sheldond 0 #76 October 3, 2003 I'm always amazed as to when it comes to an election, that all the opponents, media, and disgruntled people associated with it, spend their time and hard earned money to go to any lengths to dig up dirt on someone to discredit someone. Take it from someone who works at a news station, you can not take anything you see or hear on the news as absolute truth. All stations will cut, edit, switch words, and make any story fit their biased opinion. Have we not all taken history in school? Is it not true that Hitler was a very power man? For someone so small (and not even from Germany) to take hold of a country, and nearly lead it to world domination; that has something to say about power. Obviously, Arnold's alleged quote was taken out of context, and doesn't have the meaning we are lead to believe. When will the mud slinging end in politics? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
feuergnom 29 #77 October 3, 2003 QuoteQuoteI could Noop...because that article is full of crap... It mentions Ahnulds father taking part in 'Kirstalnacht' and him being in one of the worst sectiones of the nazi troops, while in fact he was just a simple village police-officer, in service of the nazi's. What many people seem to forget was that back then, a lot of people didn't have a choice...it was join or die.... But damn...I realy can't believe a lot of people's dumbwitted belief in newsarticles... Just look at the facts and form your own opinion instead of just eating the judgment the media is feeding you.... so it looks like you made one of the very few reasonable statements in here. thanx for taking your timeThe universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle dudeist skydiver # 666 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jfields 0 #78 October 3, 2003 QuoteYes they, the mainstream liberal media, dredged it up and deployed it right on time in an attempt to trip Arnold. Right.... [sarcasm] It is a huge conspiracy. Hundreds of millions of card-carrying liberal citizens using secret handshakes and spycraft with hundreds of thousands of propaganda-spouting liberal media-controlling executives in a colossal psychological operation to undermine democracy and take over the world. [/sarcasm] Get over it. Quit using media-bashing as an attempt to deny, distort and diffuse the truth. The media is quite happy to dig up dirt and bash anyone. They have plenty of faults, but being the dedicated servant of the Democratic Party isn't one of them. The facts don't support your claims. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #79 October 3, 2003 QuoteGo re-read that quote and really ask yourself if he admired the man solely for his public speaking skills. Be honest. Yep I do think he means just that. I admire the skills Hitler had...He was a fanatical maniac with a really fucked up sense of everything, but he was a master leader. He came out from prison, and took one of the poorest countries in the world to almost World domination in a few short years. He was a very sick man, and I am sure the long line of people that would willing die to stop that manic before he started is long and infact starts right behind me. But he was a very good speaker, and he was a powerful leader... Some people can't look at a part of a thing when it is as terrible as Hitler....But some can. I can it seems Arnold can as well.. And don't forget at one time almost ALL of Germany was behind Hitler. As for his father...My great grandfather rode with Jessie James.....Does that make my Grandfather a Crook?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites feuergnom 29 #80 October 3, 2003 whazzup quade - run out of arguments? or did you finally realize that you are just following stupid media?The universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle dudeist skydiver # 666 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kmcguffee 0 #81 October 3, 2003 QuoteThey have plenty of faults, but being the dedicated servant of the Democratic Party isn't one of them. The facts don't support your claims. The fact that the majority of Americans think the media is a servant of the Democratic Party and the fact that an entire news channel has become number one based on their disassociation with that belief might be just a little bit of evidence. Whad'ya think? I believe the media is dedicated to the service of the all mighty dollar first. Most journalists tend to be liberal in their beliefs (just look at the journalists on this forum and review their beliefs). Don't you think their beliefs haves some bearing on the types of stories they focus on and the way in which they report those stories? "Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." Ben Franklin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites miked10270 0 #82 October 3, 2003 Quotewhazzup quade - run out of arguments? or did you finally realize that you are just following stupid media? Err... Firey Dwarf! let's keep in non personal and attack the topic, not the poster please. Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skybytch 273 #83 October 3, 2003 Quotelet's keep in non personal and attack the topic, not the poster please. What Mike said. Discussion is fine. Attacking the issue is fine. Attacking someone because their opinion differs from yours is not fine. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gawain 0 #84 October 3, 2003 QuoteDiscussion is fine. Attacking the issue is fine. Attacking someone because their opinion differs from yours is not fine. What's more...when things are FINE...they're: F.*ck*d-up I.nsecure N.eurotic E.motional Ahhh politics...evil, bad, but soooo much fun... So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jfields 0 #85 October 3, 2003 Quotethe fact that an entire news channel has become number one based on their disassociation with that belief might be just a little bit of evidence. Whad'ya think? I think not, honestly. If more people watch Friends than the news, does that mean there was a media conspiracy against clueless yuppies hanging out in New York coffeehouses until it went on the air? I'm glad that has been remedied. Or how about the Food Network offering up television to the millions of people that must have been starving? Aside from all of that, the very existence of Fox disputes the assertion that the liberals are totally in charge of the media. How about all the "liberal media" coverage of Democratic scandals? Surely the mouthpiece of the Democratic Party would have silenced all information and media negativity about those incidents. The "liberal media" sure kept quiet on the scandals of the Clinton era. Nothing against the liberals ever made the news then. Like I said, the facts just don't support the conspiracy theory unless you twist them to for other purposes. QuoteI believe the media is dedicated to the service of the all mighty dollar first. That I agree with. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites feuergnom 29 #86 October 3, 2003 QuoteQuotelet's keep in non personal and attack the topic, not the poster please. What Mike said. Discussion is fine. Attacking the issue is fine. Attacking someone because their opinion differs from yours is not fine. okokok... i'm sorry and i'll try not be become personal again. apologies accepted? what makes me angry is quoting stupid media (sorry guys & gals - american media are not worth reading/listing etc, because they are even worse than the british yellow press) if said quade had done (maybe he did but didn't tell, or bother to tell) some search on the topic on NON-US-BASED sites he might have had a different point of view and skipped that article and schwarzeneggers statement for what it was: making major bs out of something said ages ago (but that was stated by other posters to...) definitely i'll keep out of threads were american politics are discussed. europeans will never even get the slightest grip on american motifs an who & why (or why not) to elect The universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle dudeist skydiver # 666 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kmcguffee 0 #87 October 3, 2003 QuoteIf more people watch Friends than the news, does that mean there was a media conspiracy against clueless yuppies hanging out in New York coffeehouses until it went on the air? That is two different types of entertainment. I'm comparing news against news. QuoteLike I said, the facts just don't support the conspiracy theory unless you twist them to for other purposes. I agree it is not some type of organized conspiracy but the lean to the left is there. Do you agree with this part or just decide not to address it: QuoteMost journalists tend to be liberal in their beliefs (just look at the journalists on this forum and review their beliefs). Don't you think their beliefs have some bearing on the types of stories they focus on and the way in which they report those stories? "Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." Ben Franklin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jfields 0 #88 October 3, 2003 QuoteIf more people watch Friends than the news, does that mean there was a media conspiracy against clueless yuppies hanging out in New York coffeehouses until it went on the air? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- That is two different types of entertainment. I'm comparing news against news. I think the talkshows on Fox (which have had the biggest impact on their ratings) are as much entertainment as news. So if you compare "news reporting", Fox isn't number one as claimed. So it isn't as apples to oranges as you think. QuoteDo you agree with this part or just decide not to address it: Neither. I don't agree or ignore. I refute it. Our country's media really is market-driven. They show what we want to see. What we (as a nation) choose to watch is pretty damned pathetic, but they cater to us. Do they ram Reality TV down our throats? No. They air one and watch the ratings. If we eat it up, they offer more. And more, and more. When we get fed up with something and the ratings tank, they eventually pull it. We watch crap, but the method of the programmers determining what we want to see is pretty refined. The same thing applies to the political slant they put on things. There are enough channels and time slots to view damned near anything you want, any way you want, and they try giving us everything in their effort to find new marketing avenues. So, if the media has basically given us what we have wanted, through a process of constant evolution, how can it be drastically left of center as you claim? It can't. It is pretty close to the center. There is a lag time between how the media reports the news and pitches their programs and the general preferences of the public. The media responds to the public, rather than the other way around. They try programs on both ends of the spectrum, and the ones more attuned to what we want to see do better, gradually shifting the effective centerpoint of what the media is portraying. Rinse and repeat. But at no time is the media really out of touch with the preferences of the country. A station may be, or a show, or even an entire network. But the media behemoth is too big, too complex and too efficient not to evolve based on the public wishes. So people that see some big left-slant to the news are probably just farther to the right of average than they think. Yes, Fox is shifting the media-wide centerpoint slightly right, based on what we want to see. It is on the far right fringe, but it does change the average. Being right of center doesn't mean that the center is too far left. But Fox is hardly in response to some nebulous left-controlled left-leaning media problem. It is just gradual amorphous evolution. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #89 October 3, 2003 Quote whazzup quade - run out of arguments? or did you finally realize that you are just following stupid media? I -do- occasionally sleep. It's facinating to me how when I point out something good the media does people seem to gloss over that, but when I point out something that they specifically disagree with or doesn't fit their view of the world, suddenly I'm a negative troll. When this is all done with the fact will remain that Schwarzenegger said what he said. He can applogize if he wants, he can donate money to worthy causes. YOU can decide whatever you want to about him or me.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnischalke 0 #90 October 3, 2003 Hey now, I do work in the media, and while I am a magazine editor, I guess you could say I wear a journalist's hat sometimes. I sincerely doubt you'd call me liberal. Then again, if ya knew who I worked for... mike Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills--You know, like nunchuk skills, bow-hunting skills, computer-hacking skills. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnischalke 0 #91 October 3, 2003 QuoteI think the talkshows on Fox (which have had the biggest impact on their ratings) are as much entertainment as news. So if you compare "news reporting", Fox isn't number one as claimed. So it isn't as apples to oranges as you think. Funny how it's "entertainment" when it's on Fox, but when it's on one of the more left-leaning, left-owned and left-operated networks, it's news. I say it's all sensational!!! mike Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills--You know, like nunchuk skills, bow-hunting skills, computer-hacking skills. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites WrongWay 0 #92 October 3, 2003 Hey, I'd vote for him, just as long as he did his famous "Get out of the ellicopter!!! AAAARRRRGGGHHHH!!!!" and as long as after every press conference, he turns around to say "I'll be back." Wrong Way D #27371 Mal Manera Rodriguez Cajun Chicken Ø Hellfish #451 The wiser wolf prevails. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites feuergnom 29 #93 October 3, 2003 pm's on the wayThe universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle dudeist skydiver # 666 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites shedao 0 #94 October 3, 2003 Quote However, using a comment like that against Arnold is just another ploy by these bed wetting liberals that are scared to shit that they are losing power all across America. Or maybe it was just a fucked up thing to say.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jfields 0 #95 October 3, 2003 You are saying that our local NBC4 nightly news is the same as a talkshow-format opinion show? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #96 October 3, 2003 QuoteBut if you take someone with no CRW training...they will not handle a wrap well.... That proves a point, though Paul. Truth has no value, it can not be measured, it can not be quantified. The only thing that is true is true to the person who believes it is true. Someone thinks that JFK was shot by a single shooter...that's their truth, someone thinks that it was a government conspiracy with multipul shooters...that's their truth also. Who's right? Well, the government says that the one shooter scenerio is the truth, but that doesn't prove the truth, it only states that the government believes in their version and belief of what the truth is. Thus, your truth and other people's truth are different, since your truth is influenced greatly by your belief system (as is everyones).--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,111 #97 October 3, 2003 >Truth has no value . . . Gotta disagree with you there. There _are_ objective truths, like who killed someone or whether the earth is flat or not. For years, many religions preached that the earth _was_ flat, and made life miserable for those who professed to believe otherwise. That's not just a difference of opinion, that's wrong. >Someone thinks that JFK was shot by a single shooter...that's their > truth, someone thinks that it was a government conspiracy with > multipul shooters...that's their truth also. That doesn't change the fact that there is only one, real truth. People may believe various versions of them, but no amount of belief or desire will make another bullet appear in JFK's body. What happened happened; we can't change it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #98 October 3, 2003 So you're going to tell me that your basic belief system is not going to influence, at all, your perception of truth as a whole?--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #99 October 3, 2003 I -think- you've misquoted me, but I'll happily gloss over that because you've made a very good point about the "truth". Most people don't make the distinction between "truth" and "facts". A fact simply is. It is undeniable. 1 plus 1 equals 2 is an undeniable fact. Truth on the other hand depends on an agreement between the mind, beliefs and facts. 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jfields 0 #78 October 3, 2003 QuoteYes they, the mainstream liberal media, dredged it up and deployed it right on time in an attempt to trip Arnold. Right.... [sarcasm] It is a huge conspiracy. Hundreds of millions of card-carrying liberal citizens using secret handshakes and spycraft with hundreds of thousands of propaganda-spouting liberal media-controlling executives in a colossal psychological operation to undermine democracy and take over the world. [/sarcasm] Get over it. Quit using media-bashing as an attempt to deny, distort and diffuse the truth. The media is quite happy to dig up dirt and bash anyone. They have plenty of faults, but being the dedicated servant of the Democratic Party isn't one of them. The facts don't support your claims. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #79 October 3, 2003 QuoteGo re-read that quote and really ask yourself if he admired the man solely for his public speaking skills. Be honest. Yep I do think he means just that. I admire the skills Hitler had...He was a fanatical maniac with a really fucked up sense of everything, but he was a master leader. He came out from prison, and took one of the poorest countries in the world to almost World domination in a few short years. He was a very sick man, and I am sure the long line of people that would willing die to stop that manic before he started is long and infact starts right behind me. But he was a very good speaker, and he was a powerful leader... Some people can't look at a part of a thing when it is as terrible as Hitler....But some can. I can it seems Arnold can as well.. And don't forget at one time almost ALL of Germany was behind Hitler. As for his father...My great grandfather rode with Jessie James.....Does that make my Grandfather a Crook?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
feuergnom 29 #80 October 3, 2003 whazzup quade - run out of arguments? or did you finally realize that you are just following stupid media?The universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle dudeist skydiver # 666 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kmcguffee 0 #81 October 3, 2003 QuoteThey have plenty of faults, but being the dedicated servant of the Democratic Party isn't one of them. The facts don't support your claims. The fact that the majority of Americans think the media is a servant of the Democratic Party and the fact that an entire news channel has become number one based on their disassociation with that belief might be just a little bit of evidence. Whad'ya think? I believe the media is dedicated to the service of the all mighty dollar first. Most journalists tend to be liberal in their beliefs (just look at the journalists on this forum and review their beliefs). Don't you think their beliefs haves some bearing on the types of stories they focus on and the way in which they report those stories? "Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." Ben Franklin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #82 October 3, 2003 Quotewhazzup quade - run out of arguments? or did you finally realize that you are just following stupid media? Err... Firey Dwarf! let's keep in non personal and attack the topic, not the poster please. Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #83 October 3, 2003 Quotelet's keep in non personal and attack the topic, not the poster please. What Mike said. Discussion is fine. Attacking the issue is fine. Attacking someone because their opinion differs from yours is not fine. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #84 October 3, 2003 QuoteDiscussion is fine. Attacking the issue is fine. Attacking someone because their opinion differs from yours is not fine. What's more...when things are FINE...they're: F.*ck*d-up I.nsecure N.eurotic E.motional Ahhh politics...evil, bad, but soooo much fun... So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jfields 0 #85 October 3, 2003 Quotethe fact that an entire news channel has become number one based on their disassociation with that belief might be just a little bit of evidence. Whad'ya think? I think not, honestly. If more people watch Friends than the news, does that mean there was a media conspiracy against clueless yuppies hanging out in New York coffeehouses until it went on the air? I'm glad that has been remedied. Or how about the Food Network offering up television to the millions of people that must have been starving? Aside from all of that, the very existence of Fox disputes the assertion that the liberals are totally in charge of the media. How about all the "liberal media" coverage of Democratic scandals? Surely the mouthpiece of the Democratic Party would have silenced all information and media negativity about those incidents. The "liberal media" sure kept quiet on the scandals of the Clinton era. Nothing against the liberals ever made the news then. Like I said, the facts just don't support the conspiracy theory unless you twist them to for other purposes. QuoteI believe the media is dedicated to the service of the all mighty dollar first. That I agree with. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
feuergnom 29 #86 October 3, 2003 QuoteQuotelet's keep in non personal and attack the topic, not the poster please. What Mike said. Discussion is fine. Attacking the issue is fine. Attacking someone because their opinion differs from yours is not fine. okokok... i'm sorry and i'll try not be become personal again. apologies accepted? what makes me angry is quoting stupid media (sorry guys & gals - american media are not worth reading/listing etc, because they are even worse than the british yellow press) if said quade had done (maybe he did but didn't tell, or bother to tell) some search on the topic on NON-US-BASED sites he might have had a different point of view and skipped that article and schwarzeneggers statement for what it was: making major bs out of something said ages ago (but that was stated by other posters to...) definitely i'll keep out of threads were american politics are discussed. europeans will never even get the slightest grip on american motifs an who & why (or why not) to elect The universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle dudeist skydiver # 666 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kmcguffee 0 #87 October 3, 2003 QuoteIf more people watch Friends than the news, does that mean there was a media conspiracy against clueless yuppies hanging out in New York coffeehouses until it went on the air? That is two different types of entertainment. I'm comparing news against news. QuoteLike I said, the facts just don't support the conspiracy theory unless you twist them to for other purposes. I agree it is not some type of organized conspiracy but the lean to the left is there. Do you agree with this part or just decide not to address it: QuoteMost journalists tend to be liberal in their beliefs (just look at the journalists on this forum and review their beliefs). Don't you think their beliefs have some bearing on the types of stories they focus on and the way in which they report those stories? "Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." Ben Franklin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jfields 0 #88 October 3, 2003 QuoteIf more people watch Friends than the news, does that mean there was a media conspiracy against clueless yuppies hanging out in New York coffeehouses until it went on the air? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- That is two different types of entertainment. I'm comparing news against news. I think the talkshows on Fox (which have had the biggest impact on their ratings) are as much entertainment as news. So if you compare "news reporting", Fox isn't number one as claimed. So it isn't as apples to oranges as you think. QuoteDo you agree with this part or just decide not to address it: Neither. I don't agree or ignore. I refute it. Our country's media really is market-driven. They show what we want to see. What we (as a nation) choose to watch is pretty damned pathetic, but they cater to us. Do they ram Reality TV down our throats? No. They air one and watch the ratings. If we eat it up, they offer more. And more, and more. When we get fed up with something and the ratings tank, they eventually pull it. We watch crap, but the method of the programmers determining what we want to see is pretty refined. The same thing applies to the political slant they put on things. There are enough channels and time slots to view damned near anything you want, any way you want, and they try giving us everything in their effort to find new marketing avenues. So, if the media has basically given us what we have wanted, through a process of constant evolution, how can it be drastically left of center as you claim? It can't. It is pretty close to the center. There is a lag time between how the media reports the news and pitches their programs and the general preferences of the public. The media responds to the public, rather than the other way around. They try programs on both ends of the spectrum, and the ones more attuned to what we want to see do better, gradually shifting the effective centerpoint of what the media is portraying. Rinse and repeat. But at no time is the media really out of touch with the preferences of the country. A station may be, or a show, or even an entire network. But the media behemoth is too big, too complex and too efficient not to evolve based on the public wishes. So people that see some big left-slant to the news are probably just farther to the right of average than they think. Yes, Fox is shifting the media-wide centerpoint slightly right, based on what we want to see. It is on the far right fringe, but it does change the average. Being right of center doesn't mean that the center is too far left. But Fox is hardly in response to some nebulous left-controlled left-leaning media problem. It is just gradual amorphous evolution. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #89 October 3, 2003 Quote whazzup quade - run out of arguments? or did you finally realize that you are just following stupid media? I -do- occasionally sleep. It's facinating to me how when I point out something good the media does people seem to gloss over that, but when I point out something that they specifically disagree with or doesn't fit their view of the world, suddenly I'm a negative troll. When this is all done with the fact will remain that Schwarzenegger said what he said. He can applogize if he wants, he can donate money to worthy causes. YOU can decide whatever you want to about him or me.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnischalke 0 #90 October 3, 2003 Hey now, I do work in the media, and while I am a magazine editor, I guess you could say I wear a journalist's hat sometimes. I sincerely doubt you'd call me liberal. Then again, if ya knew who I worked for... mike Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills--You know, like nunchuk skills, bow-hunting skills, computer-hacking skills. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnischalke 0 #91 October 3, 2003 QuoteI think the talkshows on Fox (which have had the biggest impact on their ratings) are as much entertainment as news. So if you compare "news reporting", Fox isn't number one as claimed. So it isn't as apples to oranges as you think. Funny how it's "entertainment" when it's on Fox, but when it's on one of the more left-leaning, left-owned and left-operated networks, it's news. I say it's all sensational!!! mike Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills--You know, like nunchuk skills, bow-hunting skills, computer-hacking skills. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WrongWay 0 #92 October 3, 2003 Hey, I'd vote for him, just as long as he did his famous "Get out of the ellicopter!!! AAAARRRRGGGHHHH!!!!" and as long as after every press conference, he turns around to say "I'll be back." Wrong Way D #27371 Mal Manera Rodriguez Cajun Chicken Ø Hellfish #451 The wiser wolf prevails. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
feuergnom 29 #93 October 3, 2003 pm's on the wayThe universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle dudeist skydiver # 666 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shedao 0 #94 October 3, 2003 Quote However, using a comment like that against Arnold is just another ploy by these bed wetting liberals that are scared to shit that they are losing power all across America. Or maybe it was just a fucked up thing to say.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jfields 0 #95 October 3, 2003 You are saying that our local NBC4 nightly news is the same as a talkshow-format opinion show? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #96 October 3, 2003 QuoteBut if you take someone with no CRW training...they will not handle a wrap well.... That proves a point, though Paul. Truth has no value, it can not be measured, it can not be quantified. The only thing that is true is true to the person who believes it is true. Someone thinks that JFK was shot by a single shooter...that's their truth, someone thinks that it was a government conspiracy with multipul shooters...that's their truth also. Who's right? Well, the government says that the one shooter scenerio is the truth, but that doesn't prove the truth, it only states that the government believes in their version and belief of what the truth is. Thus, your truth and other people's truth are different, since your truth is influenced greatly by your belief system (as is everyones).--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #97 October 3, 2003 >Truth has no value . . . Gotta disagree with you there. There _are_ objective truths, like who killed someone or whether the earth is flat or not. For years, many religions preached that the earth _was_ flat, and made life miserable for those who professed to believe otherwise. That's not just a difference of opinion, that's wrong. >Someone thinks that JFK was shot by a single shooter...that's their > truth, someone thinks that it was a government conspiracy with > multipul shooters...that's their truth also. That doesn't change the fact that there is only one, real truth. People may believe various versions of them, but no amount of belief or desire will make another bullet appear in JFK's body. What happened happened; we can't change it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #98 October 3, 2003 So you're going to tell me that your basic belief system is not going to influence, at all, your perception of truth as a whole?--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #99 October 3, 2003 I -think- you've misquoted me, but I'll happily gloss over that because you've made a very good point about the "truth". Most people don't make the distinction between "truth" and "facts". A fact simply is. It is undeniable. 1 plus 1 equals 2 is an undeniable fact. Truth on the other hand depends on an agreement between the mind, beliefs and facts. If the belief system changes, the "truth" can change, but not the facts.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #100 October 3, 2003 bill, I believe AggieDave is coming at this from a Philo 101 perspective and from that point of view, his definitions are, I believe, the "truth". quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
