Gawain 0 #26 October 3, 2003 QuoteExactly! BTW, I was sort of hoping you'd find some more damaging quotes from further in his past that the Republicans had lambasted him for saying . . . none of which come close to the gaff Schwarzenegger made. Sorry, I'm working off the cuff tonight... Schwarzeneggar said it correctly today, "Where there's smoke, there's fire." Face it, the people you and I are today, are not the people we were 25 years ago. Sh*t, in 1980 I felt sorry for Jimmy Carter when he lost the election. I've since come around. QuoteHis dad was born in 1947? J/K Got URL for the father as police chief thing? I got this from the java-script time-line on Arnold's entertainment web-site, link: http://www.schwarzenegger.com/en/life/hislife/index.asp?sec=life&subsec=hislifeSo I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #27 October 3, 2003 Ok, for anyone that has actually studied Hitler (no, not the crap on the History Channel), they will know that he was actually very very talented. He was also a sociopath, but that and the very very evil things he did aside, he was VERY good at getting people to listen to what he said and follow what he wanted done. How many other leaders can you think of that could motivate people to do what he had done? I can only think of a handful off the top of my head. Stalin is one of the people I'm thinking of... (Note: Do I agree with what Hitler or Stalin did to people when they were in power? Hell no. It is absolutely horrible.)--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #28 October 3, 2003 Quote I got this from the java-script time-line on Arnold's entertainment web-site, link: http://www.schwarzenegger.com/en/life/hislife/index.asp?sec=life&subsec=hislife I dunno, I was hoping for something a little less, um, biased. I mean, I doubt anyone would openly call their own father a Nazi unless there was something really exceptional going on.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #29 October 3, 2003 From SacBee...http://www.sacbee.com/24hour/politics/story/978299p-6862372c.html QuoteThe father's Nazi Party membership and combat record in the German army are not new, and his son's dismay about it is well known. The revelations of SA membership that emerged a week ago add another strand to the murky story. The "SA 1.5.1939" listing shows that the elder Schwarzenegger joined May 1, 1939, the year after Germany annexed Austria and six months after the brownshirts played a crucial role in the bloody Kristallnacht riots. The Simon Wiesenthal Center, which in 1990 investigated Gustav Schwarzenegger's wartime past at his son's request, plans to conduct new research before the Oct. 7 California recall election to establish what the father's unit did, said Rabbi Marvin Hier. Whatever it finds out, "We will give it to Arnold, then to the public," Hier told The Associated Press in a telephone interview from the center's Los Angeles headquarters. "Whatever the record shows, so may it show. Should that record have any bearing on Arnold Schwarzenegger himself? In my opinion, absolutely not." This is no secret.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #30 October 3, 2003 > The liberal slime machine is right on schedule . . . Damn straight! Why can't we have a state-controlled media, where bad stuff about our exalted leaders (future, past and present) is wisely supressed? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jib 0 #31 October 3, 2003 Is there some sense of decorum which the media should observe? Or are should they report whatever and however they want? -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
darkvapor 0 #32 October 3, 2003 QuoteI'll simply say that he admired Hitler in 1975 I think there is a HUGE difference between admiring someone, and respecting them. Same thing goes for admiration and sharing views and beliefs. It all depends on context. You say "Arnold admires Hitler!", ofcourse thats part of the sensationalistic journalism some people are looking for. Admire has many different meanings in many different contexts. There are certain qualities that I respect of world leaders, regardless of their ideologies. Hilter, Stalin, Caesar, and many other leaders had very many admirable qualities. Like their ability to lead, motivate, control, speak, plan, and especially their ability to execute their desires. Fucked up as their desires may be, they are all admirable from that standpoint. And I say that even with my own background (both Russian and Jewish descent). I am not offended by Arnold saying he admired Hitler, and neither should anyone else. Especially people who have absolutely no comprehension of the Nazis and their history (Californians are not known for their intelligence and clear thought). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #33 October 3, 2003 QuoteDamn straight! Why can't we have a state-controlled media, where bad stuff about our exalted leaders (future, past and present) is wisely supressed? Prior to the emergence of non-leftwing media, I would have yelled a lot louder . . . but why can't we have mainstream media that brings to light the bad stuff about all political figures, instead of ignoring it in some cases (such as the Broderick rape case)? . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #34 October 3, 2003 Quote You say "Arnold admires Hitler!", ofcourse thats part of the sensationalistic journalism some people are looking for. -I- didn't say it -- HE said it. It's a quote!quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #35 October 3, 2003 Quote(Californians are not known for their intelligence and clear thought). Hey!!! I'm doing my best, but these folks are a tough lot. I'm gonna need reinforcements when I get up to Berkley... So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #36 October 3, 2003 Quote (Californians are not known for their intelligence and clear thought). Oh? And THAT's not bigoted? Oh-kaaayyy....quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
darkvapor 0 #37 October 3, 2003 QuoteDamn straight! Why can't we have a state-controlled media, where bad stuff about our exalted leaders (future, past and present) is wisely supressed? No, I'm not saying that. However, what about some integrity, ethics, and down-right common sense? This is not a news story. This has no bearing on Arnold, today, right now, being able to run for office. What about that sleazy politician who mowed down a motorcycle and killed the rider? He had something like 10 prior traffic violations. HE IS A CRIMINAL! Someone make a big deal about that! Someone charge that guy with manslaughter and send him to jail! [Forgive me for my lack of names and more details, but this is a recent event, and OBVIOUSLY isn't getting much air time since it was recently revealed that Arnold is a Jew/Black/Mexican/Woman hating Nazi that needs to be sent to a concentration camp himself. Leave Arnold and this petty crap alone! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #38 October 3, 2003 QuoteQuote (Californians are not known for their intelligence and clear thought). Oh? And THAT's not bigoted? Oh-kaaayyy.... I'd call it stereotype.. . So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jib 0 #39 October 3, 2003 QuoteQuote"Arnold admires Hitler!" -I- didn't say it -- HE said it. It's a quote! & you presented it in a fair and balanced fashion devoid of sensationalism -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #40 October 3, 2003 Quote I personally think there are a lot of other very good reasons to not want him in office. This, to me, is mearly amusing to watch and incredibly stupid for him to have said and not remembered. After all the stuff that Hillary and Bill could not remember during the Whitewater investigations, it is amazing that she wrote a book of her memoirs. Seems like it would be a shorter book. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #41 October 3, 2003 Never claimed to be "Fair and Balanced" only truthful.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #42 October 3, 2003 QuoteNever claimed to be "Fair and Balanced" only truthful. So truthful and sensationalized... j/k...So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sunman 0 #43 October 3, 2003 Quade, Who give a shit? I remember a few years back during the Clinton/Lewinsky scandal, all the democrats stuck up for Clinton, saying what he did with his dick was none of our business and that he was still a good president (but maybe not a great husband). Now the democrats are being total hypocrites, going after a man for what he did with his dick (and the stupid things he said) some 2-3 decades ago. Shouldn't we make our decisions based on the issues, or do you want it to be politics as usual, where we just fling crap at each other? I respect Arnold. He is a self-made empire and a financial genius, and I like where he stands on many issues. I'm not even saying I would vote for the guy, but I would give him a chance. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #44 October 3, 2003 Quote What about that sleazy politician who mowed down a motorcycle and killed the rider? He had something like 10 prior traffic violations. HE IS A CRIMINAL! Someone make a big deal about that! Someone charge that guy with manslaughter and send him to jail! [Forgive me for my lack of names and more details, but this is a recent event, and OBVIOUSLY isn't getting much air time since it was recently revealed that Arnold is a Jew/Black/Mexican/Woman hating Nazi that needs to be sent to a concentration camp himself. You must be right, the no good commie liberal media like CNN or CBS would NEVER report a story like that. The Janklow story is old news and has been covered extensively.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
darkvapor 0 #45 October 3, 2003 Quote-I- didn't say it -- HE said it. It's a quote! Right, an easily misconstrued quote that can be taken out of context and used against someone. I'm saying that is completely the case here. That's what makes this story go to press. It doesn't matter how Arnold meant it. But these journalists know EXACTLY how the people that are against Arnold will use it. They know how simple minded fools will understand it. They don't care about that. Are they breaking any printed journalistic ethics? Hrmm, a fine line, but probably not. They aren't lying. You aren't lying. But they are using something that doesn't mean anything, and turning it into the biggest scandal of the month. Arnold didn't say anything radical, he didn't say anything racist, he didn't say anything hateful. But what these people did is take a comment he said 28 years ago and turn it against him, out of context, and made it seem like he said something so terrible that he can never hold public office. He didn't say ANYTHING offensive! Can anyone here say that they think that saying "Arnold admired Hitler" (in the context that Arnold actually said it, not that quote all by itself) is offensive? That that is some radical and minority opinion? Wasn't Hitler Time's Man of the Century? MY GOD! TIME'S EDITORS ARE NAZIS! KILL THEM ALL! edited: hrmm, can't find who won Time's "person of the century". Was it Einstein or Hitler? either way.. Hitler was a big consideration for that title... for the same reason's Arnold said he "admired" Hitler Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #46 October 3, 2003 Quote . . . a financial genius . . . Uh, got URL? Please, just one? Please show me anybody credible that really thinks Schwarzenegger is "a financial genius".quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
darkvapor 0 #47 October 3, 2003 QuoteThe Janklow story is old news and has been covered extensively. I'm not saying it wasn't covered. But it was a 15 second clip on headline news, and got its fair share of an average news story. This Arnold thing has been on the front page of every online news source tonight. That's going too far. Your saying that what Arnold said (or rather, the media coverage of it) deserves that same kind of attention? I know this will all die down by Friday night, but it shouldn't be a topic of discussion to begin with. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #48 October 3, 2003 QuoteQuote . . . a financial genius . . . Uh, got URL? Please, just one? Please show me anybody credible that really thinks Schwarzenegger is "a financial genius". I don't have a link, but I'd say the small amount of money he immigrated here with and the fortune he has amassed through his busiensses, acting and the like...that's pretty good return. So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sunman 0 #49 October 3, 2003 QuoteQuote . . . a financial genius . . . Uh, got URL? Please, just one? Please show me anybody credible that really thinks Schwarzenegger is "a financial genius". Excuse my overstatement. The man is good with money. He has taken his movie and endorsement money and done smart things with it. Thank you for responding to the least important part of my post and ignoring the rest of it. Like I said, politics as usual. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #50 October 3, 2003 > but why can't we have mainstream media that brings to light the bad >stuff about all political figures, instead of ignoring it in some cases . . . Exactly! The left wing liberal media never printed anything negative about Clinton, Carter, any of the Kennedys . . . Heck, the only place you saw anything at all about the Lewinsky scandal and Whitewater was on the Rush Limbaugh show. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
