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QuotePerhaps you need another source. Note they also name the place he said this and even the reporter who asked the question.
http://www.losaltosonline.com/articles/2003/09/23/news/community/news01.txt
Huge article that has one small paragraph about Clark, and he basically says, "I won't vote for him, and I can't tell you why, but trust me on it." Um, wow, that swayed me, I'll go vote for Bush now.
Edit to add: This is coming from the same guy that had his 757 come back to American on 9/11 because he was clarvoyent enough to know the weather in NYC and that "there were no computer errors" and this was all he needed to know it was a terrorist attack. Sounds like he needs alot of info to make important choices.
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you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me....
I WILL fly again.....
you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me....
I WILL fly again.....
Military: conform, keep your mouth shut, keep your opinions to yourself, don't stick your neck out.
Clark as NATO: Pushed for what he thought was right, expressed his opinions, didn't conform.
Oh yeah, and he also won a war with ZERO (thats, 0, none, zip) US deaths.
Why was he fired? Yeah, made a bad political decision when he met with a Serbian warlord, but hindsight is 20/20. Naw, he was fired because he spoke his mind and fought (probably too hard) for what he thought was right.
My opinion: The military doesn't like Clark because he's a democrat. It's like he became a traitor, sympathizing with the commie-pinko liberal enemy. (yes, my tongue is in my cheek). Deep down, I think that's what it is.
Clark as NATO: Pushed for what he thought was right, expressed his opinions, didn't conform.
Oh yeah, and he also won a war with ZERO (thats, 0, none, zip) US deaths.
Why was he fired? Yeah, made a bad political decision when he met with a Serbian warlord, but hindsight is 20/20. Naw, he was fired because he spoke his mind and fought (probably too hard) for what he thought was right.
My opinion: The military doesn't like Clark because he's a democrat. It's like he became a traitor, sympathizing with the commie-pinko liberal enemy. (yes, my tongue is in my cheek). Deep down, I think that's what it is.
Never meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!
Sheesh:
Sundevil posts an abreviated version of an article and you attack it's credibility because it was on Fox News. I post the entire article which gives the full story with references to where he said this and even the reporter asking the questions and you attack it because it only has a small reference to Wesley Carp.
The article wasn't ABOUT Wesley Carp. It was an interview with Shelton who made a "statement" about Wesley Carp.
Sundevil posts an abreviated version of an article and you attack it's credibility because it was on Fox News. I post the entire article which gives the full story with references to where he said this and even the reporter asking the questions and you attack it because it only has a small reference to Wesley Carp.
The article wasn't ABOUT Wesley Carp. It was an interview with Shelton who made a "statement" about Wesley Carp.
QuoteMilitary: conform, keep your mouth shut, keep your opinions to yourself, don't stick your neck out.
Clark as NATO: Pushed for what he thought was right, expressed his opinions, didn't conform.
Oh yeah, and he also won a war with ZERO (thats, 0, none, zip) US deaths.Quote
Actually Carp wanted to put troops on the ground but was over ruled by Cohen. Putting troops on the ground was deemed to risky as it would have resulted in many deathsQuoteWhy was he fired? Yeah, made a bad political decision when he met with a Serbian warlord, but hindsight is 20/20. Naw, he was fired because he spoke his mind and fought (probably too hard) for what he thought was right.
My opinion: The military doesn't like Clark because he's a democrat.Quote
Actually, he was fired because he disagreed too much with Cohen and Clinton. Are you saying Carp was right and Clinton was wrong?
What did Carp think was right?It's like he became a traitor, sympathizing with the commie-pinko liberal enemy. (yes, my tongue is in my cheek). Deep down, I think that's what it is.Quote
Then how did he make it to be a 4 Star General???? Apparently somewhere along the way he impressed his superiors.
Well, yes actually that is what he did and IS why he was fired. Yes it was a very poor decision. Really demonstrates what a hypocrit Clinton was doesn't it?
QuoteSheesh:
The article wasn't ABOUT Wesley Carp. It was an interview with Shelton who made a "statement" about Wesley Carp.
usually the headline of an article is a preview of what the article is about. the headline of that article mentions his statement about Clarke - and is almost as long as the paragraph in the article. either a terrible journalist or the paper has an axe to grind. i know my journalism professor would have given me a poor grade for such a misleading header.
Oh, is calling him Carp supposed to be funny, cute, or annoying? I somehow missed your intent. Funny how the conservatives come up with all the really cool nicknames for the liberals, meanwhile we focus more on the issues.
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you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me....
I WILL fly again.....
you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me....
I WILL fly again.....
QuoteClark as NATO: Pushed for what he thought was right, expressed his opinions, didn't conform.
If lying is not conforming then you're right.
QuoteOh yeah, and he also won a war with ZERO (thats, 0, none, zip) US deaths.
Clark was in charge of the person who won the war. Lt General Michael Short commanded the air war. He was also a critic of several of Clark's directives after the war.
Here is a different perspective on the war in Kosovo:
http://www.nettime.org/Lists-Archives/nettime-l-0005/msg00114.html
Another clip:
QuoteOn May 23, 1999, even before NATO had begun the final crescendo of bombing that did most of the damage, President Clinton claimed alliance warplanes had damaged or destroyed one-third of the 1,100 Serb armored vehicles believed to be in Kosovo. When the war ended two weeks later, Defense Secretary William S. Cohen declared that NATO warplanes had "severely crippled" the Serbs´ Third Army, which was deployed to the province.
But official estimates of the damage began falling soon thereafter.
Three months after the air campaign ended, officials said the number of destroyed tanks was 93, rather than the 120 that had been previously estimated. Last month, the Air Force acknowledged that, in a postwar site visit, they had been able to find physical evidence of damage to only 26.
Air Force officials insisted that evidence from other sources-such as witness accounts and satellite pictures--indicated that 93 were struck. But one military officer who had reviewed the evidence said that assertion was "a real stretch."
There were a lot of problems with the war in Kosovo that weren't publicized because of the media love for Clinton. Clark was fired by Shelton because of integrity issues with his superiors. He'll make a great democrat.
"Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." Ben Franklin
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Clark also wanted General Sir Mike Jackson to forcibly remove the russians from the airport using the British 5 Airborne Bde. Mike Jackson refused to do so claiming that he wasn't about to start WW3.
Mike Jackson still has his job.
David
Mike Jackson still has his job.
David
Oh, is calling him Carp supposed to be funny, cute, or annoying?
I'd guess annoying. Seems to be working.
never pull low......unless you are
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Oh, is calling him Carp supposed to be funny, cute, or annoying?
I'd guess annoying. Seems to be working.
Nope. Wrong, made me laugh realize that an educated conservative needs to result to 3rd grade school yard tactics.
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you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me....
I WILL fly again.....
you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me....
I WILL fly again.....
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QuoteClark was fired by Shelton because of integrity issues with his superiors. He'll make a great democrat.
yeah I'd rather have a guy who goes AWOL during his service time and then becomes president and invades a country because God told him to. Must be a great leader since he can hear God.
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Oh, is calling him Carp supposed to be funny, cute, or annoying?
I'd guess annoying. Seems to be working.
Nope. Wrong, made me laugh realize that an educated conservative needs to result to 3rd grade school yard tactics.
Gee a thread about Clarks flip flop and you don't see the humor in calling him Wesley Carp? Perhaps you should remove the..... never mind
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Oh, is calling him Carp supposed to be funny, cute, or annoying?
I'd guess annoying. Seems to be working.
Nope. Wrong, made me laugh realize that an educated conservative needs to result to 3rd grade school yard tactics.
Hmm.... Lets see
"File this under DUH for W"
"God I love to see an Idiot Cowboy"
" a trigger happy dolt"
Now who's words could these be HMMMM..........
Mine!
But those are more than just a play on words, so that has to have me at least at a 5th grade level!
It's pretty easy to make the conservatives angry, huh?
I may have to make it a new hobby of mine...kinda fun. Now, here is hoping that they put the O'Reilly Factor between Friends and ER...we need a much better comedy than Coupling there.
Oh yea, picked up Newsweek last night and read most of it on the flight down to FL last night (between watching a really cool A&E special on HG Wells)....I found it interesting how Fox News took a good article (mostly neutral) and try to turn it into slander or a negative spin on Clark. There was a big W supporter in the seat next to me, told me how she is near the age of retirement and how tired she is of the political spin and she will most likely be voting dem for Pres because of how bad the current administration is and how she wished she didn't waste her vote on W.....it is going to be a very interesting election, and I for once believe that Bush will lose the race. Now, will it be Dean or Clark? Newsweek hinted, again, at the chance that Gore and Hillary may still run.
Now, I need to get to the Discovery magazine article about Gravity - all the political talk isn't going to get us anywhere....the conservatives will hate anything Dem, the Liberals will look at both sides and make a real choice, both sides will call names....and in the end it'll be the electoral college and a few hanging chads that matter the most. Not all this bantering between skydivers.....
Now, let's go jump.
But those are more than just a play on words, so that has to have me at least at a 5th grade level!
It's pretty easy to make the conservatives angry, huh?
I may have to make it a new hobby of mine...kinda fun. Now, here is hoping that they put the O'Reilly Factor between Friends and ER...we need a much better comedy than Coupling there.
Oh yea, picked up Newsweek last night and read most of it on the flight down to FL last night (between watching a really cool A&E special on HG Wells)....I found it interesting how Fox News took a good article (mostly neutral) and try to turn it into slander or a negative spin on Clark. There was a big W supporter in the seat next to me, told me how she is near the age of retirement and how tired she is of the political spin and she will most likely be voting dem for Pres because of how bad the current administration is and how she wished she didn't waste her vote on W.....it is going to be a very interesting election, and I for once believe that Bush will lose the race. Now, will it be Dean or Clark? Newsweek hinted, again, at the chance that Gore and Hillary may still run.
Now, I need to get to the Discovery magazine article about Gravity - all the political talk isn't going to get us anywhere....the conservatives will hate anything Dem, the Liberals will look at both sides and make a real choice, both sides will call names....and in the end it'll be the electoral college and a few hanging chads that matter the most. Not all this bantering between skydivers.....
Now, let's go jump.
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you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me....
I WILL fly again.....
you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me....
I WILL fly again.....
http://www.losaltosonline.com/articles/2003/09/23/news/community/news01.txt
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