Muenkel 0 #26 September 15, 2003 I've decided to send some money to GWB, because I am afraid he might be homeless comes Jan. 05. I doubt it, but there's always a chance. _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jfields 0 #27 September 15, 2003 QuoteI've decided to send some money to GWB, because I am afraid he might be homeless comes Jan. 05. If he is, he will make out like a bandit on the lecture circuit and with the corporate donations he'll be able to receive once out of office. I won't weep at all if he becomes unemployed. But if I saw him homeless on the other side of Pennsylvania Avenue; and he asked nicely and apologized for being deceitful, I'd buy him a happy meal. PS I wouldn't get into politics with you, except you keep taunting me like that! When we meet, you'll have ease up on the wide open places for jabs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dbattman 0 #28 September 15, 2003 QuoteOne of my favorite things to do, which actually is probably evil, is feed a parking meter just before it expires and the meter maid is about to write the ticket. I know it completely pisses them off, but who knows...maybe the violater was delayed in the market paying for someone's groceries. A woman was actually arrested for that by the cops and charged with 'obstructing justice.' I don't remember what the outcome was but it made all the wires and was not a quick 'charges dropped' story. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #29 September 15, 2003 QuotePS I wouldn't get into politics with you, except you keep taunting me like that! When we meet, you'll have ease up on the wide open places for jabs. I have to apologize. I'm a little buzzed on pain meds right now. When we meet, you, skydekker and I agreed on no political topics. Just skydiving, 2 beers, BOOBIES and chocolate milk. _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #30 September 15, 2003 QuoteA woman was actually arrested for that by the cops and charged with 'obstructing justice.' I don't remember what the outcome was but it made all the wires and was not a quick 'charges dropped' story. If you've seen the meter maids in my town, you would note that they weigh atleast 300lbs and have very butch haircuts. I think I could outrun them with one broken leg. As for the butch haircuts, I am making no judgement. You can drawer your own conclusion. _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #31 September 15, 2003 I offered a sandwich to a guy with the "will work for food" sign. He said "no thanks, I brought my lunch". I offered him a helpers job. He said that "he made too much money panhandling off gullible women in SUVs to work". $90-120 a day drinking versus working at a job that grosses $65. No decision there. It seems that the common theme among dysfunctional people are the "enablers". Enablers are people that provide something that enables the person to continue in their dysfunction instead of seeking help. There are shelters that provide a no-alchohol, no-drugs environment. That is where truly homeless people need to be. Giving money to fakers will allow them to rip people off. Giving money to someone who buys a case of wine does not do them a favor. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jfields 0 #32 September 15, 2003 QuoteI have to apologize. I'm a little buzzed on pain meds right now. No sweat. Get better, get off the meds, then I'll taunt you online later. I person, yes, the agreed upon boobies, beer and chocolate milk. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites nathaniel 0 #33 September 16, 2003 not a reply to you in particular, but the problem with giving panhandlers food is it just lets them spend their food money on drugs (incl alcohol). The whole business of "earmarked" funds is bunk, imo. I grew up in NYC where dealers would accept food stamps for drugs. The supermarkets are supposed to check the person using them is the same person the stamps were issued to...but many of them don't... I think you just have to accept that even the most secure charity systems are going to be abused here and there...and the least secure systems, eg, handouts from strangers, will be abused most. $0.02 nathanielMy advice is to do what your parents did; get a job, sir. The bums will always lose. Do you hear me, Lebowski? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BlueEyedMonster 0 #34 September 16, 2003 I ignore them... if they start talking, I give them a mean look--most don't finish the sentance. If they do, I just tell them I don't have any change. Which is usually true anyway. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freeflir29 0 #35 September 16, 2003 QuoteHow do you deal with panhandlers? I like to beat them with a large stick. Just kidding......I do have a funny story though. When you see a panhandler with a sign on the side of the road. Drive by just as fast as you can. 60-70 MPH is good. Faster is ALWAYS better. Then toss some change out the window for him. I like to toss a large handful of pennies...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lazerq3 0 #36 September 16, 2003 I once saw on TV where guy addmitted to peddler for money cuase it was easy...the guy owned a mercedes and claimed he made upwards of close to 100,000$ one year just begging for money.... So for me ...I just walk on by!!!its sad that a LOT of people ruin it for the few who need it but that goes for jsut about anything in the world today!! jasonFreedom of speech includes volume Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SpeedRacer 1 #37 September 16, 2003 hmm, $100,000 a year sounds a bit much. But I know in Baltimore, the bums have an advantage. Becaus 1) cheap apartments and 2) there's a lotta yuppies working there with upper-middle-class guilt/ignorance [call it what you will] who will all chip in FAR more than the bum would ever make working minimum wage at McDonalds, plus, bums don't have their taxes withheld... If I had no morals, I might try it myself.... Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jumprunner 0 #38 September 16, 2003 QuoteI used to live in a kinda crappy neighborhood in southeast Baltimore. But it was right next to Fells Point, so on the weekends all the college kids would drive down there to party & barhop. There were always these panhandlers that would hang around down there, always saying, "spare some change for the homeless?" to these middle class college kids. Another group would position themselves on either end of the Inner Harbor footbridges, so they could hit up the yuppies who parked in those parking lots & walked across those bridges to get to the business district. I figure if these guys averaged 5 cents per person (ie 5 people walk over the bridge, one guy hands 'em a quarter) they could probably get about 60 bucks a day just from rush hour foot traffic going over those bridges. As it turns out, most of these people are not homeless. They lived in either the projects or cheap apartments nearby. The local police actually have videos of these guys leaving their homes in the morning, going out to their cars to get blankets (so it'll look like they slept on the streets) andthen walking over to Broadway to start panhandling. Another bunch has started this thing where they walk around with a clipboard (so it'll look official) & claim that they're collecting money for a woman whose 5-year-old daughter was killed in the crossfire between warring drug dealers. Problem is, they never change their story (they say it happened "6 weeks ago", but then I went back there 2 years later and they were using the same line). So anyway, I think it is wrong to become bitter or cynical about this, but I think it is also wrong to deal with problems like poverty & homelessness by just handing out money to anyone who randomly asks for it. I give money to the St. Vincent de Paul society, which runs shelters & kitchens, but I do not hand out $ on the street. I think if you do, chances are, you are only feeding someone's addiction, or you're just paying them to stay right where they are. How do you deal with panhandlers? You tell them to fuck off, like I do, I hate those assholes, asking strangers for money like everybody is thier mommy and daddy, its disgusting. And I hate being played for a fool by some stupid bum. Not long ago Im in the post office, this guy comes in asking for money and I told him to fuck off and didnt have any. Then I looked at him and said "what do you want it for?", so he says he wants to buy a beer, so I say "Well why didnt you just say so" and gave him two bucks for a beer. This I dont mind. Then another one comes over to my car asking for change, I looked in the car for change I wanted to get rid of, and then he starts begging..."oh please, please...ect", really stupid, so I told him I dont have any money and dont give to beggars anyway. Dont these people have any self integrity at all? No pride in themselves, it takes a real lowlife loser to beg for money, the lowest of the low. I cant understand how anyone could do that. As for me, there were times I was literally going hungry when in college, but I had enough pride to stay that way until I could afford to eat, because I would have rather remained hungry than to take a handout from anyone. Now one guy Id like to mention, I was skateboarding on the boardwalk at night on PB then stopped for awhile, started talking to this guy collecting cans. He didnt ask for any money, but was telling me he makes about 40 bucks a day doing that, and finds stuff you wouldnt believe, he showed me two expensive cellular phones people just threw away, and a practically brand new CD player he picked out of the dumpster. So Im laughing, telling him that he has things I cant currently afford, and Im working! Then he starts saying something about his wife or parents died, he had been through some pretty bad tragedy, and decided to cut loose and go to Cal because he had never seen the ocean. He said he was pretty happy with things, being on the pacific coast, cool air, said he feels a lot "freer". This guy, I had a lot of respect for, he really had a lot of integrity. I told him, because of the way you are, things are going to get alot better sooner or later. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jumprunner 0 #39 September 16, 2003 QuoteQuoteHow do you deal with panhandlers? I like to beat them with a large stick. Just kidding......I do have a funny story though. When you see a panhandler with a sign on the side of the road. Drive by just as fast as you can. 60-70 MPH is good. Faster is ALWAYS better. Then toss some change out the window for him. I like to toss a large handful of pennies...... He he he....we do think alike. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites vonSanta 0 #40 September 16, 2003 In Dnemark with our welfare system and extreme form of redistribution of wealth (which I see as 'redistribution of fruit of labour) you really have to work pretty hard to become homeless. Even then you'll be given a chance pretty much every time you show a clear interest in another go. For that reason what few panhandlers there are here are alcoholics or drug addicts. Government (meaning tax payers) pay their rent. If they've been tossed out of their 10th apartment or so, they still get their welfare check so normally they can afford beer. I take shitty jobs doing dishes and cleaning place often during night time while I wait for the IT industry to pick up its pace again. Even so I pay (at minimum wage) 35% income tax and 23% sales tax on everything. I pack chutes to get jump money now. I figure I've done my part. I'll buy the ravished friendly ones a sandwich or a burger if I have money to spare. Unfortunately it's apparent that they make more a month with welfare + panhandling than I do with shitty jobs + taxes, so it's not that often. Don't feel bad about it either as I'm forced into charity through taxes whether I like it or not In the US it's much easier to slip through the cracks - Americans aren't covered head to toe by social authorities like here. I'd make donations if I lived there - mostly because I'd have the money since it's a voluntary thing. Still giving money to those who beg is a feel-good thing that alleviates our bad conscience but does nothing to address the cause of the problem. It is possible that this alleviation of consciences actually help to propogate misery rather than diminish it. 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nathaniel 0 #33 September 16, 2003 not a reply to you in particular, but the problem with giving panhandlers food is it just lets them spend their food money on drugs (incl alcohol). The whole business of "earmarked" funds is bunk, imo. I grew up in NYC where dealers would accept food stamps for drugs. The supermarkets are supposed to check the person using them is the same person the stamps were issued to...but many of them don't... I think you just have to accept that even the most secure charity systems are going to be abused here and there...and the least secure systems, eg, handouts from strangers, will be abused most. $0.02 nathanielMy advice is to do what your parents did; get a job, sir. The bums will always lose. Do you hear me, Lebowski? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlueEyedMonster 0 #34 September 16, 2003 I ignore them... if they start talking, I give them a mean look--most don't finish the sentance. If they do, I just tell them I don't have any change. Which is usually true anyway. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #35 September 16, 2003 QuoteHow do you deal with panhandlers? I like to beat them with a large stick. Just kidding......I do have a funny story though. When you see a panhandler with a sign on the side of the road. Drive by just as fast as you can. 60-70 MPH is good. Faster is ALWAYS better. Then toss some change out the window for him. I like to toss a large handful of pennies...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lazerq3 0 #36 September 16, 2003 I once saw on TV where guy addmitted to peddler for money cuase it was easy...the guy owned a mercedes and claimed he made upwards of close to 100,000$ one year just begging for money.... So for me ...I just walk on by!!!its sad that a LOT of people ruin it for the few who need it but that goes for jsut about anything in the world today!! jasonFreedom of speech includes volume Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #37 September 16, 2003 hmm, $100,000 a year sounds a bit much. But I know in Baltimore, the bums have an advantage. Becaus 1) cheap apartments and 2) there's a lotta yuppies working there with upper-middle-class guilt/ignorance [call it what you will] who will all chip in FAR more than the bum would ever make working minimum wage at McDonalds, plus, bums don't have their taxes withheld... If I had no morals, I might try it myself.... Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumprunner 0 #38 September 16, 2003 QuoteI used to live in a kinda crappy neighborhood in southeast Baltimore. But it was right next to Fells Point, so on the weekends all the college kids would drive down there to party & barhop. There were always these panhandlers that would hang around down there, always saying, "spare some change for the homeless?" to these middle class college kids. Another group would position themselves on either end of the Inner Harbor footbridges, so they could hit up the yuppies who parked in those parking lots & walked across those bridges to get to the business district. I figure if these guys averaged 5 cents per person (ie 5 people walk over the bridge, one guy hands 'em a quarter) they could probably get about 60 bucks a day just from rush hour foot traffic going over those bridges. As it turns out, most of these people are not homeless. They lived in either the projects or cheap apartments nearby. The local police actually have videos of these guys leaving their homes in the morning, going out to their cars to get blankets (so it'll look like they slept on the streets) andthen walking over to Broadway to start panhandling. Another bunch has started this thing where they walk around with a clipboard (so it'll look official) & claim that they're collecting money for a woman whose 5-year-old daughter was killed in the crossfire between warring drug dealers. Problem is, they never change their story (they say it happened "6 weeks ago", but then I went back there 2 years later and they were using the same line). So anyway, I think it is wrong to become bitter or cynical about this, but I think it is also wrong to deal with problems like poverty & homelessness by just handing out money to anyone who randomly asks for it. I give money to the St. Vincent de Paul society, which runs shelters & kitchens, but I do not hand out $ on the street. I think if you do, chances are, you are only feeding someone's addiction, or you're just paying them to stay right where they are. How do you deal with panhandlers? You tell them to fuck off, like I do, I hate those assholes, asking strangers for money like everybody is thier mommy and daddy, its disgusting. And I hate being played for a fool by some stupid bum. Not long ago Im in the post office, this guy comes in asking for money and I told him to fuck off and didnt have any. Then I looked at him and said "what do you want it for?", so he says he wants to buy a beer, so I say "Well why didnt you just say so" and gave him two bucks for a beer. This I dont mind. Then another one comes over to my car asking for change, I looked in the car for change I wanted to get rid of, and then he starts begging..."oh please, please...ect", really stupid, so I told him I dont have any money and dont give to beggars anyway. Dont these people have any self integrity at all? No pride in themselves, it takes a real lowlife loser to beg for money, the lowest of the low. I cant understand how anyone could do that. As for me, there were times I was literally going hungry when in college, but I had enough pride to stay that way until I could afford to eat, because I would have rather remained hungry than to take a handout from anyone. Now one guy Id like to mention, I was skateboarding on the boardwalk at night on PB then stopped for awhile, started talking to this guy collecting cans. He didnt ask for any money, but was telling me he makes about 40 bucks a day doing that, and finds stuff you wouldnt believe, he showed me two expensive cellular phones people just threw away, and a practically brand new CD player he picked out of the dumpster. So Im laughing, telling him that he has things I cant currently afford, and Im working! Then he starts saying something about his wife or parents died, he had been through some pretty bad tragedy, and decided to cut loose and go to Cal because he had never seen the ocean. He said he was pretty happy with things, being on the pacific coast, cool air, said he feels a lot "freer". This guy, I had a lot of respect for, he really had a lot of integrity. I told him, because of the way you are, things are going to get alot better sooner or later. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumprunner 0 #39 September 16, 2003 QuoteQuoteHow do you deal with panhandlers? I like to beat them with a large stick. Just kidding......I do have a funny story though. When you see a panhandler with a sign on the side of the road. Drive by just as fast as you can. 60-70 MPH is good. Faster is ALWAYS better. Then toss some change out the window for him. I like to toss a large handful of pennies...... He he he....we do think alike. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites vonSanta 0 #40 September 16, 2003 In Dnemark with our welfare system and extreme form of redistribution of wealth (which I see as 'redistribution of fruit of labour) you really have to work pretty hard to become homeless. Even then you'll be given a chance pretty much every time you show a clear interest in another go. For that reason what few panhandlers there are here are alcoholics or drug addicts. Government (meaning tax payers) pay their rent. If they've been tossed out of their 10th apartment or so, they still get their welfare check so normally they can afford beer. I take shitty jobs doing dishes and cleaning place often during night time while I wait for the IT industry to pick up its pace again. Even so I pay (at minimum wage) 35% income tax and 23% sales tax on everything. I pack chutes to get jump money now. I figure I've done my part. I'll buy the ravished friendly ones a sandwich or a burger if I have money to spare. Unfortunately it's apparent that they make more a month with welfare + panhandling than I do with shitty jobs + taxes, so it's not that often. Don't feel bad about it either as I'm forced into charity through taxes whether I like it or not In the US it's much easier to slip through the cracks - Americans aren't covered head to toe by social authorities like here. I'd make donations if I lived there - mostly because I'd have the money since it's a voluntary thing. Still giving money to those who beg is a feel-good thing that alleviates our bad conscience but does nothing to address the cause of the problem. It is possible that this alleviation of consciences actually help to propogate misery rather than diminish it. Santa Von GrossenArsch I only come in one flavour ohwaitthatcanbemisunderst Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 2 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
vonSanta 0 #40 September 16, 2003 In Dnemark with our welfare system and extreme form of redistribution of wealth (which I see as 'redistribution of fruit of labour) you really have to work pretty hard to become homeless. Even then you'll be given a chance pretty much every time you show a clear interest in another go. For that reason what few panhandlers there are here are alcoholics or drug addicts. Government (meaning tax payers) pay their rent. If they've been tossed out of their 10th apartment or so, they still get their welfare check so normally they can afford beer. I take shitty jobs doing dishes and cleaning place often during night time while I wait for the IT industry to pick up its pace again. Even so I pay (at minimum wage) 35% income tax and 23% sales tax on everything. I pack chutes to get jump money now. I figure I've done my part. I'll buy the ravished friendly ones a sandwich or a burger if I have money to spare. Unfortunately it's apparent that they make more a month with welfare + panhandling than I do with shitty jobs + taxes, so it's not that often. Don't feel bad about it either as I'm forced into charity through taxes whether I like it or not In the US it's much easier to slip through the cracks - Americans aren't covered head to toe by social authorities like here. I'd make donations if I lived there - mostly because I'd have the money since it's a voluntary thing. Still giving money to those who beg is a feel-good thing that alleviates our bad conscience but does nothing to address the cause of the problem. It is possible that this alleviation of consciences actually help to propogate misery rather than diminish it. Santa Von GrossenArsch I only come in one flavour ohwaitthatcanbemisunderst Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
