Gen Clarke would have been a republican...

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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,98056,00.html

More Discrepancies From General Clark

Newly minted Democratic presidential candidate Wesley Clark, who only announced he was a Democrat three weeks ago, earlier indicated his decision was influenced by a snub by the White House.

As we noted earlier, Newsweek reports he told two prominent Republicans in January that, "I would have been a Republican if Karl Rove had returned my phone calls."

But the Weekly Standard reports that the White House, which logs each and every incoming phone call, has no record of Clark ever calling Rove. What's more, Rove himself doesn't recall speaking with Clark.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

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Hmm, let's see what's wrong with this FOX NEWS story.

1. Who ever said that the only phone call you could ever make to Rove would be through the White House switchboard?

2. Well, naturally if Clark couldn't contact Rove, then Rove wouldn't remember speaking to him! Duh!

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Whether he actually did try to call Rove or not is not important.

What is important is that he admits he would have been a repub if Rove had only returned his calls.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

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Allegedly. According to some third-party unnamed sources. Uh, yeah. Right.

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>What is important is that he admits he would have been a repub if
>Rove had only returned his calls.

Well, Fox said that Newsweek said that two republicans said that he said that. Heck, I'd vote republican if there was a good candidate out there; I'd vote for Powell in a second.

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Allegedly. According to some third-party unnamed sources. Uh, yeah. Right.

Remember, you're not picking on the credibility of Fox News, you're calling Newsweek a liar.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

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I'd vote for Powell in a second.

I would too. No doubt. But I don't think he will run. I'd bet that he is concerned about his life expectancy if he was elected.

edit to add: its too not two...i mean to....no....ugh......

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I think Powell is fed up with it all. Assassination of Powell? For what reason? Who would advocate such a thing? He's one of the most respected men in public life today.

Powell has publicly and repeatedly stated that he has no desire to run for elected office.

I am a little perturbed with the President on MANY issues, but after seeing all of the clowns in the last Democratic Presidential Primary debate it really amazes my that anyone with a three digit IQ would want any of those bozos leading the country rather than the President we have now. None of them had anything to say other than: a) I hate Bush, b) I support programs that judge people by their race, c) I hate Bush, d) I support the troops, e) socialize medicine, f)I'm John Kerry and I served in Veitnam, g) Bush is bad, h) Identifying yourself by your race is good, h) I support Affirmative Action, i) Bush is bad, j) vote democrat

I mean if I were a leftie I would hang my head in SHAME if my party put up such buffoons to run for office - and they were actually taken seriously! They couldn't even maintain their calm with those Lyndon LaRouche idiots interrupting and they want to be commander in chief with nuclear release authority? Gimme a break! It says AMAZING amounts about that party's credentials when Al Sharpton is one of the most impressive candidates onstage. Utterly disgusting.

I'm disgusted with my lack of choices here, but will vote for GWB out of utter contempt for what the other major party stands for. I'd rather vote for my own libertarian party, but love my country too much to let some race-baiting socialist be its leader.

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Powell has publicly and repeatedly stated that he has no desire to run for elected office.

He has no choice but to say that. To say anything otherwise would be disrespectful to his boss. It'd be kinda like a soldier saying the president was a moron - not a choice career move. I'd be more interested in his answer to the question after Bush has stepped down.

I too, would vote for him in a second.

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I guess that means that if I decide I support him because I've evaluated what he in particular says and stands for and has done, then it's OK -- I've supported Republicans in the past. But if I were to consider only his Democratic party affiliation, I'd feel betrayed. Or something like that.

Damn. I didn't know there were a lot of people who voted based solely on party affiliation. Do you know a lot?

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I have met a ton of folks who vote solely on party affiliation. Many of them, when engaged in a brief conversaton, don't even realize that they are voting for someone whose beliefs are contrary to theirs.

Most of the ones I've met have been from Appalachia, but I've met such folk in Memphis, Atlanta, and here in California as well. Sad that our educational system has become so degraded.

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I guess that means that if I decide I support him because I've evaluated what he in particular says and stands for and has done, then it's OK

When you figure out what Clark stands for let me know. So far, his Arkansas twang sounds a lot like William Jefferson Clinton. I'm waiting for him to say he owns a gun, but didn't shoot it or something at this point.

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Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
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I'm waiting for him to say he owns a gun, but didn't shoot it or something at this point.

Let me assure you that during his career he had access to guns far more "fun" than you can possibly imagine. I think it's to his credit that he didn't pull the trigger on them but rather found diplomatic solutions.

What you'd really want to have is a guy that has the power to use it if he must, but the restraint to know when it's not required.

Clark has already proven that.

GWB has proven otherwise.

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Let me assure you that during his career he had access to guns far more "fun" than you can possibly imagine. I think it's to his credit that he didn't pull the trigger on them but rather found diplomatic solutions.

Are you referring to his infamous meeting with Bosnian General Mladic, during which the war criminal gave him a pistol and bottle of brandy? That sort of diplomatic skill/gunplay? The Muslims of Srebrenica must have thought that quite dandy - those left alive at least. I suppose the fact that the state department told him not to go there might provide their ghosts some comfort. That's not diplomacy - it's stupidity.

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What you'd really want to have is a guy that has the power to use it if he must, but the restraint to know when it's not required.

Clark has already proven that.

How? In what manner? In what situation? He was all but BEGGING for a ground war in Kosovo which is why SecDef Cohen got him the hell out of there!

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GWB has proven otherwise.

Really? Amazing. Convince me.

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Keep in mind this is a mid-term election. Generally the party that is not in the White House will roll out their buffoons if they believe the incumbent is unbeatable (Think Mondale in '84 and Dole in '96). IMO the Dems have their eye on 2008. That's when you will see their serious contenders. (Keep and eye on what Hillary or Gore decide in the coming weeks.)

On a side note, a gallup poll has GWB trailing Clarke by about 3 percentage points at this point. But, before the Dem's get too excited, both Reagan in '84 and Clinton in '96 were in the same position as GWB is now.

I do believe however, that anything can happen in the next 13 months.

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IMO the Dems have their eye on 2008. That's when you will see their serious contenders.

Chris

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I honestly don't see Hillary as electable. But, stranger things have happened...Bill was elected in '92.

IMO, I don't see Jeb pulling it off either. He's getting a lot of heat lately.

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Clark has already proven that.

Like in Rowanda?

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

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How? In what manner? In what situation? He was all but BEGGING for a ground war in Kosovo which is why SecDef Cohen got him the hell out of there!

He wanted General Sir Mike Jackson to take the airport from the Russians during that conflict.

Mike jackson's reply, "I'm not about to start WW3 for you". The para's never took the airport and Gen Clark was fired not long after.

David

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I thought this was kinda interestin too.


"What do you think of General Wesley Clark and would you support him as a presidential candidate," was the question put to him by moderator Dick Henning, assuming that all military men stood in support of each other. General Shelton took a drink of water and Henning said, "I noticed you took a drink on that one!"

"That question makes me wish it were vodka," said Shelton. "I've known Wes for a long time. I will tell you the reason he came out of Europe early had to do with integrity and character issues, things that are very near and dear to my heart. I'm not going to say whether I'm a Republican or a Democrat. I'll just say Wes won't get my vote."


http://www.losaltosonline.com/articles/2003/09/23/news/community/news01.txt

Seems the initial giddyness the Libs had with Wesley Carp is starting to give way to political realities.

On a side note it's interesting Shelton has over 400 jumps from 30,000'

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Call me crazy, but I'd be willing to bet that Shelton is NOT a democrat nor a liberal.

The vast majority of military and ex-military people are not (at least not anymore). I'm the only democrat among the 50 officers I work with.

Interesting that according to some, Clark handled Kosovo well, and the real reason he was fired (By COHEN, a Republican) was because he was too outspoken. God forbid.

IMHO, Clark shouldn't be worrying about getting votes out of the military. Dems never get a lot of military votes. And the negative stuff right now is all coming from the military. I'd bet part of the reason is that the conservative military doesn't want to give the impression that a democrat (the horror!) is "representing" them. It's like he's a black sheep. How could a military man who made it so high POSSIBLY be a Democrat??? It's unthinkable!

Clark should be worrying about Hispanics, the South, and moderates who voted for Bush in 2000 but are getting fed up with the current policies and the war. And he should be solidifying his domestic policies.

Certainly looks better to me right now than any of the other 9.

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The vast majority of military and ex-military people are not (at least not anymore). I'm the only democrat among the 50 officers I work with.

This is true for a number of reasons. Another thread perhaps....

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Interesting that according to some, Clark handled Kosovo well, and the real reason he was fired (By COHEN, a Republican) was because he was too outspoken. God forbid.

Those who hold this opinion should bone up on their facts. Gen. Clarke met with the known mastermind of the Srebrenica massacre against the wishes of DoState. They exchanged caps, and Clarke was given a pistol and bottle of brandy by the war criminal. He also was urging for a ground war early in the campaign - an idea rejected by all other NATO commanders at the time. In addition to this, as posted by someone earlier, he wanted to forcefully evict the Russki's from the airport. Those who claim he was fired by a Republican SecDef (working for a Dem Presidet) for merely being 'outspoken' are living in a fantasy-land.

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IMHO, Clark shouldn't be worrying about getting votes out of the military. Dems never get a lot of military votes. And the negative stuff right now is all coming from the military. I'd bet part of the reason is that the conservative military doesn't want to give the impression that a democrat (the horror!) is "representing" them. It's like he's a black sheep. How could a military man who made it so high POSSIBLY be a Democrat??? It's unthinkable!

Dems never get a lot of military votes because the military is an achievement oriented organization. The negative remarks about Clarke seem to be coming from all corners. It is unthinkable that anyone cognizant of the capablities of the soldiers and officers under his command and who truly intends to support the Constitution of the United States against all domestic enemies would EVER support any program that judges anyone by their race in any manner. Racial stratification of a nation is an excellent way to weaken it from within.

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Clark should be worrying about Hispanics, the South, and moderates who voted for Bush in 2000 but are getting fed up with the current policies and the war. And he should be solidifying his domestic policies.

The same could be said for any democratic candidate, but like the rest he has no hope here. Southern Democrats are virtually ostricized from the mainstream of that party and have been for years. The only way he can garner the Hispanic vote, given that party's blind obesiance to the abortion lobby and the fact that the majority of Hispanics are devout Catholics, would be to harm America by urging them to identify themselves by their race and entice them to vote democrat because of affirmative action- which would harm America, something he has sworn not to do. I suspect that will be the tactic he takes.

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Certainly looks better to me right now than any of the other 9.

Agreed here, but that's because he's only just begun. We'll see how he turns out once his fundraising has truly begun. Should he win the nomination, he will become the tool of the race baiters, the NEA, and the ever powerful AFL-CIO and it's avowed Socialist leader Jack Sweeney. That's where the $$ comes from for that side of the political spectrum.

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