gemini 0 #1 September 25, 2003 Wounded US Soldiers Charged For Food During Hospitalization Thu Sep 25 2003 10:05:59 ET Imagine this. You're one of the many brave Americans who puts your life on the line to fight the war on terror. You're wounded in action. Your medical care is free. But much to your surprise, when you get your hospital discharge, you also get a bill for your hospital meals! NBC's NIGHTLY NEWS reports: Daily dangers in Iraq, GI's being sniped at, wounded and killed, persisting, the casualties mounting. Marine Reserve Staff Sergeant Bill Murwin, a victim, knows as well as anyone the suddenness and pain of earning a purple heart." Murwin: "We were getting stoned, and a young man threw a hand grenade into my vehicle." "Murwin foot had to be amputated at an Army hospital in Germany. Then came weeks of therapy at a Navy hospital in Washington. Here he was shocked he would lose his food allowance. And once home in Nevada, stunned again by a notice to pay the Army for the meals in Germany. That's right. Sergeant Murwin, about to be released from the Bethesda Navy Hospital, like many of the 1,300 wounded in Iraq, received a food bill, $8.10 a day." All GIs "sent to war get a meal allowance of $8.10 a day, even though they're being fed free, if not well, in a war zone. But once hospitalized, the GI has to eat institutional food and reimburse the $8.10. That's the law." "I've given my life to the marines corps for the last 13 years. And you guys are going to ask me to pay for a month's worth of food? There's something wrong with that." Francis: "Florida's Bill Young, who learned of Murwin's $210 food bill and paid it, moved in Congress today to change the law." Rep. Young: "I paid his bill because I wanted to make a statement. I wanted the leadership of the military hospitals to know that I am serious about this." Blue skies, Jim Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andie787 0 #2 September 25, 2003 You would think that some of that $166 BILLION spent so far would have been used to buy jello and canned stew... There's a lot more going wrong than this if you open your eyes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #3 September 25, 2003 Yeah, this was on this week's "Real time with Bill Maher". I think he led in with "it now costs our military an arm and a leg to lose an arm and a leg". Overall it was a pretty funny episode. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freakydiver 0 #4 September 25, 2003 Good ol US of A coming through yet once again! -- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #5 September 25, 2003 Hmmm, maybe we shouldn't have had all those military cutbacks. Those came in arout 10-11 years ago, right?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freakydiver 0 #6 September 25, 2003 Good one. -- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot90 0 #7 September 25, 2003 QuoteHmmm, maybe we shouldn't have had all those military cutbacks. Those came in arout 10-11 years ago, right? yep someone was to busy getting hummers (not the 4 wheeled kind), instead of taking care of our guys. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #8 September 25, 2003 QuoteHmmm, maybe we shouldn't have had all those military cutbacks. Those came in arout 10-11 years ago, right? Maybe we could have skipped on using a few thousand bombs dropped on civilan homes to catch just one man.....oops, thats right we didn't catch him. Ok, better idea - don't feed our troops and drop more bombs next time, this way pissed off brothers/sisters of the dead civilians can't throw rocks and grenades at our troops. But at least all that military might and intelligence caught OBL....oh wait.....gonna need more bombs! hmmm...It must all be Clinton's fault!_________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #9 September 25, 2003 QuoteQuoteHmmm, maybe we shouldn't have had all those military cutbacks. Those came in arout 10-11 years ago, right? yep someone was to busy getting hummers (not the 4 wheeled kind), instead of taking care of our guys. Maybe we need to teach those in charge how to budget, and stick to it. But hey, we should be ok now...at least we caught the bastard. Oh wait...... Well, at least we are in control of another OPEC seat and can stop drilling in our environment and hope prices come down now....oh wait.....yea, it must all be slick Willie's fault...._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #10 September 25, 2003 How typical: statement: Bush criticism response: Clinton was bad Not really sure what one has to do with the other. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot90 0 #11 September 25, 2003 QuoteWell, at least we are in control of another OPEC seat and can stop drilling in our environment and hope prices come down now....oh wait.....yea, it must all be slick Willie's fault.... I got a better idea. Let's pull out of the UN. Use all that money toward the GI's. They sure are better use than the UN. Then we drill for oil in the US. WE have plenty of oil in alaska and in the gulf. No more oil imports. In fact we prolly could export some and help out our true friends. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DivaSkyChick 0 #12 September 25, 2003 Sometimes you scare me... --- www.facebook.com/mandyhamptonfitch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #13 September 25, 2003 QuoteWE have plenty of oil in alaska and in the gulf. No more oil imports. In fact we prolly could export some and help out our true friends. Are you serious? Where did you come up with that? It's 100% false. Yes, there is some oil that we're not drilling in our own land, but it's not even close to plenty, and wouldn't allow us to greatly reduce, let alone elliminate importation. Export it? Man, you have no idea what you're talking about. Best case scenario: Using the mean estimates of the available resources, opening ANWR to crude oil development is expected to add 800,000 barrels per day to U.S. crude oil production in 2020, 9 years after production in ANWR is projected to begin. The increased production, relative to the AOE2002 reference case, is projected to reduce the net share of foreign oil used by U.S. consumers in 2020 from 62 to 60 percent, while increasing domestic production by 14 percent. A high resource sensitivity case projects that adding ANWR production could add as much as 1.5 million barrels per day to total Alaskan production and reduce import dependence to 57 percent. http://www.eia.doe.gov/oil_gas/petroleum/info_glance/resources.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #14 September 25, 2003 QuoteQuoteWell, at least we are in control of another OPEC seat and can stop drilling in our environment and hope prices come down now....oh wait.....yea, it must all be slick Willie's fault.... I got a better idea. Let's pull out of the UN. Use all that money toward the GI's. They sure are better use than the UN. Then we drill for oil in the US. WE have plenty of oil in alaska and in the gulf. No more oil imports. In fact we prolly could export some and help out our true friends. If I am not mistaken, GWB went back to the UN the other day, tail between his legs, hoping they forgot his comments about the UN being useless, etc....and just about begged for help. GWB must have been fuming inside that he had to do that ...god I love to see an idiot cowboy shown that its not wise to go in guns blazing! Now, maybe he will learn its better to be diplomatic with your politics instead of being an trigger happy dolt._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #15 September 25, 2003 QuoteSometimes you scare me... He always scares me - someone that believes that having a global opinion/view is a bad thing is someone with a very poor vision of how the world really works. Hmmm....Maybe he wants us to build a big wall all around the country while we are at it. Wow, who wound me up today? I need to stop drinking coffee._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot90 0 #16 September 25, 2003 QuoteSometimes you scare me... I try Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot90 0 #17 September 25, 2003 QuoteHe always scares me - someone that believes that having a global opinion/view is a bad thing is someone with a very poor vision of how the world really works. Hmmm... I bet I've been to more of the world and lived among more of the worlds cultures than a lot here. Your version of a "global view" is the real scary thing. I wonder what your view on Arafat, hero or heal? QuoteMaybe he wants us to build a big wall all around the country while we are at it. I don't see ppl trying to sneak in to china, cuba or france as much as they do the good old USA. Damn right I'm proud to be a American. I've been to a lot of the others and NONE come close to us. Free and proud! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #18 September 25, 2003 QuoteQuoteHe always scares me - someone that believes that having a global opinion/view is a bad thing is someone with a very poor vision of how the world really works. Hmmm....Maybe he wants us to build a big wall all around the country while we are at it. I bet I've been to more of the world and lived among more of the worlds cultures than a lot here. Your version of a "global view" is the real scary thing. I wonder what your view on Arafat, hero or heal? So your travels made you even more close minded? It worked just the opposite for me, and, while I saw that the US had a huge part in the world (partially by force), it wasn't the only part of the Global environment. Leaders of a country are often a product of the current state of a country, whether its good or bad compared to western thinking is not always a relevant thing. When we get involved in a foreign country's leadership we tend to make things worse. Do you think that Iran would have taken those hostages in 79 if Carter didn't give the former leader asylum? Then again, there are the times we wait too long and someone kills a few million people and walks across most of Europe. Now, where do we draw the line? Who knows, but I do know I don't trust the current administration to make that decision._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #19 September 25, 2003 QuoteNow, where do we draw the line? Who knows, but I do know I don't trust the current administration to make that decision. Always with you guys it's what you "don't trust". Don't agree with. Don't like. Easy enough to complain. That doesn't help. But fair enough. If you disagree, you should be prepared to state clearly where that line is drawn instead of 'who knows'. Better if you'd state who you'd trust. Would you trust an admin run by Al Gore Better? Any of the current Dem candidates? Arnold Schwar....." Why? And no fair just saying "anybody else", that's the same as complaining without offering alternatives. Again, the candidates out there have a lot of 'soft' commentary ('build a consensus' WTF does that mean?) and disagreements with current policy, and requests for apologies (ooooh that'll help), but no clear set of actions. It's all words. Politics is dead. Both sides are a bunch of sad, snippy little old gossips with bitter tirades about semantics and other ineffectual crap. hey, brownies! gotta run ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #20 September 25, 2003 QuoteQuoteNow, where do we draw the line? Who knows, but I do know I don't trust the current administration to make that decision. Always with you guys it's what you "don't trust". Don't agree with. Don't like. Easy enough to complain. That doesn't help. But fair enough. If you disagree, you should be prepared to state clearly where that line is drawn instead of 'who knows'. Better if you'd state who you'd trust. I've said on here before who I would trust, what my stance is, my particular issues I feel that need to be addressed. I have also campaigned, supported, given time and money to people I felt would do better. In the primary I am most likely going to vote for Clark - I've been following him long before this buzz about him has started._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #21 September 25, 2003 You were last in the postings and I just felt like random tirade. Thanks. Clark huh? Good luck with that {{quietly takes a bite of the brownie}} ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #22 September 25, 2003 Conveniently ignoring my question of where you came up with us being able to stop importing and begin exporting oil? Please, I'm waiting for your explanation. QuoteI bet I've been to more of the world and lived among more of the worlds cultures than a lot here. And I'm sure you came to understand those cultures with the same alacrity that you understand the status of our oil reserves. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #23 September 25, 2003 QuoteI got a better idea. Let's pull out of the UN. Use all that money toward the GI's. Bodypilot: What do you think of Bush and his administration now that they went back to the UN practically begging for help? One day the UN are basically useless in Bush's eyes and the next day he is asking them to bail him out and how they should help him. What do you think of his flip flop mindset on the UN? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #24 September 25, 2003 QuoteAlways with you guys it's what you "don't trust". Don't agree with. Don't like. Easy enough to complain. That doesn't help. But fair enough. If you disagree, you should be prepared to state clearly where that line is drawn instead of 'who knows'. Better if you'd state who you'd trust. Would you trust an admin run by Al Gore Better? Any of the current Dem candidates? Arnold Schwar....." Why? And no fair just saying "anybody else", that's the same as complaining without offering alternatives. Excuse me, but you know what. That's not my job. That's what we have a government for. It's my job to vote for whom I think will do the best job for me. I didn't vote for Bush and I was right to not do so. He's sucked monkey butt on every issue since he came to office. Could Al Gore have done a better job? Yes, I think so, I think just about anybody that doesn't succumb to the whims of the Wolfowitz Cabal would be better in that position. They would most likely try to do what's best, instead of what a bunch of imperialistic elitists have had planned for more than a decade in order to shape a new world order...err...excuse me, they found out that term scared people....the new american century. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot90 0 #25 September 25, 2003 QuoteSo your travels made you even more close minded? Not by any mean. I am smart enough to know arafat is a thug and is at best dishonest. Your side aka clinton tried to pay off n korea to stop it's nuke program. Guess what? It didn't work. QuoteIt worked just the opposite for me, and, while I saw that the US had a huge part in the world (partially by force), it wasn't the only part of the Global environment. But the other nations have a chance to embrace a style of gov't that really works. Like Iraq will if we keep the UN from messing it all up. QuoteLeaders of a country are often a product of the current state of a country, whether its good or bad compared to western thinking is not always a relevant thing. When we get involved in a foreign country's leadership we tend to make things worse. Do you think that Iran would have taken those hostages in 79 if Carter didn't give the former leader asylum? If you think Irans Gov't have the support of the masses think again. I talk weekly with Iranian friends, they someday hope to return to a free Iran. But you have not heard about that on CNN have you? The Shaw was a friend of the USA and we did the right thing granting him asylum. QuoteThen again, there are the times we wait too long and someone kills a few million people and walks across most of Europe. Now, where do we draw the line? QuoteWhen we get involved in a foreign country's leadership we tend to make things worse you can't have it both ways!!! Quote don't trust the current administration to make that decision. yea you'd rather trust a man who dosen't know what is is? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
