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QuoteQuade:
QuoteCurrently the most egregious cases stem from Rupert Murdock and his worldwide influences.
SkydiverRick:QuoteI'm unaware of these cases. Could you enlighten me?
Um -- are you being sarcastic?
Wendy W.
Not at all. I haven't heard of any credible cases of Fox making up lies. This isn't true of the newspapers in LA or New York though.
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Rupert Murdoch (it's misspelled in the earlier post) is the owner of Fox News among other things. He got his start in Australia, and began his branching out in London, I believe. He has tended to specialize in newspapers that have a more sensationalistic tone (e.g. the New York Sun). He brought titties to the London tabloids.
He's a pretty big believer, from what I've read in interviews and the like (and no, they're not all on CNN), in using massive headlines to sell news, because after all profit is what it's all about.
Some of what I remember goes back to the 80's when he came to the US. I have a number of relatives who are evil media people (all media people are evil, right?
), because they were scared both of his taking over their newspapers, and they were scared of the more sensationalistic tones their newspapers might have to take in order to compete.
I'm afraid people have rarely gone bankrupt underestimating people who buy and watch the news, no matter where. By the way, making a profit is not wrong. Coloring how you report the news to maximize it is a gray area. And it redefines the bounds of what's considered to be ethical, which is a pity.
Wendy W.
He's a pretty big believer, from what I've read in interviews and the like (and no, they're not all on CNN), in using massive headlines to sell news, because after all profit is what it's all about.
Some of what I remember goes back to the 80's when he came to the US. I have a number of relatives who are evil media people (all media people are evil, right?
), because they were scared both of his taking over their newspapers, and they were scared of the more sensationalistic tones their newspapers might have to take in order to compete.
I'm afraid people have rarely gone bankrupt underestimating people who buy and watch the news, no matter where. By the way, making a profit is not wrong. Coloring how you report the news to maximize it is a gray area. And it redefines the bounds of what's considered to be ethical, which is a pity.
Wendy W.
There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)
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Well, I won't go into the entire history of Rupert because, well, I just don't have that kind of time tonight, but do a google search on "rupert murdoch media empire history" and see what articles pop up.
Let's hit on ONE key point of Fox News.
I guess if you really wanted to start up a news organization that was fair and balanced, you'd probably want to have a head of it that was also fair and balanced. Let's see how Rupert did in picking the head of Fox News. What might Rupert have been looking for on the resume?
Let's see you probably want somebody that knows politics -- right? How about one of the GOP's preeminent political consultants? The man that helped elect; Nixon, Reagan and George H. W. Bush. The guy known as the Dark Prince of right-wing attack politics. One of the key guys in the Willie Horton attacks against Dukakis. The guy that actually said, "the only question is whether we will depict Willie Horton with a knife in his hand or without it."
The guy that produced the Rush Limbaugh TV show.
That guy was Roger Ailes.
From Roger you get; Brit Hume, contributor to the ultra-conservative Weekly Standard, you also get Brit's wife Kim as the Washington Bureau Chief. Nice arrangement eh?
Do you begin to see how the organization is formed? Just exactly how fair and balanced it can be.
BTW, did you know that Ailes is the one the picked the line "fair and balanced"?
This goes back to an old propaganda theory that if you say something often enough, people will believe it no matter if it's true or not.
Let's hit on ONE key point of Fox News.
I guess if you really wanted to start up a news organization that was fair and balanced, you'd probably want to have a head of it that was also fair and balanced. Let's see how Rupert did in picking the head of Fox News. What might Rupert have been looking for on the resume?
Let's see you probably want somebody that knows politics -- right? How about one of the GOP's preeminent political consultants? The man that helped elect; Nixon, Reagan and George H. W. Bush. The guy known as the Dark Prince of right-wing attack politics. One of the key guys in the Willie Horton attacks against Dukakis. The guy that actually said, "the only question is whether we will depict Willie Horton with a knife in his hand or without it."
The guy that produced the Rush Limbaugh TV show.
That guy was Roger Ailes.
From Roger you get; Brit Hume, contributor to the ultra-conservative Weekly Standard, you also get Brit's wife Kim as the Washington Bureau Chief. Nice arrangement eh?
Do you begin to see how the organization is formed? Just exactly how fair and balanced it can be.
BTW, did you know that Ailes is the one the picked the line "fair and balanced"?
This goes back to an old propaganda theory that if you say something often enough, people will believe it no matter if it's true or not.
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QuoteRupert Murdoch (it's misspelled in the earlier post) is the owner of Fox News among other things. He got his start in Australia, and began his branching out in London, I believe. He has tended to specialize in newspapers that have a more sensationalistic tone (e.g. the New York Sun). He brought titties to the London tabloids.
He's a pretty big believer, from what I've read in interviews and the like (and no, they're not all on CNN), in using massive headlines to sell news, because after all profit is what it's all about.
Some of what I remember goes back to the 80's when he came to the US. I have a number of relatives who are evil media people (all media people are evil, right?
I'm afraid people have rarely gone bankrupt underestimating people who buy and watch the news, no matter where. By the way, making a profit is not wrong. Coloring how you report the news to maximize it is a gray area. And it redefines the bounds of what's considered to be ethical, which is a pity.
Wendy W.
It's my opinion that the majority of people that hate Fox News do so because Fox is effective. Fox shows people that there is more to the news than what the networks show. IMO if Rupert was a liberal most of his detractors would look the other way, like they did when Clinton was being impeached.
never pull low......unless you are
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I'm afraid people have rarely gone bankrupt underestimating people who buy and watch the news, no matter where. By the way, making a profit is not wrong. Coloring how you report the news to maximize it is a gray area. And it redefines the bounds of what's considered to be ethical, which is a pity.
Not to mention other "invented" wars.
Remember the Maine?
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The World's Most Boring Skydiver
The World's Most Boring Skydiver
QuoteWell, I won't go into the entire history of Rupert because, well, I just don't have that kind of time tonight, but do a google search on "rupert murdoch media empire history" and see what articles pop up.
Let's hit on ONE key point of Fox News.
I guess if you really wanted to start up a news organization that was fair and balanced, you'd probably want to have a head of it that was also fair and balanced. Let's see how Rupert did in picking the head of Fox News. What might Rupert have been looking for on the resume?
Let's see you probably want somebody that knows politics -- right? How about one of the GOP's preeminent political consultants? The man that helped elect; Nixon, Reagan and George H. W. Bush. The guy known as the Dark Prince of right-wing attack politics. One of the key guys in the Willie Horton attacks against Dukakis. The guy that actually said, "the only question is whether we will depict Willie Horton with a knife in his hand or without it."
The guy that produced the Rush Limbaugh TV show.
That guy was Roger Ailes.
From Roger you get; Brit Hume, contributor to the ultra-conservative Weekly Standard, you also get Brit's wife Kim as the Washington Bureau Chief. Nice arrangement eh?
Do you begin to see how the organization is formed? Just exactly how fair and balanced it can be.
BTW, did you know that Ailes is the one the picked the line "fair and balanced"?
I would not disagree that Fox leans more right than the other networks. I also don't think that Ted Turner has cornered the market on honesty. Wasn't it CNN that admitted not reporting events properly in Iraq? They used the excuse that they were protecting sources from retribution. There also seems to be some controversy over the remarks made by Christiane Amanpour. I don't believe everything that I see on Fox, but they are not any less honest than the other news shows.
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QuoteQuoteSince we know how you love Fox News, are there any news sources you'd concede were the slanted to the left?
Sure, just not the ones that most people bitch about. Certainly not the three major networks or CNN regardless of what you might have been told. It simply wouldn't work. They're too decentralized.
For the most part I would say the main stream news media as a whole isn't slanted -either- way -- nor can it be by its very nature.
What? Huh? Dude...I won't dispute that Fox has a slant, but don't try and pass mainstream as "even".
Let's compare the headlines on CNN vs Fox websites (attached). Same prime headliner about the Airman charged with espionage at Gitmo. The sub-headline for the recall vote is there. Bush's speech at the UN, hmm ........ Let's examine:
Fox: "Bush Pitches Global Unity on Iraq -- President asks UN to join terror fight." Plain, to the point. He did address the UN and did invite internationalization. That's a "report".
CNN: "Analysts hear little new in Bush's UN Address" Like I care what a talking head has to say about the address.
Clicking on the links to the stories provides a Fox report (click here). The article provides some quotes, no commentary and an assessment as to what remains to be determined (i.e. when to cede power to the Iraqis and when other countries should actually begin their contribution). It then cites Kofi Annan's criticism and the positions of France, Germany, Iran and the lobbying that the US must pursue. Line-by-line.
The CNN link (click here) cites a Reuters report, with a bunch of analysts. Reuters for crying out loud...so far f**kn* left they would've shamed Pravda during the Cold War if they could run con-currently in Moscow 1983. Who are the famed analysts? Oh, a veritible who's-who of BS: Mohamed Al-Sayed, deputy director of Cairo's Al-Ahram Center for Political and Strategic Studies; Lee Feinstein, Washington director of the Council on Foreign Relations; Ken Weinstein, vice president of the Washington-based Hudson Institute; Guillaume Parmentier, director, French Center on the United States at the French Institute for International Relations; Leon Charney, adviser to President Jimmy Carter on the Camp David Accords and now moderator of a television talk show; Robert Johansen, professor, University of Notre Dame; Manuel Coma, analyst, Spain's Royal Elcano Institute. This is news? WTF?
The rest of the non-political items appear to be equally tagged.
There is a design at work. Maybe Fox is right of center, but they don't fluff it with bullsh*t from French commentators, college professors, Egyptian somebodies with only a minor link to a "full" story with devotes more to Chirac's speech and Kofi Annan than our President. (449 words vs. 649)
QuoteThere are exceptions in both directions and have been throughout history. Usually when too much media power is given (taken) to (by) one individual. Currently the most egregious cases stem from Rupert Murdock and his worldwide influences.
Hardly. Remember the man who had a run on this "power" unopposed for over a decade was CNN's co-founder Ted Turner. Egregious...I'll say.
So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!
SkydiverRick:
Um -- are you being sarcastic?
Wendy W.
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