CrazyIvan 0 #1 September 13, 2003 ...and you might even lose your home. WTF? http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/South/09/12/cnna.flag.fight/index.html__________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,584 #2 September 13, 2003 Having an illegal flagpole can get you into trouble with your HOA. HOA's kinda suck anyway. But they probably wouldn't have any trouble with him having a pole on his house that sticks out. But they're targeting him for having a flagpole, not for being patriotic. Breaking the rules in a patriotic manner leaves them just as broken. Even if they're chickenshit rules (I can't paint my house in pastel colors, or have a play fort with a canvas roof in the back yard) Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyIvan 0 #3 September 13, 2003 I understand what you're saying....but just plain SUCKS.__________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #4 September 13, 2003 Quote...and you might even lose your home. WTF? http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/South/09/12/cnna.flag.fight/index.html I like flags and fly one at my house from time to time. However, the presumption is that when he moved into the neighborhood he agreed implicitly to abide by the rules they set up. Most likely there's a legally binding covenant or something of that description. If he didn't like their rules, he had the option of living elsewhere. My neighborhood prohibits parking vans and trucks overnight within sight of the road, and requires that we keep our grass shorter than 6". Those that don't like the rules don't move in here.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nightjumps 1 #5 September 13, 2003 Well... IMO, he is in the wrong. Its not about the American Flag. Its about ANY flag on a flagpole. When he bought his home, he signed a covenant's contract. He agreed to honor the covenants when he signed. You think we'd be having this discussion if the flag was a skull & crossbones, or a state flag, or a Harley flag? Just more media sensationalism. If you buy a home that has a "covenants" clause and you agree to abide by the determinations of the Homeowners Association, then you have to abide by those covenants. If you don't like the covenants; walk away. He agreed prior to 1999 and signed the agreement. And, since 9/11 he probably decided to show his patriotism and go against the covenants. Then, when he was called on it, played his Marine/Patriotism card and turned it into a fight. I spent 15 years in the Army, believe vehemently in the constitution, apple pie, mom, and chevrolet, etc. He can demonstrate his patriotism in other ways. Go get a Marine corps tattoo on one arm and the US flag on the other, put a flag on his car, buy a US savings bond, etc. Sorry, but the tears ain't flowing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #6 September 13, 2003 I've been thinking of drugging and kidnapping people then tatooing the american flag across their faces before releasing them. Then if I get caught and prosecuted I'll claim a first amendment right to patriotic expression. I'm sure I'll win. After all, it's only american! If the crime involves an american flag, how can it be a crime? Hmmm. How about wearing clothes with american flag designs while robbing bank? Murdering enemies by stuffing a flag down their throats? Spraypainting flags on random parked cars? I'm sure it's all defensible. I think I'll just change my name to "American Flag". Then I'll be immune to all laws. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MC208B 0 #7 September 13, 2003 Geez Ivan, lots of bone headed responses to your post huh? CCR's suck and in the area where I bought my home, the neighborhood busybodies only fuck with renters, go figure Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #8 September 13, 2003 Kallend is totally right and I'm not saying that under the influence of drugs right now. At my house, you're not allowed to have any cars parked in the road. My brother is not allowed to have his boat in his driveway. It has to be kept in his garage (if it will fit) or dock it. This is becoming more and more common with HOA's. Chris _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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skybytch 273 #10 September 13, 2003 QuoteSo what's new? ROFLMFAO!!!!!! Noice! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freefallfreak 0 #11 September 13, 2003 QuoteQuoteKallend is totally right QuoteKallend is totally right QuoteKallend is totally right QuoteKallend is totally right QuoteKallend is totally right QuoteKallend is totally right QuoteKallend is totally right QuoteKallend is totally right QuoteKallend is totally right QuoteKallend is totally right QuoteKallend is totally right QuoteKallend is totally right Uhh, would that be 12 BEERS? TripleF Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Muenkel 0 #12 September 13, 2003 LMFAO _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites squirrel 0 #13 September 13, 2003 my buddy just moved out of a house under a HOA, they are the rebirth of the devil. anyone who would buy into someone else telling you want to do on this level should have thier head examined...didnt we leave all this shit when we got out of kindergarden? ________________________________ Where is Darwin when you need him? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ryoder 1,590 #14 September 13, 2003 QuoteWell... IMO, he is in the wrong. Its not about the American Flag. Its about ANY flag on a flagpole. When he bought his home, he signed a covenant's contract. He agreed to honor the covenants when he signed. You aren't getting the whole story. I saw this story on 20/20. There was *NO* prohibition on flagpoles until *AFTER* he put it up! Also, his immediate neighbors *SUPPORT* him. http://abcnews.go.com/sections/2020/GiveMeABreak/gmab_pettyneighbors030702.html After seeing John Stossel's interview with him, and the interviews with the women in charge of the HOA, it is obvious that the HOA is run by a bunch of old bitchy bags whose only goal in life is to force their views onto other people. Incidentally the guy's property is very large, and the flagpole looks just fine. The size of the house causes the pole to appear just as appropriate as the flagpole in front of any large municipal building."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,146 #15 September 13, 2003 QuoteQuoteWell... IMO, he is in the wrong. Its not about the American Flag. Its about ANY flag on a flagpole. When he bought his home, he signed a covenant's contract. He agreed to honor the covenants when he signed. You aren't getting the whole story. I saw this story on 20/20. There was *NO* prohibition on flagpoles until *AFTER* he put it up! Also, his immediate neighbors *SUPPORT* him. http://abcnews.go.com/sections/2020/GiveMeABreak/gmab_pettyneighbors030702.html After seeing John Stossel's interview with him, and the interviews with the women in charge of the HOA, it is obvious that the HOA is run by a bunch of old bitchy bags whose only goal in life is to force their views onto other people. Incidentally the guy's property is very large, and the flagpole looks just fine. The size of the house causes the pole to appear just as appropriate as the flagpole in front of any large municipal building. Are you only bound to obey laws that were in force at the time of your birth? Do all laws have to make sense? Do you get to pick and choose? Now I have no clue as to the nature of his agreement with his HOA, but the creation of new rules is quite within the bounds of legality. If they had no legal grounds for complaint there wouldn't be all this fuss, would there? He'd just tell them to f*** off and mind their own business and that would be that.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ryoder 1,590 #16 September 13, 2003 Quote Are you only bound to obey laws that were in force at the time of your birth? Do all laws have to make sense? Do you get to pick and choose? Now I have no clue as to the nature of his agreement with his HOA, but the creation of new rules is quite within the bounds of legality. If they had no legal grounds for complaint there wouldn't be all this fuss, would there? He'd just tell them to f*** off and mind their own business and that would be that. 1. We are not talking about laws; We are taling about a contract. He agreed to the contract when he bought the property. He was not violating the contract when he put up the pole. But after the HOA decided they didn't like the pole, they added a prohibition to the covenant. 2. The ultimate purpose of a covenant is to protect the property values and rights of the members of the community. Now if the pole was such an eyesore that it would harm the property values, his immediate neighbors are the very ones who would be harmed most. But his immediate neighbors not only support him, but they have filed lawsuits against the HOA for wasting HOA money prosecuting him. This is outside the bounds of common sense."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites WFFC 1 #17 September 13, 2003 QuoteYou aren't getting the whole story. Robert- They got the whole story. Your's is a different guy, same problem though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ryoder 1,590 #18 September 13, 2003 QuoteQuoteYou aren't getting the whole story. Robert- They got the whole story. Your's is a different guy, same problem though. Well I'll be damned; You're right. It sounded so identical, that I didn't double-check the names."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mjosparky 4 #19 September 13, 2003 QuoteQuote Are you only bound to obey laws that were in force at the time of your birth? Do all laws have to make sense? Do you get to pick and choose? Now I have no clue as to the nature of his agreement with his HOA, but the creation of new rules is quite within the bounds of legality. If they had no legal grounds for complaint there wouldn't be all this fuss, would there? He'd just tell them to f*** off and mind their own business and that would be that. 1. We are not talking about laws; We are taling about a contract. He agreed to the contract when he bought the property. He was not violating the contract when he put up the pole. But after the HOA decided they didn't like the pole, theprohibition to the covenant. pury added a 2. The ultimate pose of a covenant is to protect the property values and rights of the members of the community. Now if the pole was such an eyesore that it would harm the property values, his immediate neighbors are the very ones who would be harmed most. But his immediate neighbors not only support him, but they have filed lawsuits against the HOA for wasting HOA money prosecuting him. This is outside the bounds of common sense. First of all the HOA's is the home owners of which he is one. Any change to the CCR's has to be voted on and passed by the membership of the HOA. Now he either did not attend the meeting and express his views or if he did not many people were impressed and voted against the pole. The HOA is not some foreign power that come in and takes over, it is HIM.My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #20 September 13, 2003 (sarcasm on) Yep, You can burn the flag, piss on it, paint swastica's on it, wipe your butt with it. But he can't fly it. Go figure. Bet if he desecrated it and they tried to stop him, he'd get support from the ACLU. Yep worst site I could imagine is if everyone in his community started flying the flag. Can you imagine a greater eyesore than every home with an American flag in front of it? What's this world coming to? (sarcasm off) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,146 #21 September 14, 2003 QuoteQuote Are you only bound to obey laws that were in force at the time of your birth? Do all laws have to make sense? Do you get to pick and choose? Now I have no clue as to the nature of his agreement with his HOA, but the creation of new rules is quite within the bounds of legality. If they had no legal grounds for complaint there wouldn't be all this fuss, would there? He'd just tell them to f*** off and mind their own business and that would be that. 1. We are not talking about laws; We are taling about a contract. He agreed to the contract when he bought the property. He was not violating the contract when he put up the pole. But after the HOA decided they didn't like the pole, they added a prohibition to the covenant. 2. The ultimate purpose of a covenant is to protect the property values and rights of the members of the community. Now if the pole was such an eyesore that it would harm the property values, his immediate neighbors are the very ones who would be harmed most. But his immediate neighbors not only support him, but they have filed lawsuits against the HOA for wasting HOA money prosecuting him. This is outside the bounds of common sense. What has common sense got to do with it? Common sense would dictate some accommodation BEFORE it made it to the newspapers and the courts. Either the covenant is legally enforcible, in which case he has no case, or it isn't, in which case the HOA can't do anything. The fact that it's made it this far suggests to me that the covenant is enforcible - in which case it becomes a matter of civil law. But I know no more factual detail than was reported.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,146 #22 September 14, 2003 Quote(sarcasm on) Yep, You can burn the flag, piss on it, paint swastica's on it, wipe your butt with it. But he can't fly it. Go figure. Bet if he desecrated it and they tried to stop him, he'd get support from the ACLU. Yep worst site I could imagine is if everyone in his community started flying the flag. Can you imagine a greater eyesore than every home with an American flag in front of it? What's this world coming to? (sarcasm off) As has been said very frequently before, the Bill of Rights is more important as a protector of unpopular but legal activities than of popular ones.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ryoder 1,590 #23 September 14, 2003 Quote What has common sense got to do with it? Common sense would dictate some accommodation BEFORE it made it to the newspapers and the courts. Well, since the link I posted was in fact a different story than the one that started this thread, I'm not sure which one you are referencing, but since I am more familiar with the "20/20" story, I will address that one. - The guy broke no rules when he put up the pole, but the HOA added a new rule after the fact. - Fifteen of the guy's immediate neighbors, not only had no problem with the pole, but they are filing suit against the HOA for wasting their HOA dues on a frivolous lawsuit. Having seen interviews with both the guy and the woman who runs the HOA, it is understandable how it wound up in court: - The guy is a war vet who went through hell serving his country and watched his buddies die. For some some strange reason, he thinks it should be his right to put a flag pole in his own yard. - The HOA chairman is a hard-headed old bat who insists that all HOA members better do what she demands, or else. She has no concept of compromise. So you get two stubborn people, and it winds up in court. Now bear in mind I am not a flag-waver, nor would I ever support anti-flag-burning legislation, but taking this guy to court over a flag pole that is no taller than his house, is just plain dumb. Like John Stossel said, "Give me a break.""There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ChasingBlueSky 0 #24 September 14, 2003 We had something close to this happen here in Chicago - but after it made the news, the HOA buckled under the pressure and removed their rule that you could only display one flag at a time, and that it had to be an "official country flag" and nothing else. The owner in question was flying an Air Force flag next to her American flag while her son was serving in Iraq._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,146 #25 September 14, 2003 Quote - The guy is a war vet who went through hell serving his country and watched his buddies die. For some some strange reason, he thinks it should be his right to put a flag pole in his own yard. Timothy McVeigh was a war veteran too. Being a veteran is not a license for breaking rules.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. 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Muenkel 0 #12 September 13, 2003 LMFAO _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
squirrel 0 #13 September 13, 2003 my buddy just moved out of a house under a HOA, they are the rebirth of the devil. anyone who would buy into someone else telling you want to do on this level should have thier head examined...didnt we leave all this shit when we got out of kindergarden? ________________________________ Where is Darwin when you need him? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #14 September 13, 2003 QuoteWell... IMO, he is in the wrong. Its not about the American Flag. Its about ANY flag on a flagpole. When he bought his home, he signed a covenant's contract. He agreed to honor the covenants when he signed. You aren't getting the whole story. I saw this story on 20/20. There was *NO* prohibition on flagpoles until *AFTER* he put it up! Also, his immediate neighbors *SUPPORT* him. http://abcnews.go.com/sections/2020/GiveMeABreak/gmab_pettyneighbors030702.html After seeing John Stossel's interview with him, and the interviews with the women in charge of the HOA, it is obvious that the HOA is run by a bunch of old bitchy bags whose only goal in life is to force their views onto other people. Incidentally the guy's property is very large, and the flagpole looks just fine. The size of the house causes the pole to appear just as appropriate as the flagpole in front of any large municipal building."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #15 September 13, 2003 QuoteQuoteWell... IMO, he is in the wrong. Its not about the American Flag. Its about ANY flag on a flagpole. When he bought his home, he signed a covenant's contract. He agreed to honor the covenants when he signed. You aren't getting the whole story. I saw this story on 20/20. There was *NO* prohibition on flagpoles until *AFTER* he put it up! Also, his immediate neighbors *SUPPORT* him. http://abcnews.go.com/sections/2020/GiveMeABreak/gmab_pettyneighbors030702.html After seeing John Stossel's interview with him, and the interviews with the women in charge of the HOA, it is obvious that the HOA is run by a bunch of old bitchy bags whose only goal in life is to force their views onto other people. Incidentally the guy's property is very large, and the flagpole looks just fine. The size of the house causes the pole to appear just as appropriate as the flagpole in front of any large municipal building. Are you only bound to obey laws that were in force at the time of your birth? Do all laws have to make sense? Do you get to pick and choose? Now I have no clue as to the nature of his agreement with his HOA, but the creation of new rules is quite within the bounds of legality. If they had no legal grounds for complaint there wouldn't be all this fuss, would there? He'd just tell them to f*** off and mind their own business and that would be that.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #16 September 13, 2003 Quote Are you only bound to obey laws that were in force at the time of your birth? Do all laws have to make sense? Do you get to pick and choose? Now I have no clue as to the nature of his agreement with his HOA, but the creation of new rules is quite within the bounds of legality. If they had no legal grounds for complaint there wouldn't be all this fuss, would there? He'd just tell them to f*** off and mind their own business and that would be that. 1. We are not talking about laws; We are taling about a contract. He agreed to the contract when he bought the property. He was not violating the contract when he put up the pole. But after the HOA decided they didn't like the pole, they added a prohibition to the covenant. 2. The ultimate purpose of a covenant is to protect the property values and rights of the members of the community. Now if the pole was such an eyesore that it would harm the property values, his immediate neighbors are the very ones who would be harmed most. But his immediate neighbors not only support him, but they have filed lawsuits against the HOA for wasting HOA money prosecuting him. This is outside the bounds of common sense."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WFFC 1 #17 September 13, 2003 QuoteYou aren't getting the whole story. Robert- They got the whole story. Your's is a different guy, same problem though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #18 September 13, 2003 QuoteQuoteYou aren't getting the whole story. Robert- They got the whole story. Your's is a different guy, same problem though. Well I'll be damned; You're right. It sounded so identical, that I didn't double-check the names."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #19 September 13, 2003 QuoteQuote Are you only bound to obey laws that were in force at the time of your birth? Do all laws have to make sense? Do you get to pick and choose? Now I have no clue as to the nature of his agreement with his HOA, but the creation of new rules is quite within the bounds of legality. If they had no legal grounds for complaint there wouldn't be all this fuss, would there? He'd just tell them to f*** off and mind their own business and that would be that. 1. We are not talking about laws; We are taling about a contract. He agreed to the contract when he bought the property. He was not violating the contract when he put up the pole. But after the HOA decided they didn't like the pole, theprohibition to the covenant. pury added a 2. The ultimate pose of a covenant is to protect the property values and rights of the members of the community. Now if the pole was such an eyesore that it would harm the property values, his immediate neighbors are the very ones who would be harmed most. But his immediate neighbors not only support him, but they have filed lawsuits against the HOA for wasting HOA money prosecuting him. This is outside the bounds of common sense. First of all the HOA's is the home owners of which he is one. Any change to the CCR's has to be voted on and passed by the membership of the HOA. Now he either did not attend the meeting and express his views or if he did not many people were impressed and voted against the pole. The HOA is not some foreign power that come in and takes over, it is HIM.My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #20 September 13, 2003 (sarcasm on) Yep, You can burn the flag, piss on it, paint swastica's on it, wipe your butt with it. But he can't fly it. Go figure. Bet if he desecrated it and they tried to stop him, he'd get support from the ACLU. Yep worst site I could imagine is if everyone in his community started flying the flag. Can you imagine a greater eyesore than every home with an American flag in front of it? What's this world coming to? (sarcasm off) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #21 September 14, 2003 QuoteQuote Are you only bound to obey laws that were in force at the time of your birth? Do all laws have to make sense? Do you get to pick and choose? Now I have no clue as to the nature of his agreement with his HOA, but the creation of new rules is quite within the bounds of legality. If they had no legal grounds for complaint there wouldn't be all this fuss, would there? He'd just tell them to f*** off and mind their own business and that would be that. 1. We are not talking about laws; We are taling about a contract. He agreed to the contract when he bought the property. He was not violating the contract when he put up the pole. But after the HOA decided they didn't like the pole, they added a prohibition to the covenant. 2. The ultimate purpose of a covenant is to protect the property values and rights of the members of the community. Now if the pole was such an eyesore that it would harm the property values, his immediate neighbors are the very ones who would be harmed most. But his immediate neighbors not only support him, but they have filed lawsuits against the HOA for wasting HOA money prosecuting him. This is outside the bounds of common sense. What has common sense got to do with it? Common sense would dictate some accommodation BEFORE it made it to the newspapers and the courts. Either the covenant is legally enforcible, in which case he has no case, or it isn't, in which case the HOA can't do anything. The fact that it's made it this far suggests to me that the covenant is enforcible - in which case it becomes a matter of civil law. But I know no more factual detail than was reported.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #22 September 14, 2003 Quote(sarcasm on) Yep, You can burn the flag, piss on it, paint swastica's on it, wipe your butt with it. But he can't fly it. Go figure. Bet if he desecrated it and they tried to stop him, he'd get support from the ACLU. Yep worst site I could imagine is if everyone in his community started flying the flag. Can you imagine a greater eyesore than every home with an American flag in front of it? What's this world coming to? (sarcasm off) As has been said very frequently before, the Bill of Rights is more important as a protector of unpopular but legal activities than of popular ones.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #23 September 14, 2003 Quote What has common sense got to do with it? Common sense would dictate some accommodation BEFORE it made it to the newspapers and the courts. Well, since the link I posted was in fact a different story than the one that started this thread, I'm not sure which one you are referencing, but since I am more familiar with the "20/20" story, I will address that one. - The guy broke no rules when he put up the pole, but the HOA added a new rule after the fact. - Fifteen of the guy's immediate neighbors, not only had no problem with the pole, but they are filing suit against the HOA for wasting their HOA dues on a frivolous lawsuit. Having seen interviews with both the guy and the woman who runs the HOA, it is understandable how it wound up in court: - The guy is a war vet who went through hell serving his country and watched his buddies die. For some some strange reason, he thinks it should be his right to put a flag pole in his own yard. - The HOA chairman is a hard-headed old bat who insists that all HOA members better do what she demands, or else. She has no concept of compromise. So you get two stubborn people, and it winds up in court. Now bear in mind I am not a flag-waver, nor would I ever support anti-flag-burning legislation, but taking this guy to court over a flag pole that is no taller than his house, is just plain dumb. Like John Stossel said, "Give me a break.""There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #24 September 14, 2003 We had something close to this happen here in Chicago - but after it made the news, the HOA buckled under the pressure and removed their rule that you could only display one flag at a time, and that it had to be an "official country flag" and nothing else. The owner in question was flying an Air Force flag next to her American flag while her son was serving in Iraq._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #25 September 14, 2003 Quote - The guy is a war vet who went through hell serving his country and watched his buddies die. For some some strange reason, he thinks it should be his right to put a flag pole in his own yard. Timothy McVeigh was a war veteran too. Being a veteran is not a license for breaking rules.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
