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[TheAnvil 0]

misleader.org....nice website....full of venom.....quite a few facts thrown in for good measure.....and utterly hilarious. Misleading.org would be a much more appropriate name, but think however you like.

How would you view the following quotes then from some of those wishing to replace the President?

"Saddam Hussein's regime represents a grave threat to America and our allies, including our vital ally, Israel. For more than two decades, Saddam Hussein has sought weapons of mass destruction through every available means. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons. He has already used them against his neighbors and his own people, and is trying to build more. We know that he is doing everything he can to build nuclear weapons, and we know that each day he gets closer to achieving that goal." -- John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002

"I share the administration's goals in dealing with Iraq and its weapons of mass destruction." -- Dick Gephardt in September of 2002

"Iraq does pose a serious threat to the stability of the Persian Gulf and we should organize an international coalition to eliminate his access to weapons of mass destruction. Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to completely deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." -- Al Gore, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." -- Bob Graham, December 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." -- Ted Kennedy, September 27, 2002

"I will be voting to give the president of the United States the authority to use force - if necessary - to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." -- John F. Kerry, Oct 2002

Not that any of the above who were quoted were actually trustworthy, but how do you view these quotes, I wonder?

Many of us conservatives have a LOT of problems with the current administration. However, we love our country too much to willingly hand it over to race-baiting socialists by voting for them or NOT voting for the Republican candidate.

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Moon landings aside, how many people were involved in the Manhattan Project?

Ff the Nazis had managed to invade the US and depose our government, they would have found Los Alamos pretty quickly.

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Moon landings aside, how many people were involved in the Manhattan Project?

Ff the Nazis had managed to invade the US and depose our government, they would have found Los Alamos pretty quickly.

No disagreement there, but the infrastructure of a nuclear program is wholesale different from a bio or chem program. I was merely trying to illustrate that a lot of the activity that buzzed around the Manhattan Project was in plain site, with little understanding of what was going on (i.e. Oak Ridge, TN and the other plants in Washington).

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is this some democrat / republican arguement or something?

I have nothing to say about someone's party preference, only how ridicilous the current administrations track record is in terms of deceit, honesty, and integrity!

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What I want to know is, if Saddam Hussein ever was a threat to us with these weapons, why didn't he use them when his regieme was being destroyed?

Why? Because our troops were too fast.. And Sadhams troops knew it meant certain death..

If our troops were so fast, what do you make of the excuse the Bush administration gives that Hussein had time to ship them to Syria?

If they never would use the weapons because it would mean "centain death" then why would they have them, and why were they a danger to anyone if they had them but wouldn't use them?

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but the sake of millions of Iraqis that deserve their country back.

The Iraqis never had their country in the first place. They were oppressed under a harsh dictator whose regime slaughtered innocent citizens at will.

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is this some democrat / republican arguement or something?

I have nothing to say about someone's party preference, only how ridicilous the current administrations track record is in terms of deceit, honesty, and integrity!

Yes, quite a few people on here are incapable of arguing the issues, and resort to partisan bashing. The best is when they make blanket statements about how all liberals blanketly hate all republicans and can't possibly be thinking for themselves.

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True but the Manhattan project was also back when Nuclear technology was in it's infancy so not many folks would have bee in the know then.

I'd hazard a guess that experts in the field now could easily spot something familiar that would indicate a plants use. I would further suggest that dual use facilities could be possible for chemical and biological weapon use. I believe that some of the UK intelligence stated that a plant did make phosgene as part of another legitimate chemical process.

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They were oppressed under a harsh dictator whose regime slaughtered innocent citizens at will

And we're not? Our gentle government takes half our money, kills people it deems appropiate to kill, spends billions of dollars on military while we have people starving in the streets, lies to its people on a regular basis, plots assassinations and overthrows of governments we don't like, and manipulates the systems it has in place to motivate or change the will of the people.
Oh, we also have weapons of mass destruction.
Oh, and we've used them too.

it's like incest - you're substituting convenience for quality

[PhillyKev 0]

But we're the good guys.

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But we're the good guys.

Oh.. that's right... and we harbor Freedom Fighters... not terrorists.

Ok, so if two groups both believe they're "the good guys" and they both go about killing the other group "the bad guys" ... how do you decide if 'good' or 'evil' prevailed?

it's like incest - you're substituting convenience for quality

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But we're the good guys.

Oh.. that's right... and we harbor Freedom Fighters... not terrorists.

Ok, so if two groups both believe they're "the good guys" and they both go about killing the other group "the bad guys" ... how do you decide if 'good' or 'evil' prevailed?

Simple...look down at the ground you are standing on. Whoever controls that ground is the good guys, unless of course, they took it by force, then they're the bad guys. Unless they took it a few hundred years ago, then they're the good guys.

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But we're the good guys.

Oh.. that's right... and we harbor Freedom Fighters... not terrorists.

Ok, so if two groups both believe they're "the good guys" and they both go about killing the other group "the bad guys" ... how do you decide if 'good' or 'evil' prevailed?

Simple - History is not told by the losers. Quite obviously the last man standing surely must have had god or allah or whatever on his side. He has triumphed over evil.

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Simple - History is not told by the losers.

Ahhhhh... hence the phrase "Good will always prevail"

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Whoever controls that ground is the good guys, unless of course, they took it by force, then they're the bad guys.

Wouldn't that mean we're the bad guys in Iraq then? We control that ground, and did it by force.
But in a hundred years, we'll be the good guys again, because we rid the world of a terrible threat.
I wonder if Hitler would have ended up being a good guy had he suceeded.
Would owning slaves still be acceptable if the South had won?
Would the colonists simply have been 'evil terrorists' had we lost the revolutionary war?

it's like incest - you're substituting convenience for quality

[TheAnvil 0]

A) You didn't answer my question.
B) I'm libertarian.
C) Honesty and integrity? Hmmm.....I watched the buffoons who want to replace the President debate. Not a lot of honesty or integrity there. Wes Clark we'll have to see what he does/says. As far as the president himself goes, I believe him an improvement over the last one as far as integrity and honesty goes despite the fact that his policies and spending aren't to my liking.

Answer my question please.

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Yes, quite a few people on here are incapable of arguing the issues, and resort to partisan bashing. The best is when they make blanket statements about how all liberals blanketly hate all republicans and can't possibly be thinking for themselves.

Hate eh? Argue the issues eh? I'd hope you'd know better, but oh well. I live with disappointment all the time...

I don't think I've ever said that all liberals blanketly hate republicans or don't think for themselves, but such a statement wouldn't be that far off the mark in a lot of cases. If you'd watched/listened to the debate on FoxNews, you'd know why such generalization could be made with a clear conscience. Or listened to Julian Bond's speech at the NAACP convention. Or listen to Kweise Mfune showing his racial prejudice in his comments about Judge Pickering. Or read a few exercpts from democraticunderground.com a few times - when Rush Limbaugh lost his hearing was a GREAT example of blanket hate comments there. Or heard Malveaux talk about Clarence Thomas. Or heard Gumbell call the FRC president a 'fucking idiot'. I could go on.

As far as arguing an issue - pick one. I'll argue about it.

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right... so I guess that the Americans taking over (and killing Iraqis in the process) is totally legitimate...

right....

[PhillyKev 0]

All perfect examples of radicals. Using radicals to identify the positions and attitudes of half the population is as partisan as you can get.

It's even better when people are labeled as liberals and automatically assumed to have certain opinions based on opinions of other issues.

For instance, I've been blasted for being anti-gun ownership a couple times on here before I even made a statement. And you're probably aware that I'm the exact opposite. I'm also frequently called a Clinton lover and socialist, because I'm unhappy with GWB's choices, policies and procedures.

Yeah, you argue the issues, but then throw in partisan based jabs and compare people to radicals who lean the same direction as them but way way further out. Of course you probably think you're being fair and balanced.

[Hummusx 0]

Are you guys just having fun being difficult or are there that many people out there that honestly make no distinction between innocent civilians and military personnel?

'...kills people it deems appropiate to kill...'

Examples here? Or are we going to cite military targets again?

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>Remember the weapons that where found that where not on the list
>sent to the UN? Oh, forgot about them.

Please tell me where these WMD's were found. Haven't heard about them.

They weren't WMDs but other ordinance that were on the banned list.

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For all of you who do not like the way this country is run and your freedom then by all means please leave.

Yes it is unfortunate that we lose troops. JRAF I am sure you are not near as close to the individuals as I have been. I have worked side by side with some for many years.

If ya'll can find another country where you can fathom talking free as you do here w/o reprimand or prison then go there.

How many of ya'll have actually been to a third world shithole? Go there for while and find out what "HELL" is all about.

Hardly any of ya'll realize what the military does for your freedom on a daily basis. The Freedom that most take advantage of. There are many guys who unfortunately pass. In training and on different deployments. Just because it is not in the news anymore doe not mean that we are not there trying to keep things orderly. I am talking about the many different places we have troops. I bet most cannot even name five places we are currently occuping!

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'...kills people it deems appropiate to kill...'

Examples here? Or are we going to cite military targets again?

Suspected terrorist that may actually have been innocent. Civilians who commit crimes they deem worthy of execution. Of course military action, and the acceptable collateral damage that goes with it. Let's not forget, we 'killed our own people' too when we ran the indians off their land. You could probably work in the 500,000 who died as a result of our very own civil war too

it's like incest - you're substituting convenience for quality

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For all of you who do not like the way this country is run and your freedom then by all means please leave.

So everyone who complained about Clinton should have left the county because they weren't happy with him? What a ridiculous statement.

I very much enjoy the freedoms of this nation, including the freedom to voice my opinions and try to change the leadership through peaceful, legal means. It sound's like you're the one upset with my freedom to do those things. You might be happier somewhere they don't let you.

I appreciate the efforts of everyone in the military. They are doing their job to make sure they we are protected. It's not their fault that the leadership is sending them to the wrong places on the wrong missions for the wrong reasons.

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Suspected terrorist that may actually have been innocent. Civilians who commit crimes they deem worthy of execution. Of course military action, and the acceptable collateral damage that goes with it. Let's not forget, we 'killed our own people' too when we ran the indians off their land. You could probably work in the 500,000 who died as a result of our very own civil war too

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>For all of you who do not like the way this country is run and your
>freedom then by all means please leave.

Wow. Sort or an anti-american thing to say. A lot of people fought and died so we could live in a country where people were free to speak their minds - whether they agree or disagree with what their leaders are doing. I'm glad the people who were against slavery didn't leave. I'm glad the people who were against the Vietnam War didn't leave. I'm glad the people who were against Nixon didn't leave. Their staying here makes this country a better place.

>How many of ya'll have actually been to a third world shithole? Go
> there for while and find out what "HELL" is all about.

I've been to villages in Africa, villages with no lights or sewers, 300 people and 300 chickens. And far from being a hellhole, it was an awesome place. The third world most people see is an interface between our world and the third world, a place near airports and resort towns where there are the haves (us) and the have-nots ("them.") Rich and poor, powerful and powerless. The real third world is quite a bit different - when there is no one there to tell you you're poor, you're not poor.

Most americans have absolutely no idea what the third world is like. They think it's all starving lepers and dying kids. There are a lot of places in the world where people have been living the same way for 500 years, and have pretty much figured it out. It's not the same way of life we choose but it's no worse, just different.

>I bet most cannot even name five places we are currently occupying!

I thought we were liberating Iraq, not occupying it.