TheMonkey 0 #26 September 18, 2003 QuoteNow I tend to think I am on the "side" of the bad guys. your perspective is a little warped imo, so again i say pack up and move on out....head to iraq or afghanistan, be one of the good guys, join their team....i guarantee that if you say to what you did to any of those military folks you mention about the us being wrong and the carnage that "bush has caused", then i guarantee you will wish you were on the other side of the world b/c you will get your ass handed to you! --------------------- Never argue with an idiot, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #27 September 18, 2003 Dude...why are you checking out his ass? This site has been getting very gay lately...ass hats, ass clowns, handing people asses. I'm gonna hang out in the Tittee Bar thread for awhile. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #28 September 18, 2003 QuoteQuoteNow I tend to think I am on the "side" of the bad guys. your perspective is a little warped imo, so again i say pack up and move on out....head to iraq or afghanistan, be one of the good guys, join their team....i guarantee that if you say to what you did to any of those military folks you mention about the us being wrong and the carnage that "bush has caused", then i guarantee you will wish you were on the other side of the world b/c you will get your ass handed to you! Noone is forcing you to stay. If you don't like it...there are other alternatives. Or is it a convienience thing? Don't let convienience rule your life. QuoteI feel pathetic while driving and see these USA flags being flown everywhere. If this is truly how you feel, you should not subject yourself to so many ill feelings. If it bothers you so much that you really feel the way you described above, you should really go somewhere that doesn't illicit feeling like that. I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #29 September 18, 2003 Disagreeing with your government's policies does not make you less patriotic. Isn't that the way the US gained their independance? I was anti the SA government during the apartheid years. I was drafted into a military I felt was not doing the right thing to the right people. I was also told to leave. I did. The US was one of my havens. It inspired me. Still does. When the world's opinion leans against your country - it's usually for a reason. These days - you can't find a single person that was "pro apartheid" all those people who told me to leave? They're in Australia/Canada/ the UK now. I'm home. In a country full of problems, but one that I love deeply and care about. PM'd you. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
andy2 0 #30 September 18, 2003 Obviously, "themonkey" I dont feel like what Iraq or Afghanistan is doing is correct, nor do I feel like what America is doing to handle the situation is correct. I think everyone involved is in the wrong. I don't have an answer, but I know any answer that ends up with innocent people dead is wrong. Period. That's my view on it, and while you can call me any name you want, laugh at the oddball's pacifist's view, it won't change what I believe. Killing human beings is wrong. And any leader that orders human beings to be killed is wrong and should be replaced with one that won't. --------------------------------------------- let my inspiration flow, in token rhyme suggesting rhythm... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheMonkey 0 #31 September 18, 2003 QuoteKilling human beings is wrong i concur wholeheartedly, however it is not always avoidable. there are groups of people in the world that would cause death to americans for the ideals that this country stands for, and while i wish death to no man, woman, or child, it is not always avoidable. you can not react with a rational solution to an irrational problem....just my opinion.... --------------------- Never argue with an idiot, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
andy2 0 #32 September 18, 2003 you can find a rational solution other than killing though. My personal opinion. --------------------------------------------- let my inspiration flow, in token rhyme suggesting rhythm... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #33 September 18, 2003 QuoteI don't have an answer, . Exactly, that's the problem with most of these political conversations. Libs (typically) are now the party of "you can't do that" "we shouldn't have done that" "everyone is wrong, but I don't know what's right". This is why they've lost so much in the last 6 years. You need to stand FOR something, not always just Against something with no alternatives. At least we (US) did something about something we didn't start. And not one of the people complaining can say that their way would have been better. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheMonkey 0 #34 September 18, 2003 ok, name one.... --------------------- Never argue with an idiot, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bmcd308 0 #35 September 18, 2003 >>i feel bad to be a part of this country and the shit it stands for << Last I heard, no one was keeping you from leaving. ---------------------------------- www.jumpelvis.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #36 September 18, 2003 >Sadham was and is a bad man. A bad man that Hates America. He's a bad man. He likes America when we give him chemical weapons ingredients and helicopters. He hates America when we bomb his country. I suspect you'd be exactly the same way (not the bad-man part, but the hate-the-people-who-bomb-you part.) >We didn't just go after Sadham. We went after Al dickheads in >Afghanistan. No, we went after Al Qaeda. I am amazed that so many people have forgotten 9/11 already, or at least who we were going after in Afghanistan. We went after Al Qaeda; the Taliban were simply in the way. >I believe, proof or not, that Sadham has ties to 911. So you're part of the 70%. Gawain recently said: "Personally, I have faith that most Americans would be able to handle more truth, bit by bit . . " I hope that's true. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #37 September 18, 2003 >While I disagree on the wholesale "lie" idea . . . Well, in his official request to Congress he said that one of the reasons to go to war was to get the people who pulled off 9/11. Now he's saying there was (and is) no evidence that Hussein had anything to do with 9/11. Lying to Congress and going to war based on that lie is, I think, pretty serious. Heck, a president lies about getting a blow job and we try to impeach him. >the reason why no one gets to this detail is a) the press and b) the > laymen of the world don't want to hear this kink of stuff. Hmm. So it's your opinion that "Hussein did not have links to 9/11" was too complex a concept for people to understand? Or is it that he needed a simple reason to go to war rather than a complex reason? We live in a democracy (republic, actually, but at least in theory the people have a voice in government.) If you believe that people can decide issues that affect us all, democracy works. If you believe that people must be misled to support the direction a leader decides is best to take, then democracy does not work. Part of the theory of democracy is that, more times than not, the collective intelligence of the masses _works._ We screw with that system to our great peril. > I don't blame GWB for not laying out the entire National Intelligence >Estimate and other analyses that were done in the process. I don't blame him for not laying out the entire truth. I do blame him for laying out mistruths. Democracy cannot work like that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
