a GED I had a BA. When it required a BA I had an MPA.
And I have several nice ties
I have worked in government since 1987. I have always been much more qualified than necessary for each of my jobs. The reason is that most government bureaucracies are required to make an excuse when they hire or promote a white man. You see, they have a list of "targets" that they are supposed to reach, so many women, and so many of each of the different racial and cultural categories. If they chose me, they had to make an excuse, in writing, to the Affirmative Action Officer for not hiring a target. It is perfectly acceptable to have not a single white male in any government department. This is OK, because when my great grandparents were shop owners and farmers in France and Ireland, they were benefiting from the practice of slavery in the American South.
Somehow I still am, and fully deserve to be handicapped. See, I have had it so easy because I am a white man.
This nonsense has totally permeated the cultural psyche. For the 13 years I was on the street, whenever I contacted somebody for doing something suspicious, it was all about me oppressing them because of their "whatever". I was picking on whites cause the minorities had me cowed, and I was picking on blacks cause I was a racist.
It was absolutely hardest on the black officers, because they would hear no end about them being uncle Tom's while they made black neighborhoods safer.
Some recommended reading on the subject. I took a couple of sociology classes from this guy both as an undergrad and as a graduate student. Good reading.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0787227641/qid=1063127643/sr=1-3/ref=sr_1_3/103-2432238-7474252?v=glance&s=books
Do women and minorities have it harder. Yep. Does reinforcing a victim culture for them make it worse? Yep.
For any government job I am at a disadvantage against a "targeted" group. That is because if I am equally well qualified, I will lose the job to a targeted person. Period. So how was I modestly succesful? When the job required a GED I had a BA. When it required a BA I had an MPA.
And I have several nice ties
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QuoteI guess my point is it seems the whites are being punished rather than being treated equal. It is not my daughters faults that this happened over 20 years ago. It seems if you are white around here then you have to be that much better to get the same treatment as the blacks around here. My rant for the day....flame away.
We went through that exact same thing down here. When we moved here, my kids enrolled in an elementary school that was predominately white because it was in the more affluent area of town of educated people who could afford nicer houses. The next year, the city succumed to a desegregation order from 1972 because their Federal funds were going to be cut off. It divided the city into 2 clusters of 3 schools each. All the white kids had to list the schools in order that they wished to go to in their cluster, and then they were put into a lotto system based on some million dollar mathematical program. Any non-white child got to go to whichever school they wanted to. I guess because I had 2 white kids, we got our third choice school in inner city Sanford, a 25 minute bus ride away. There were 4 other schools closer to our house! Four different buses came into our neighborhood to take the kids to the 4 different schools. There was no sense of community left in the neighborhood for the kids. The irony of the situation is that they call their program "Choices". We had NO choice!
The kids got an ok education because we went to the Principal's office at the start of every year and pitched a fit that if they were going to use us for our white children, then we should at least get our choice in teacher. But, the kids were always complaining about how many disruptions there were in the classrooms, the bullies and how the cops had to be called out to the school a lot. The teachers had to continually stop the class to handle all the problems. Thankfully my kids are in middle school and high school now and back into their district. And, I make sure I tell all new people I know who are moving to the area about their lack of choice that they will have with this program. You work hard, go to college and get a good education so you can make a good living to raise your family and give your kids a good education, and it's all for nothing because of this type of program.
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Funny, for a while it seemed to me that Indian and Asian kids had all the advantages - they were the ones getting the scholarships, the good research projects and the good jobs after they graduated from the college I went to. What I didn't see was that there was another filter at work. Local kids from Boston who got into MIT could drop out and go to BU or whatever, but someone who gives up four years of his life to live in a foreign country is going to take his education a lot more seriously. Having a european last name put me in the distinct minority in classrooms full of Kims, Suns, Ramasubramanians and Okedas - especially once I got out of the required classes and into the electives.
It was interesting spending a few weeks in Africa. The people in the big cities hated whites - most of their experience was with rich white employers who tried to pay them as little as possible. Once you got out to the smaller towns they were a mix. Some racists, some people who didn't care much about what you looked like. In the small village I stayed in I was a big hit. They had never seen a white male in person before, and were very reserved until they found out I was just like Mary (peace corps volunteer) after which they thought I was the greatest thing since sliced bread. Their only experience with white people was with the peace corps, so from their perspective white people spent their time trying to help them dig new wells and add new crops to what they grew. All in all a lot more open to new people than many of the people I've met in Europe and the US.
It was interesting spending a few weeks in Africa. The people in the big cities hated whites - most of their experience was with rich white employers who tried to pay them as little as possible. Once you got out to the smaller towns they were a mix. Some racists, some people who didn't care much about what you looked like. In the small village I stayed in I was a big hit. They had never seen a white male in person before, and were very reserved until they found out I was just like Mary (peace corps volunteer) after which they thought I was the greatest thing since sliced bread. Their only experience with white people was with the peace corps, so from their perspective white people spent their time trying to help them dig new wells and add new crops to what they grew. All in all a lot more open to new people than many of the people I've met in Europe and the US.
QuoteWell, you know, as a white woman, not only was I almost never stopped, I have never been asked to put my hands on the hood to be patted down.
And you are how big? I can imagine the day that a police officer goes back to the station and says "There I was, routine stop, and this 5'1" 100 lb white woman leaps from the car and whups the crap out of me..."
Can't you just hear the sympathy?
I am a white man. I keep my hands on the steering wheel in plain sight. I don't make sudden moves and I try to be polite. The police car brights are shining in the back of the car, illuminating the entire car. They walk up to the car with their hand resting on their gun. Everytime. That is the process.
I get stopped a lot because I drive like an idiot.
Here's a quote from the good author, Mr. Robert Jensen:
"Like all white Americans, I was living with the fear that maybe I didn't really deserve my success, that maybe luck and privilege had more to do with it than brains and hard work. I was afraid I wasn't heroic or rugged, that I wasn't special."
Well, Mr. Jensen, I resent your suggestion that hard work didn't have to do with my place in this world.
My whiteness did not prevent me from living in poverty for the first ten years of my life.
My whiteness didn't prevent me from getting kicked out of college due to bad grades (even at the notoriously white UC Santa Barbara). My white luck and privilege had nothing to do with me getting back into school. Working my ass off day and night to get back into college (losing 75 pounds in the process of 4 month of sleepless nights from studying and working 80 hours per week to boot) was not the result of my privilege.
White luck had nothing to do with my graduating college debt-free. Brains and hard work did it.
White luck had nothing to do with getting my commission as an Army Officer. Nor was it luck for everyone I saw who made it though that process.
White luck and privilege had nothing to do with my being rejected from 6 law schools. My prior failures did.
White luck and privilege had nothing to do with my graduating law school and passing the Bar exam on the first try. Brains and hard work, and sheer endurance did it, even at the expense of some relationships for many of us. Each of my associates know all too well the pain and agony and tears of our accomplishments.
I don't want to be heroic or special. Most Americans want to do their jobs well. But, there isn't anybody out there who likes anyone saying, "I didn't deserve it. It wasn't hard work or brains that got me where I am." I studied 14 hours a day for 6 weeks of my summer. I could have passed that exam if I didn't study, right? I'm obviously bigoted for suggesting that. I guess I am just not special.
Cry me a river, Mr. Jensen. And up yours for the suggestion that I don't deserve what I worked my ass off to achieve. I resent you suggesting that the $110k in student debt was my "privilege." And when you look at my office wall, and see my doctorate degree, my Commission, my bachelor's degree, and my admission to the California Bar, I would gladly close the door and provide a little heart to heart with you about how much "luck and privilege" had to do with it.
"All white Americans" do not share your concerns. Americans can't spend time thinking and writing about how privileged they have been? And why is that?
Because we've got work to do. And my female boss will rip me a new one if I don't.
Now, I must get back to representing someone who truly has a problem. And not a problem with not feeling "special."
edited to take out cuss words. Sorry for my anger.
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"Like all white Americans, I was living with the fear that maybe I didn't really deserve my success, that maybe luck and privilege had more to do with it than brains and hard work. I was afraid I wasn't heroic or rugged, that I wasn't special."
Well, Mr. Jensen, I resent your suggestion that hard work didn't have to do with my place in this world.
My whiteness did not prevent me from living in poverty for the first ten years of my life.
My whiteness didn't prevent me from getting kicked out of college due to bad grades (even at the notoriously white UC Santa Barbara). My white luck and privilege had nothing to do with me getting back into school. Working my ass off day and night to get back into college (losing 75 pounds in the process of 4 month of sleepless nights from studying and working 80 hours per week to boot) was not the result of my privilege.
White luck had nothing to do with my graduating college debt-free. Brains and hard work did it.
White luck had nothing to do with getting my commission as an Army Officer. Nor was it luck for everyone I saw who made it though that process.
White luck and privilege had nothing to do with my being rejected from 6 law schools. My prior failures did.
White luck and privilege had nothing to do with my graduating law school and passing the Bar exam on the first try. Brains and hard work, and sheer endurance did it, even at the expense of some relationships for many of us. Each of my associates know all too well the pain and agony and tears of our accomplishments.
I don't want to be heroic or special. Most Americans want to do their jobs well. But, there isn't anybody out there who likes anyone saying, "I didn't deserve it. It wasn't hard work or brains that got me where I am." I studied 14 hours a day for 6 weeks of my summer. I could have passed that exam if I didn't study, right? I'm obviously bigoted for suggesting that. I guess I am just not special.
Cry me a river, Mr. Jensen. And up yours for the suggestion that I don't deserve what I worked my ass off to achieve. I resent you suggesting that the $110k in student debt was my "privilege." And when you look at my office wall, and see my doctorate degree, my Commission, my bachelor's degree, and my admission to the California Bar, I would gladly close the door and provide a little heart to heart with you about how much "luck and privilege" had to do with it.
"All white Americans" do not share your concerns. Americans can't spend time thinking and writing about how privileged they have been? And why is that?
Because we've got work to do. And my female boss will rip me a new one if I don't.
Now, I must get back to representing someone who truly has a problem. And not a problem with not feeling "special."
edited to take out cuss words. Sorry for my anger.
My wife is hotter than your wife.
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Oh geeze Im a white male...I am so sorry.
Except the fact that I grew up in Memphis and was subjected to more harassment and discrimination from the black kids that were bussed into my school than I EVER dished out.
I was attacked twice...the reason? I was a 5'6" white kid.
When one of my attackers was finaly caught (Trying to jump me again) he said the only reason he went after me was because I was white. I almost got suspended for kicking the shit out of him the second time he attacked me while he was alone.
I have seen people get passed over for promotion to have a less qualified black or female...Or bonus a black female! Just to meet quotas.
Do I get over since I am a white male? Maybe. But I don't ask for it, and I have no proof that is why I have gotten what I have...No secret handshake, no knowing winks.
I have been subjected to higher levels of discrimination than I have ever given out.
I say treat people EQUAL...not better. And this goes for whites,and blacks as well as every other race.
And MOST programs in place to help minorities, discriminate more than what would happen without the programs.
As for the cops using profiles to target criminals....How many 50 year old ladies mug people? How many 20 year old white females go out and rape people?
It works.
Except the fact that I grew up in Memphis and was subjected to more harassment and discrimination from the black kids that were bussed into my school than I EVER dished out.
I was attacked twice...the reason? I was a 5'6" white kid.
When one of my attackers was finaly caught (Trying to jump me again) he said the only reason he went after me was because I was white. I almost got suspended for kicking the shit out of him the second time he attacked me while he was alone.
I have seen people get passed over for promotion to have a less qualified black or female...Or bonus a black female! Just to meet quotas.
Do I get over since I am a white male? Maybe. But I don't ask for it, and I have no proof that is why I have gotten what I have...No secret handshake, no knowing winks.
I have been subjected to higher levels of discrimination than I have ever given out.
I say treat people EQUAL...not better. And this goes for whites,and blacks as well as every other race.
And MOST programs in place to help minorities, discriminate more than what would happen without the programs.
As for the cops using profiles to target criminals....How many 50 year old ladies mug people? How many 20 year old white females go out and rape people?
It works.
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334
Amazingly said! That is probably the best post in this thread yet....
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Same here...........
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If I benefit because someone else is a racially prejudiced bigot, that's not my problem.
Affirmative action infuriates me. I'm from Appalachia, went to school in the city, have done volunteer work in several cities in which I've lived, and while an undergrad worked as a tutor for the Office of Minority Education and Development (where I learned to hate AA with a fervor). I know AA pretty well and I don't like it.
I feel this program encourages people to identify themselves and others by their race and is a detriment to society. Its defenders have yet to convince me otherwise.
Affirmative action infuriates me. I'm from Appalachia, went to school in the city, have done volunteer work in several cities in which I've lived, and while an undergrad worked as a tutor for the Office of Minority Education and Development (where I learned to hate AA with a fervor). I know AA pretty well and I don't like it.
I feel this program encourages people to identify themselves and others by their race and is a detriment to society. Its defenders have yet to convince me otherwise.
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This is article is a crock. I am a "non-white" person. I worked my ass off in high school and life to get into one of the best colleges in the country, not because of the color of my skin, but what I learned. Now I am in my final year at the Academy, and will soon be a 2Lt in the Air Force. I have never depended on what I look like, but what I have learned to get me through life.
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QuoteWork to the best of our abilities to treat people equally and deal with everyone without regard to their race, religion, etc. Punish the discrimination we find and seek to eliminate it all.
Amen to that. Problem - we are not allowed to act this way.
Most of the issues in the threads comes down to that. Affirmative action is discrimination.
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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants
Not exactly the same, but nothing is ever exactly the same. That's why there aren't a lot of all-purpose answers. Defining the difference between experience and prejudice is difficult -- if you find it to be easy, then you're probably doing it wrong.
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