kevin922 0 #1 September 25, 2003 I was inquiring about doing some demos and was shocked to find out about the fact that USPA will be cancelling the insurance benifits that have been extended to members as part of membership. Airwardo made a post about it here but i never saw it until now.. he seems to be in the know on this.... Thoughts? What does membership get us now besides a magazine now? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #2 September 25, 2003 I will cancel my membership if this happens - I see no use for the USPA if this happens. I don't need a museum, a full color glossy magazine, or the fancy/expensive offices that they have. Publish online or go cheaper, stop wasting my money on a museum that no one will go to and just keep the lobbyist in the VA area. Move the rest to a cheap DZ space. Hmmm....wow, that was a simple way to reduce costs. Now, keep the insurance. AOPA will be the way to go._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #3 September 25, 2003 This is my renewal month. I thought it was funny that the letter I got last week encouraging me to renew listed "3rd party liability insurance" as the first benefit of renewal, not mentioning that it will only exist for half of the renewal period. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RevJim 0 #4 September 25, 2003 I was thinking, AOPA is huge, compared to the USPA, right? They must have insurance, right? Suuuuure. I haven't found any liability yet, but I'll keep looking. I did find Accidental Death and Dismemberment. Under exclusions I found this:Quote 3. travel or flight in or on, or descent from or with: a military aircraft (except military aircraft with a civil air-worthiness certificate in the normal or utility category in civil use pursuant to the category rating at the time of the accident), an amateur built rotorcraft, an amateur built fixed wing aircraft which is subject to area restrictions imposed by a governmental authority, rocket-powered aircraft, an ultralight, a hang glider, a kite, or a parachute (except a forced jump) or an aircraft not certified by a governmental authority; That's not a good sign.It's your life, live it! Karma RB#684 "Corcho", ASK#60, Muff#3520, NCB#398, NHDZ#4, C-33989, DG#1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Keith 0 #5 September 25, 2003 Quote I thought it was funny that the letter I got last week encouraging me to renew listed "3rd party liability insurance" as the first benefit of renewal, not mentioning that it will only exist for half of the renewal period. Yeah, I noticed that too. I also considered not sending my renewal in, but all three DZs in SoCal are group members - I'd have to stop skydiving. They ought to raise the fee for demo ratings instead of screwing everyone.Keith Don't Fuck with me Keith - J. Mandeville Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,154 #6 September 25, 2003 QuoteI was thinking, AOPA is huge, compared to the USPA, right? They must have insurance, right? Suuuuure. ..... reply] AOPA just passed the 400,000 member mark. I doubt anyone ever asked them for skydiving coverage before., so I'm not surprised there is an exclusion.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RevJim 0 #7 September 25, 2003 QuoteQuoteI was thinking, AOPA is huge, compared to the USPA, right? They must have insurance, right? Suuuuure. ..... reply] AOPA just passed the 400,000 member mark. I doubt anyone ever asked them for skydiving coverage before., so I'm not surprised there is an exclusion. Probably the other way around John. Someone made a skydiving claim against it at some time, and they added the exclusion, I would think. Kinda like Micro$oft patching holes, insurance companies add exclusions.It's your life, live it! Karma RB#684 "Corcho", ASK#60, Muff#3520, NCB#398, NHDZ#4, C-33989, DG#1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ChasingBlueSky 0 #8 September 25, 2003 QuoteThis is my renewal month. I thought it was funny that the letter I got last week encouraging me to renew listed "3rd party liability insurance" as the first benefit of renewal, not mentioning that it will only exist for half of the renewal period. Blues, Dave Would that be considered false advertising or breach of contract? Would seem that they need to carry out insurance for each member until their membership ran out then. Odd that they publish it in the magazine that went to press over a month ago, yet the letter you got last week still talked about it. Either this is an example of the incompetence in the USPA office, or the total disrespect of the intelligence of the members._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ChasingBlueSky 0 #9 September 25, 2003 I was hoping to contact AOPA on this, let me know if you talk to them and find out more. I'm already an AOPA member._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites airtwardo 7 #10 September 25, 2003 Just received word from the USPA that they're in the process of adding a forum to the USPA website addressing these concerns... I was told that an in-depth explanation regarding the situation as it 'currently' stands will also be accompanied by comments received from members of the organization. ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites happythoughts 0 #11 September 25, 2003 A lot of life insurance companies have two exclusions. Piloting a private aircraft and skydiving. People had better start reading the fine print. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Aviatrr 0 #12 September 26, 2003 If the insurance ends, so will my membership. Hopefully the DZ's will start dropping their "Group Membership", or at least not REQUIRE membership to jump there. I can't see USPA going away, though....they are the only "certifying" agency for Instructors and Coaches, right? I wonder if the FAA will step in and make these FAA certificates if the USPA can't maintain the control(of instructor requirements/certification) they have up until this point...? Mike Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freeflir29 0 #13 September 26, 2003 Quotethey are the only "certifying" agency for Instructors and Coaches, right? Well....except for "tandem" ratings. Which is a major portion of the instructor population. Hmmmm......turn the light off if you are the last one out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhreeZone 20 #14 September 26, 2003 Actually.. if you want a USPA licence and the DZ uses a tandem progression the instructors have to have a "Manufactor" rating for each type rig they are going to jump and a USPA Tandem Instructor rating to certifiy they can actually jump with "Students". With out the USPA rating a TM is nothing more then a carnival ride in the eyes of the USPA. There are DZ's out there that are using their own evaluating system and don't have USPA rated JM's anyways.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. 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RevJim 0 #7 September 25, 2003 QuoteQuoteI was thinking, AOPA is huge, compared to the USPA, right? They must have insurance, right? Suuuuure. ..... reply] AOPA just passed the 400,000 member mark. I doubt anyone ever asked them for skydiving coverage before., so I'm not surprised there is an exclusion. Probably the other way around John. Someone made a skydiving claim against it at some time, and they added the exclusion, I would think. Kinda like Micro$oft patching holes, insurance companies add exclusions.It's your life, live it! Karma RB#684 "Corcho", ASK#60, Muff#3520, NCB#398, NHDZ#4, C-33989, DG#1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ChasingBlueSky 0 #8 September 25, 2003 QuoteThis is my renewal month. I thought it was funny that the letter I got last week encouraging me to renew listed "3rd party liability insurance" as the first benefit of renewal, not mentioning that it will only exist for half of the renewal period. Blues, Dave Would that be considered false advertising or breach of contract? Would seem that they need to carry out insurance for each member until their membership ran out then. Odd that they publish it in the magazine that went to press over a month ago, yet the letter you got last week still talked about it. Either this is an example of the incompetence in the USPA office, or the total disrespect of the intelligence of the members._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ChasingBlueSky 0 #9 September 25, 2003 I was hoping to contact AOPA on this, let me know if you talk to them and find out more. I'm already an AOPA member._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites airtwardo 7 #10 September 25, 2003 Just received word from the USPA that they're in the process of adding a forum to the USPA website addressing these concerns... I was told that an in-depth explanation regarding the situation as it 'currently' stands will also be accompanied by comments received from members of the organization. ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites happythoughts 0 #11 September 25, 2003 A lot of life insurance companies have two exclusions. Piloting a private aircraft and skydiving. People had better start reading the fine print. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Aviatrr 0 #12 September 26, 2003 If the insurance ends, so will my membership. Hopefully the DZ's will start dropping their "Group Membership", or at least not REQUIRE membership to jump there. I can't see USPA going away, though....they are the only "certifying" agency for Instructors and Coaches, right? I wonder if the FAA will step in and make these FAA certificates if the USPA can't maintain the control(of instructor requirements/certification) they have up until this point...? Mike Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freeflir29 0 #13 September 26, 2003 Quotethey are the only "certifying" agency for Instructors and Coaches, right? Well....except for "tandem" ratings. Which is a major portion of the instructor population. Hmmmm......turn the light off if you are the last one out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhreeZone 20 #14 September 26, 2003 Actually.. if you want a USPA licence and the DZ uses a tandem progression the instructors have to have a "Manufactor" rating for each type rig they are going to jump and a USPA Tandem Instructor rating to certifiy they can actually jump with "Students". With out the USPA rating a TM is nothing more then a carnival ride in the eyes of the USPA. There are DZ's out there that are using their own evaluating system and don't have USPA rated JM's anyways.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
ChasingBlueSky 0 #8 September 25, 2003 QuoteThis is my renewal month. I thought it was funny that the letter I got last week encouraging me to renew listed "3rd party liability insurance" as the first benefit of renewal, not mentioning that it will only exist for half of the renewal period. Blues, Dave Would that be considered false advertising or breach of contract? Would seem that they need to carry out insurance for each member until their membership ran out then. Odd that they publish it in the magazine that went to press over a month ago, yet the letter you got last week still talked about it. Either this is an example of the incompetence in the USPA office, or the total disrespect of the intelligence of the members._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #9 September 25, 2003 I was hoping to contact AOPA on this, let me know if you talk to them and find out more. I'm already an AOPA member._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #10 September 25, 2003 Just received word from the USPA that they're in the process of adding a forum to the USPA website addressing these concerns... I was told that an in-depth explanation regarding the situation as it 'currently' stands will also be accompanied by comments received from members of the organization. ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #11 September 25, 2003 A lot of life insurance companies have two exclusions. Piloting a private aircraft and skydiving. People had better start reading the fine print. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aviatrr 0 #12 September 26, 2003 If the insurance ends, so will my membership. Hopefully the DZ's will start dropping their "Group Membership", or at least not REQUIRE membership to jump there. I can't see USPA going away, though....they are the only "certifying" agency for Instructors and Coaches, right? I wonder if the FAA will step in and make these FAA certificates if the USPA can't maintain the control(of instructor requirements/certification) they have up until this point...? Mike Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #13 September 26, 2003 Quotethey are the only "certifying" agency for Instructors and Coaches, right? Well....except for "tandem" ratings. Which is a major portion of the instructor population. Hmmmm......turn the light off if you are the last one out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #14 September 26, 2003 Actually.. if you want a USPA licence and the DZ uses a tandem progression the instructors have to have a "Manufactor" rating for each type rig they are going to jump and a USPA Tandem Instructor rating to certifiy they can actually jump with "Students". With out the USPA rating a TM is nothing more then a carnival ride in the eyes of the USPA. There are DZ's out there that are using their own evaluating system and don't have USPA rated JM's anyways.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
