quade 4 #26 September 16, 2003 You mean THIS piece?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DivaSkyChick 0 #27 September 16, 2003 --- www.facebook.com/mandyhamptonfitch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,119 #28 September 17, 2003 >Actually, that's my point. Federal revenues can be increased by lowering taxes. The GAO disagrees. From the LA Times: WASHINGTON — Something remarkable will happen here today. A senior congressional figure will declare the federal budget, in effect, a disaster area — and official Washington will probably react with a shrug. Even though the government is on track to run a record deficit in excess of $500 billion next year, neither President Bush nor congressional leaders have proposed doing anything to balance the budget anytime soon. Their strategy: to wait for a vigorous economy to do the job for them. That makes David M. Walker, head of the General Accounting Office, Congress' investigative arm, a rare Cassandra. He is giving a speech today warning that the nation's long-term fiscal outlook is seriously out of whack. And he challenges the assumption that economic recovery will solve the problem painlessly. "We need a wake-up call," Walker said in an interview. "We need to come to terms with reality: The gap is too great to grow our way out of the problem. Tough choices will be required." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #29 September 17, 2003 As seen in the FutureCam, he -IS- running. This is going to be very interesting. http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/09/17/elec04.prez.clark/index.html Americans for Clark web site has QuickTime and Windows Media of announcement he made to his supporters.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #30 September 17, 2003 QuoteDon't discount the charisma factor when analyzing a candidate...any candidate. I don't discount the charisma factor, but I don't see any charisma coming from Clark. Seriously, this guy has an amazing service record, and I make no bones about that. But a service record does not equal ability to manage a political environment. His 27 years of service has been in an arena of no compromise needed. Personally, I think the Clintons are using him to ensure failure of all the other Democratic candidates. Clark may be smart, but he's not savvy. This will be his own undoing, I believe. Bush's political arsenal is massive compared to what Clark has. Bush may not be the best public speaker, but we all know he is smart, and if you think he's not savvy, then he's already got one over on you. Hilary needs Clark to fail in 2004, so she has a clean field to work within in 2008. The Clintons have successfully created a void in the "left" because they will not gracefully bow from the spotlight like every other former first family.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #31 September 17, 2003 Yep, especially when the truth about Clark and his many flip-flops start getting press. http://www.fair.org/press-releases/clark-antiwar.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #32 September 17, 2003 Hell of a conspiracy theory you got goin' there. Seems like a pretty bad gamble on the Hillary side for it to be reasonable. Clark would have to win the candidacy, but lose the election. My first assumption would be that if Clark won the candidacy that he would, in fact, win the election -- he has some interesting cross-over potential as long as GWB continues the course he's currently sailing. Nawww, I'm not buying into your theory.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #33 September 17, 2003 I'd have to look at all the references, but my initial reaction is that he probably did have a bit of trepidation at the start, said all these things and that when taken out of context it looks like he was playing both sides of the fence at that time. I think most intelligent people looked long and hard into the situation and had numerous internal and external debates on the merits. Regardless, he has clearly stated his position now and only time will tell if the majority of the people will agree with him that it was a huge mistake to enter into this current war with Iraq.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #34 September 17, 2003 I have to respectfully disagree. One cannot make it to General Officer without having political savvy. It is a political position, wherein he must lobby for funds and deal with strategy, and not mere tactics. It is policy, and General Officers must be politicians to be there, especially in the 4 star rank. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikkey 0 #35 September 17, 2003 Looking from the outside I am getting the sofa and the popcorn ready in front of the TV to watch the US news channels. This is going to be so very entertaining. How does the GOP handle a 4-star general who actually has successfully demonstrated that he can work with the Europeans in solving international conflicts (Kosovo)? A "liberal" 4-star general must be a nightmare for GWB. Only question is if the Democrats with their tendency for self-destruction will stuff this one up. This is going to be fun to watch. I watched Fox last night our time and saw how they were struggling with the issue . Watching American politics is just so much more entertaining for an overseas observer then your sitcoms .--------------------------------------------------------- When people look like ants - pull. When ants look like people - pray. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kmcguffee 0 #36 September 17, 2003 Quotehe can't admit that the campaign worked He never will. He is an egomaniac. He was also a tactical idiot when he was a General. Ask anyone from the 1st Cavalry Division about his infamous "Box formation". The OCs at NTC used to get a good laugh seeing us all die in a nice little box in the desert. At least he is not a whimp like the rest of the democratic candidates. "Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." Ben Franklin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #37 September 17, 2003 QuoteHe was also a tactical idiot when he was a General. I'm curious, exactly how many US troops died in Kosovo?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kmcguffee 0 #38 September 17, 2003 QuoteI'm curious, exactly how many US troops died in Kosovo? 0 although I would give that credit to the air war commander, Air Force Lt. Gen. Michael C. Short, not Clark. Now answer this. In Kosovo, was Clark a tactical or operational level commander? I said he was a "tactical idiot". "Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." Ben Franklin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #39 October 8, 2003 Just an update, Clark's campaign manager has walked. Maybe no different than any other campaign, but is a pretty clear indicator that the focus that started the campaign didn't have a sound foundation. AP ArticleSo I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiverRick 0 #40 October 8, 2003 QuoteJust an update, Clark's campaign manager has walked. Maybe no different than any other campaign, but is a pretty clear indicator that the focus that started the campaign didn't have a sound foundation. AP Article Clark's just there to keep Hilary's slot open in 2008. never pull low......unless you are Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #41 October 8, 2003 Quote Clark's just there to keep Hilary's slot open in 2008. As previously stated, this would be a goofy sort of strategy. There are not many serious political analyists that believe Clark is any sort of Stalking Horse. I will admit that there are some right-wing talking point pundits that believe so, but then again, I know some folks over at the Art Bell show that believe in UFOs.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #42 October 8, 2003 QuoteQuote Clark's just there to keep Hilary's slot open in 2008. As previously stated, this would be a goofy sort of strategy. There are not many serious political analyists that believe Clark is any sort of Stalking Horse. I will admit that there are some right-wing talking point pundits that believe so, but then again, I know some folks over at the Art Bell show that believe in UFOs. Hey, Davis had his eye on the White House for 08 too you know. This recall removed one potential hurdle for Hillary. Besides Clark, the only other person with any steam in his campain is Dean, and he a lose/lose proposition for the Democrats. It's pretty easy math. The Clinton's love that spotlight and they still haven't given it up.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiverRick 0 #43 October 8, 2003 I know some folks over at the Art Bell show that believe in UFOs. You're not saying that there aren't UFO"s are you? never pull low......unless you are Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
