Muslim...

[mnischalke 0]

is not a race. It's a religion.

Just FYI...

mike

Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills--You know, like nunchuk skills, bow-hunting skills, computer-hacking skills.

[vonSanta 0]

Islam is a religion. A muslim is someone adhering to it

Sorry, couldn't resist.
Are you suggesting that frowning upon muslims or exhalting them to the skies isn't racism? I'd agree. None of those two approaches (or varying degress of them) are very useful though.

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A muslim is someone adhering to it

It's still not a race. If anything it's a nationality.

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[quade 4]

Try to not dwell too much on how you want to split hairs when defining hate speech. It's all bad.

I'm fully aware that some people do not like my brand of politics, but I would hope that we could all agree that racisim is a bad thing and probably shouldn't be tolerated by intelligent, civilized people.

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Try to not dwell too much on how you want to split hairs when defining hate speech.

Is it hate speech if it's factual? I'll agree that the post we're talking about (the post I think we're talking about) was in poor taste, but it was factual.

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[pds 0]

Mus·lim ( P ) Pronunciation Key (mzlm, mz-, ms-, ms-)
n.
also Mos·lem (mzlm, ms-) A believer in or adherent of Islam.
A member of the Nation of Islam; a Black Muslim.


now lets all just stfu about it. the post was meant to stir shit. seems to be a rash of that lately.

namaste, motherfucker.

[skybytch 273]

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I'll agree that the post we're talking about (the post I think we're talking about) was in poor taste, but it was factual.

IIRC the same "test" started a shitstorm here awhile back. I think I'd have locked that thread too, just to avoid a repeat.

Now, do we really need yet another semantics discussion or can this be taken to PM's?

[billvon 3,111]

>It's still not a race. If anything it's a nationality.

Similar to Judaism, I think - refers to a religion that has a cultural, national and something of a racial identity.

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IIRC the same "test" started a shitstorm here awhile back. I think I'd have locked that thread too, just to avoid a repeat.

Oh. Not sure how I missed that one. For the record, I wasn't criticizing the locking of the thread, just curious about the phrase 'hate speech'.

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Now, do we really need yet another semantics discussion or can this be taken to PM's?

No need to take it to PM's, I was simply curious and could really care less about the locked thread.

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I'll go back to my drinking now.

Finally, someone brought some common sense to this thread. Lets all go join Jimbo and drink

[Jimbo 0]

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Lets all go join Jimbo and drink

Drinking and Joe Schmo, now.

*hic*

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now lets all just stfu about it. the post was meant to stir shit. seems to be a rash of that lately.

It's certainly a raw subject and there are many that cannot maintain their composure, especially online (presentation means a lot, even if factually correct)....but the same could be said of your choice of avatars of late also. Seriously, I'm not trying to be gratuitous...simply comparing "soap boxes" per se.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

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i am guessing that you just speedtyped that and raced to click 'post reply' gawain. there is no other logical explanation.

what in the fuck do humorous icon pics of smoking bums and walking middle fingers have to do with a DEADLY and INSIDIOUS practice like racism?

or maybe you mean the om sign i was using last night?

that was just stupid. and gratuitous.

hows that for presentation?

namaste, motherfucker.

[mnischalke 0]

I do so wish we could stop calling this racism. It is not racisim. It's a cultural war that somebody else started, or is trying to start, or what the fuck ever. It's still not racism. Arabs and Semites are the same "race," yet there has been nothing said about Jews. Are ya getting the point here?

Remember, more humans in the last 10 centuries have died for religion than for any other cause. There's just something strangely ironic in that.

mike

Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills--You know, like nunchuk skills, bow-hunting skills, computer-hacking skills.

[pds 0]

this is about that shitfuckstupid post that isolated every major crime ostensibly committed by a muslim for the past 20 years and presented it as a justification for calling islam the enemy.

if i gave enough of a shit about this i would assemble a list of just a few of the heinous crimes and acts of terrorism that have been perpetuated by our country over the last 2 decades. i ASSURE you that we are far more qualified, experience and proven than whatever imaginary enemy that post was trying to create.

so you keep on mincing words and feeling good. i am going to keep an both eyes on my own homefront.

in this context - on these boards- amongst US, expressions such as this are patently racist.

if you want to condone racism, do it. but play semantic games and find technical loopholes for assholes at your own risk. you and they can post and say anything you want - and i can say anything i want about it. until the greenies stuff a dirty sock in my mouth.

namaste, motherfucker.

[quade 4]

Fine.

Then do you really just want me to use the UN phrase "racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and related intolerance"?

Does it -really- need to be spelled out that way or will most intelligent people understand what is meant by the shorter term.

Must we really be that pedantic?

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Must we really be that pedantic?

Considering that words are all we have to express ourselves, to convey ideas, thoughts, and feelings, then I think that we must absolutely be that pedantic, at least out here in cyberspace. In a face to face conversation we have the benefit of body language, tone, and other subtle clues that are often lost in the written word. Again, I think it's in everyone's best interest to say (or type) exactly what they mean so as to avoid confusion.

In this particular case, I do think it's important to call this what it is, anti-nationalism maybe, but racism, no.


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In this particular case, I do think it's important to call this what it is, anti-nationalism maybe, but racism, no.

it is violence. that is what it is and that is what it promotes. violence has a very definite place in the world and this website is not that place.

namaste, motherfucker.

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Remember, more humans in the last 10 centuries have died for religion than for any other cause. There's just something strangely ironic in that.

I think you will find Malaria is the biggest killer of mankind, carried by mosquitos who incidentally are not Islamic.

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[jfields 0]

Mike,

Saying it is a cultural war and finding fault with all Arabs/Muslims/whatever is racist. Just because we have a problem with a subset of a geographic or religious group does not mean that the entire group deserve the negative perceptions and harassment posts like that other one are trying to incite.

It would be just as "factual" for me to list every action of the KKK and Aryan Nation then deduce that white people are trying to have a cultural war against blacks and that all white people are crazed terrorists. The logic doesn't hold in that circumstance, nor does it with respect to Arabs/Muslims/whatever.

Defending those gross and inaccurate generalizations, and the intentional misrepresentation of an entire religios/ethnic group is racism.

[mnischalke 0]

Wrong.

Muslim is not a color. It is not a race. Arab is part of a race which also encompasses people of Semitic desent. Many Arabs are also Muslim. Nobody said anything about race. Your KKK/Aryan/white people analogy misdirects the discussion, taking it completely out of context. If you said KKK/Aryan/protestant, you might have a case.

If everybody wants to use "feel good," "politically correct" (rather, politically motivated) terms as they armchair quarterback the issues of the world, I'll let ya'll too it.

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Defending those gross and inaccurate generalizations, and the intentional misrepresentation of an entire religios/ethnic group is racism.

Ummmm, are you calling someone here a racist based upon a list posted in another thread? whatever.

To address PDS, I have personally witnessed more violence occur because of the gesture you so wantonly display in your avatar (what's funny to you may be obscene or anger provoking to others) than I have for reasons of skin color, what you wear on your head or what god you worship--and I get out a lot.

mike

Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills--You know, like nunchuk skills, bow-hunting skills, computer-hacking skills.

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Your KKK/Aryan/white people analogy misdirects the discussion, taking it completely out of context.

Actually, it doesn't.

Pick some identifiable group of people. Based on ANYTHING. Pick any group. White, black, Jewish, Protestant, Southern, gay, straight, skydiver, whuffo, etc. Now, take a small non-representative subset of that group. If you take the actions of the subset to represent the whole and use it to promote strife and violence, it is discriminatory and malicious. If the group was based on race, it is racism. If it was based on something else, make up your own "-ism", but it still falls under discrimination.

It doesn't have to do with "feel good" or "politically correct". The way you toss those out in parentheses as derrogatory terms is in itself a political subversion of the situation. Contrary to your statements, being "PC" often has nothing to do with refraining from discrimination. It is just common sense and refraining from being an ass.

[wmw999 2,587]

If by quibbling about the name for some bigoted speech, writing, or behavior pattern causes the focus to shift away from the speech, writing, or behavior pattern, then the bigotry wins.

Maybe bigotry is the word we're looking for. That word doesn't specifically denote prejudice based on race, religion, ethnicity, nationality, gender, sexual orientation, mental status, disability, or previous condition of life (or anything else I can think of)

And "bigot" does get the idea across. Posting something that only looks at offenses by practicioners of a particular religion is rather bigoted behavior.

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Pick some identifiable group of people. Based on ANYTHING. Pick any group. White, black, Jewish, Protestant, Southern, gay, straight, skydiver, whuffo, etc.

So are you saying that because you can "Identify" theses people in a group that they are their own race. That is so nonsensical. I can just see the headlines. The Gays pulled out the race card in court today.

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...If you take the actions of the subset to represent the whole and use it to promote strife and violence, it is discriminatory and malicious...

Show me where that was the case here.

mike

Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills--You know, like nunchuk skills, bow-hunting skills, computer-hacking skills.