narcimund 0 #1 October 1, 2003 The Free State Project announced today its decision to liberate New Hampshire. For more info, see: Associated Press Story Free State press release First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mailin 0 #2 October 1, 2003 hehe - my husband will want to move there now! I'm not far in RI, but my husband has been a registered libertarian for 5 years and longs to see stuff like this. Thanks for the heads up! JenniferArianna Frances Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #3 October 1, 2003 This should be, at the very least, studied.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #4 October 1, 2003 Your husband must be pretty cool then. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #5 October 1, 2003 Good grief. New Hampshire is already one of the most conservative states in the Union, with less taxes, oversight, regulations or governmental interference. If they want this study to work, I think they should try Oregon, or Vermont. It would be far easier to note the impacts in changes to the highly socialized systems there.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #6 October 1, 2003 QuoteIf they want this study to work, I think they should try Oregon, or Vermont. It would be far easier to note the impacts in changes to the highly socialized systems there. I don't believe FSP is characterized as a study. The goal is to quickly and effectively achieve the desired state of liberty, not to investigate and research the challenges under stress. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lurch 0 #7 October 2, 2003 Liberate New Hampshire? Thats kinda redundant. I live there. Its already free. Thats like saying you're going to corrupt Washington, DC. Whats the point. No seat belt law over 18. No helmet laws No gun registrations/permits It cost me 144$ to register my cars this season....for both of them. Thats right, 72$ each. We got nice roads we got lots and lots of TREES! The cops are mostly cool here and will leave you alone unless you're doing 92 mph, at night, with no lights, on a bike trail. Hell, we don't even have mandatory auto insurance laws and somehow we don't have total automotive anarchy here. NO state income tax! I went to California once, I'd heard it was free-er than my home state....I fled screaming, pedal to the metal, tach at 9 grand for 3,200 miles till I got home. In Cali, everything not forbidden is compulsory. Everything not compulsory is forbidden. They even tax you on AIR in cali and it seems their entire government exists only to figure out new ways to triple charge you for being allowed and licensed to do some basic life activity, like eating walking or breathing....and if you don't yet need a permit for whatever you're doing there right now, you will soon. At a hefty price for the privilege of being licensed to do that I might add. My impression of California was a consumer culture concrete wasteland theme park franchise ghetto with hideously expensive landscaping. Hell On Earth with an unusual number of pieces of unusually good car audio gear being stolen by an unusually large number of unusually skilled car stereo-stealing "gank-sta"s....who despite all kinds of laws controlling their access to guns are more well armed than the L.A.P.D. SWAT team.... My life was in constant danger on the bike trails due to the supremacy of the most hazardous "yuppie spandex biker clans"....you've seen these guys. Mirrors on their bikes. Lots of yellow spandex. Those fucked up shoe pedal clip thingies. Those utterly ridiculous ducks-ass looking bike helmets they think somehow make them more aerodynamic and faster. They refer to their fellow cyclists as "fellow cyclists." They come heavily armed with lawyers and credit cards. They travel in large packs on the trails moving at 2 mph creating a terrible danger to all us jean-jacket wearing shattered reflectors and beat up primer-colored 10 speed riding thrash bikers who only want to ride at 92 mph at night with no lights without undue risk of collision. Pepper spray is an effective deterrent/trail obstacle remover, however. As for these FSP guys, if they want to help make us free like Cali is free, STAY HOME!!!! If they want to move here and try to help us hold our ground against psychotic politicians and suits trying to convince us we need to pay 90% of our income for the privilege being allowed to earn money drive a car or breathe the atmosphere, come on then! We're under siege here! This state is the last quasi-free space left on the continent short of Manitoba and the only reason THATS free is there's nobody THERE! HEEELP! Bring guns beer and dog food! Build a wall! DO something!!! /end rantLive and learn... or die, and teach by example. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #8 October 2, 2003 That was absolutely beautiful! WRT to the FSP people, I think largely you'll find they're even more extreme (in the same direction) than you are. You do seem to have some strange cultural bigotries like this lycra fetish (or anti lycra fetish or whatever). I don't think FSP has a stand on that. But I think you'll get along overall. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #9 October 2, 2003 Lurch: Tell us how you REALLY feel about Cali... My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #10 October 2, 2003 QuoteGood grief. New Hampshire is already one of the most conservative states in the Union, with less taxes, oversight, regulations or governmental interference. Exactly what I was thinking. Oh well.... - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lurch 0 #11 October 2, 2003 Its not the lycra...I LOOOOVE ladies in spandex, whoever invented that stuff should be prosecuted for glandular cruelty to the male species.... What I can't stand is the 311 lb lawyer in skintight yellow thinks he's getting in shape and saving the environment by riding a bicycle 600 yards at 2 mph before stuffing his folded ass in his ford excursion for an air conditioned 2 mpg drive to the nearest McD's drive through to replenish his obviously depleted bodily resources before sailing into court to sue McD's for making him too obese to ride that bike in the first place.Live and learn... or die, and teach by example. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bendywendy 0 #12 October 2, 2003 That's great I'm a Live Free and Die state alumni - my family still lives there. It really hurt to give up that plate but it hurts even more paying the higher registration & insurance fees in Florida and NJ. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #13 October 2, 2003 You know, Lurch, I can sympathize even without ever seeing your 311 pound lawyer. Unfortunately I don't think FSP has any plans to promote governmental limits on lycra-wearing among the overweight. Perhaps we'll just have to consider this an inalienable right and deal with it, ok? Either that or change the motto to "Dress attractively or die" First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lurch 0 #14 October 2, 2003 It wasn't even that I had to deal with just one of them, man, it was the fact that they showed up in herds on the trails posing an unspeakable hazard to navigation.... If the FSP has to accept the inalienable right of fat guys to wear spandex in order to help protect my right to drive with no seat belt and no insurance, I guess I can just shut up and deal with it. *sigh* the things I tolerate in the name of freedom......Live and learn... or die, and teach by example. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jfields 0 #15 October 2, 2003 I agree with some of the ideals of the FSP, but disagree with others. I think some of them are a matter of experience and perspective. Seeing someone paralyzed after an auto accident that wasn't their fault could do it. Especially if the other driver had no insurance, causing the victim to end up jobless and unable to take care of their own bills. Is that really a triumph for freedom? There are examples of government regulation scattered around that really are good ideas. Granted, a huge majority are silly, but it isn't practical to ditch them all. I see a fine line of goals that are for both the common good and individual freedom, and those that ultimately sacrifice both for a short-sighted goal. From what I saw on the FSP website, and if some posts in this thread are representative, this project straddles that line, with some good and some negative. Perhaps I'm just not radical enough to fully buy in to the mindset. So, Narcimund, moving to New Hampshire? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
