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Hamas Says "No" to Truce, Disarm, PLO...just about everything...

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It's an AP Article, which I linked from Fox (just for you Quade... :P). http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,98178,00.html

So, since it's clear that they will not negotiate to any degree on anything, what shall we do?

We know the following:

-- There's no negotiating with terrorists
-- There's no negotiating with terrorists
-- There's no negotiating with terrorists

So, the Gaza strip is prime piece of real estate and I'm wondering if this isn't an opportunity for Israel to negotiate with Syria and Jordan, move out of the Golan Heights and simply eliminate Hamas, taking in Gaza. In light of this, the peace initiative will not survive the holidays and if I were Israel, I would be dusting off the crates of extra guns, rockets, grenades...

There's no negotiating with terrorists. There will be no peace without victory.
So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

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Good one.

It is amazing when I see stories about Palestinian Authority meetings with the various "militant" groups trying to convince them to discontinue attacks.

What is amazing is that they can be called in for meetings, but the PA can't do anything to get rid of the organization as agreed. You see this would result in a civil war, so they just can't do it. Oh well, I guess that is OK then, never mind.:S
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For some reason I can't find this story on CNN.com.

I went to their middle east news page and everything.

You might think that a news conference such as this would be covered by CNN.

Maybe it will show up in a bit, FOX might just be quicker to get it on their site.
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So, the Gaza strip is prime piece of real estate and I'm wondering if this isn't an opportunity for Israel to negotiate with Syria and Jordan, move out of the Golan Heights and simply eliminate Hamas, taking in Gaza. In light of this, the peace initiative will not survive the holidays and if I were Israel, I would be dusting off the crates of extra guns, rockets, grenades...



Your lack of knowledge in regard to the complexity of issues in the Middle East is quite comparable with the understanding of issues your Government demonstrated when it planned for a post war Iraq........

BTW - I assume that when Israel "takes in Gaza" you propose "ethnic cleansing " of the million palestinians living there - Bosnia style?
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For some reason I can't find this story on CNN.com.



Well, If you check other news sites today you wont find much about this either. The main reason is probably that there is nothing new in the story. Hamas has been saying these things for a long time. If you do some search on CNN, BBC and others you will find that the Hamas' position has been widely reported. These things were especially reported when Hamas pledged revenge after Israel started the targeted killings. The Sheik quoted in the article was actually targeted a couple of weeks ago but survived. His son and others were killed in the attack. I also think it was also reported last time suicide bombings occurred. Why does Fox run with it today? No idea - but how you guys think that this has any significance either in regard to the situation i the Middle East or says anything about "bias" is beyond me.

I really don't understand you followers of the "Fox gospel". No matter how many facts you are confronted with you keep on carrying on about the "left wing this and the left wing that". You only use Fox as a source and you do very little research.
I myself vote conservative where I live and luckily there are a few who are conservative but can think independently, do not like to be lied to by any government and who will try to keep an open mind (which means I like the media to be challenging my government so it is kept accountable).
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Take a deep relaxing breath Max.



Why? Proposing to take Gaza and probably killing a huge amount of people is irresponsible and stupid. I am quite fed up with these type of ignorant and gun slinging posts.
You guys were upset about planes crashing into buildings killing lots of innocent people. It would be nice if you started also valuing innocent non-american lives for a change!
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It would be nice if you started also valuing innocent non-american lives for a change!



i really hope you mean innocent israeli lives too by that...

no one wants to take the Gaza strip.
hell, almost no one want to be there at all (and we were out for awhile, when the PA was supposed to take over)
but when rockets fly out of there, and orders for terror attacks are given from there, we have no choice.

hamas leaders surround themselves with civilians all the time as a human shield (sounds familiar, doesnt it?) and on many occasions operations against them are aborted because of that.

i wish for peace, or at least to be fighting where no civilians are present.
but as long as the terrorists hide themselves as civilians, civilians will get hurt.

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Ori,

You're wasting your time. Until some of these people are running for their life down 85 floors of a burning office building that was just deliberately hit by a jetliner flown by some asshole who hates you for no other reason than your ethnicity, they will never understand.

You, my friend understand. You've lived with this all your life.:(

Stay safe my Israeli brother,
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what annoys me is not that they don't understand.
i'd rather have canadians as my neighbors too...

but i don't.
i have a small group, supported by a larger group, supported by the leadership (sometimes secretly) that sees terror as a legitimate way of getting things.

more over, they use diplomacy together with terror, instead of replacing it, which can't be acceptable.

again , i dont want to be in Gaza, nor in most of the west bank, and i don't want to control any palestinian.
but when terror is their way of life, they will be hunted and killed like terrorists.
because when they are hiding and running for their lives they have less time to plan my death.

O
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Take a deep relaxing breath Max.



Why? Proposing to take Gaza and probably killing a huge amount of people is irresponsible and stupid. I am quite fed up with these type of ignorant and gun slinging posts.
You guys were upset about planes crashing into buildings killing lots of innocent people. It would be nice if you started also valuing innocent non-american lives for a change!



Why?
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I really don't understand you followers of the "Fox gospel". No matter how many facts you are confronted with you keep on carrying on about the "left wing this and the left wing that".



I really don't understand you followers of the "CNN gospel". No matter how many facts you are confronted with you keep on carrying on about the "right wing this and the right wing that".



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I really don't understand you followers of the "Fox gospel". No matter how many facts you are confronted with you keep on carrying on about the "left wing this and the left wing that".


Because the 'facts' that you present are used as a drunkard would a lamp-post - certainly not for illumination.
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You only use Fox as a source and you do very little research.


Completely untrue and unsubstantiated.

We Fox Fans do our research quite nicely. Such research is why we are able to state with such unequivocal magnamity our beliefs liberal bias on CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, in the New York Times and LA Times, etc. If you'd actually read our posts sometimes you might find that many of us ADMIT Fox is biased on occasion. We prefer it to the far left tilt of the other media outlets, which many of us also read and watch.
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Until some of these people are running for their life down 85 floors of a burning office building that was just deliberately hit by a jetliner flown by some asshole who hates you for no other reason than your ethnicity, they will never understand.



Chris, that is not political correct, you selfish bastard!;)
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You only use Fox as a source and you do very little research.

Completely untrue and unsubstantiated.

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what annoys me is not that they don't understand.
i'd rather have canadians as my neighbors too...



as would most of their arab "brothers." Care to let some of the lefties here know what arab nations now hold parts of Palestine? Funny they Arafat isn't bombing them. This isn't about land for Arafat and friends it's about power. Always has been.

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BTW - I assume that when Israel "takes in Gaza" you propose "ethnic cleansing " of the million palestinians living there - Bosnia style?


Wow. What an assumption to make. I suggest you not assume such things in future...

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So, the Gaza strip is prime piece of real estate and I'm wondering if this isn't an opportunity for Israel to negotiate with Syria and Jordan, move out of the Golan Heights and simply eliminate Hamas, taking in Gaza. In light of this, the peace initiative will not survive the holidays and if I were Israel, I would be dusting off the crates of extra guns, rockets, grenades...



Your lack of knowledge in regard to the complexity of issues in the Middle East is quite comparable with the understanding of issues your Government demonstrated when it planned for a post war Iraq........

BTW - I assume that when Israel "takes in Gaza" you propose "ethnic cleansing " of the million palestinians living there - Bosnia style?



Next time I will post such items with "tongue in cheek" labeled on.

Taken in the context of what I actually wrote, it was meant to be "swap".

As for my Government's understanding of the issues in the middle east, better that my government is involved, laying out peace plans for Israel, than just watching from the sidelines like Europe is doing --- Bosnia style.

The true context of my post was to say that US policy is to not negotiate with terrorists. Period. I have grown weary of seeing Israel being forced to take such blunt trauma and not proactively wipe out Hamas. Eliminating Hamas, in my view, is not genocide.

From a foreign policy standpoint, Hamas and Islamic Jihad, as organizations, are becoming more of a liability to the PLO, Jordan and Syria than they are an asset. In light of this most recent announcement about no truce, we can surmise that Hamas will continue to blow up school buses, school yards, areas of prayer, social gatherings and just about anything where noncombatant men women and children are likely to be found. The US has been a major inhibitor in preventing the water from boiling over, specifically in that area. I am advocating that we may not be able to do that any more, because, there is no negotiating with terrorists.
So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

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I really don't understand you followers of the "Fox gospel". No matter how many facts you are confronted with you keep on carrying on about the "left wing this and the left wing that".



Surely you don't have a problem with AP do you? Afterall, that was the source of the article. :P
So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

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