tcnelson 1 #26 October 7, 2003 israel is defending itself against the slew of arabic countries the surround and hate them, and they are also not wantonly harboring terrorists and generally threatening the western world or gasing their own people; so why would israel need invading?"Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch NBFT, Deseoso Rodriguez RB#1329 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #27 October 7, 2003 QuoteQuoteLet's also not forget that the Bush administration criticized the UN inspectors for not finding any evidence in a 3 month time period . . . I thought the criticism was not taking the stated actions over a 12 year period. I also thought the admin was sympathetic that any small inspection team was futile considering the scope of the mission and the size of the country and the behavior of the Iraqi leaders. In particular when the inspection team was being sheparded by the same Iraqi leadership. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites juanesky 0 #28 October 7, 2003 Well Kallend, you may look it like that, but the UN went to war with IRAQ. They surrended unconditionally if they accepted certain conditions for the hostilities that took place. Israel has not been in the same situation, and they are constantly attacked ever since their indepence 50+ years ago. If you don't remember, their arab neighbors have repeatedly gone to war with them, do you want the dates? Yet Israel kicks their but, and the first thing you hear them is bitching and crying wolf. It is time they assume education outside the fanatical coran studies, and contemplate that this could be in fact a better world if we do tolerate each other, and respectfully. Why can not Israel repeat what the port city of Haifa does, leave peacefully among themselves? well, it is this group assuming the terror on their own hands, and making their own sons blow themselves up while they celebrate this? It is odd, very odd that you also forgot that Israel has given back most of the territories back to those nations that lost it Sinai to egypt and so on, and did so peacefully. They are not perfect either, but not all the blame goes to them neither."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #29 October 7, 2003 QuoteNot really, I think that the issue with Iraq was never a connection with Al-qaeda, but the possibility of these two joining forces, particulary with the issue of having the possibility of black market arms sales to terrorist who we know what intentions they have. That is not my point. You mentioned that in other countries state owned and operated media is used as an only source of information and that the leadership of those countries (ab)uses that. My point back was thet eventhough the media in the US is not state owned, it is still being (ab)used by the government to make poeple think certain things and to gain support. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #30 October 7, 2003 QuoteWell Kallend, you may look it like that, but the UN went to war with IRAQ. They surrended unconditionally if they accepted certain conditions for the hostilities that took place. Israel has not been in the same situation, and they are constantly attacked ever since their indepence 50+ years ago. If you don't remember, their arab neighbors have repeatedly gone to war with them, do you want the dates? Yet Israel kicks their but, and the first thing you hear them is bitching and crying wolf. It is time they assume education outside the fanatical coran studies, and contemplate that this could be in fact a better world if we do tolerate each other, and respectfully. Why can not Israel repeat what the port city of Haifa does, leave peacefully among themselves? well, it is this group assuming the terror on their own hands, and making their own sons blow themselves up while they celebrate this? It is odd, very odd that you also forgot that Israel has given back most of the territories back to those nations that lost it Sinai to egypt and so on, and did so peacefully. They are not perfect either, but not all the blame goes to them neither. I don't think that was Kallend's point. You mentioed that Iraq was in violation of UN resolutions and therefor people should not complain about the US invading them. My point and I think Kallends point as well is that otehr countries, most notable Israel, have been in violation of more UN resolutions over a longer timespan than Iraq. Hence your point isn't really valid in the argument. You could conclude that obviously the US had other motives than just enforcing UN resolutions when they invaded Iraq. The question and debate has always been about what those other motives were. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tcnelson 1 #31 October 7, 2003 the government is using the media, huh.... yes, i remember all the times that i've been watching ABC, CBS, CNN, NBC, etc. and i've said, "that's the most blatantly conservative remark i've ever heard!". seriously, there are two types of mainstream media; liberal and centrist (fox)"Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch NBFT, Deseoso Rodriguez RB#1329 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,146 #32 October 7, 2003 QuoteWell Kallend, you may look it like that, but the UN went to war with IRAQ. They surrended unconditionally if they accepted certain conditions for the hostilities that took place. Israel has not been in the same situation, and they are constantly attacked ever since their indepence 50+ years ago. If you don't remember, their arab neighbors have repeatedly gone to war with them, do you want the dates? Yet Israel kicks their but, and the first thing you hear them is bitching and crying wolf. It is time they assume education outside the fanatical coran studies, and contemplate that this could be in fact a better world if we do tolerate each other, and respectfully. Why can not Israel repeat what the port city of Haifa does, leave peacefully among themselves? well, it is this group assuming the terror on their own hands, and making their own sons blow themselves up while they celebrate this? It is odd, very odd that you also forgot that Israel has given back most of the territories back to those nations that lost it Sinai to egypt and so on, and did so peacefully. They are not perfect either, but not all the blame goes to them neither. If failure to comply with UN resolutions were always justification for war, Iraq would have been well down the list of countries that we should invade.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites juanesky 0 #33 October 7, 2003 A valid point justin, but mine were many, first the not retraction from people against Arnold to have used the false statements as FACTS. No apologies, except from the NY times, for now. How come they are not racing the same way they used it against him? Shit, when I put my foot in my mouth, the least I can do is be man enough to admit it. I am far from perfect, and not expect to go through life becoming a know it all. But a fact is a fact. Like Iraq and what type of person he was, what really gets me is that oposition to the whole issue prefer to side with him instead of what the trend and history has tought us."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites turtlespeed 226 #34 October 7, 2003 Ok, so get a group of 12 people together. I'll invite you over to my house, show you that I have 1000 marbles in a small bag. You get to leave, and only come back when I say. So you come back, and I walk you around my house, you ask me about several locked closets, and I say that it's time for you to leave. You come back forcibly, and break down the closets. You don't find any marbles. but you find several marble bags that I didn't have time to hide from you. Do you think it might take you a while to find the marbles now? If you don't find them does it mean they never existed?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #35 October 7, 2003 Quote My point back was thet eventhough the media in the US is not state owned, it is still being (ab)used by the government to make poeple think certain things and to gain support. Government and "shadow government" of corporate interests -- some of which are world-wide entities. "They" do not control directly, but rather have subtle and not so subtle influences on many aspects of our lives. No. I'm not talking about "X-files" stuff, but come to think of it, "X-files" did run on his network. quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #36 October 7, 2003 Quotethe government is using the media, huh.... yes, i remember all the times that i've been watching ABC, CBS, CNN, NBC, etc. and i've said, "that's the most blatantly conservative remark i've ever heard!". I think it would be wise to look beyond just partisan use of the media and ask the following question: How was the media used in priming the US population for war? Why is it a large majority of Americans believe that Iraq had something to do with 9/11? I am not talking about which side of the political spectrum is doing it more or has more outlets. They all use the media, very successfully I might add, to manipulate the masses. And I don't think Fox could be considered centrist, but that is just my own opinion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #37 October 7, 2003 QuoteOk, so get a group of 12 people together. I'll invite you over to my house, show you that I have 1000 marbles in a small bag. You get to leave, and only come back when I say. So you come back, and I walk you around my house, you ask me about several locked closets, and I say that it's time for you to leave. You come back forcibly, and break down the closets. You don't find any marbles. but you find several marble bags that I didn't have time to hide from you. Do you think it might take you a while to find the marbles now? If you don't find them does it mean they never existed? I am assuming you are talking about the WMD issue. Nothing I have said on this thread has anything to do with that issue, so I am not sure what your little anecdote has to do with anything related to this thread and the issues discussed in it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites juanesky 0 #38 October 7, 2003 No Kallend, to me there is a huge difference between someone (Israel) who has proven the will to try to find peace, than other one (Saddam) willing to wage a mother of all wars against everything that is known to us, and used Chemical and biological weapons against to no other than his own country men, that send me a signal that is is loud and clear. Then, he takes over Kuwait, yes I know US and many others helped him to fight Iran, yet he is warned, get out of there or you will be forced....(I'm just trying to refresh your memory here. Then the international UN coalition chips in, and he is out of there in less than 100 hours of conflict, despite he swore he would fight until the end.... He surrendered, and so this his people, to the promise that the coalition would not invade Iraq and depose him, for exchange of the total destruction of WMD's which he had, the no Fly Zone, and later the food for oil program, just to make sure for he still insisted in building the supergun from many parts of the world, and other technologies, and blatant disrespect to the no fly zones, while shooting at planes enforcing this resolution. He was just like Hitler and Stalin, and the lessons there were hard and very much abrupt. It is a lot different if we don;t stand. Yes We should have forced the issue in Rwanda, and other places, but we there are also places like vietnam were the lesson learned was a great one, just don't forget what we tried in Somalia, and did in Bosnia and Kosovo, it is insulting for those who have paid selfleshly and dearly to support these causes and seek a better world, with a chance of democracy and freedom, when we actually in fact did not need to do. Don't forget the billions send to Europe to rebuild it, the Berlin campaign and those many others things, which obviously the world has come to forgot at the wimp and preferred to back Saddam. This is my point, do you need something more clear than this?"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites juanesky 0 #39 October 7, 2003 Good one Clint."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites turtlespeed 226 #40 October 7, 2003 Quote I am assuming you are talking about the WMD issue. Nothing I have said on this thread has anything to do with that issue, so I am not sure what your little anecdote has to do with anything related to this thread and the issues discussed in it. Actually it was in reply to Kallend, you just happened to be on the list lastand i clicked on your reply. QuoteLet's also not forget that the Bush administration criticized the UN inspectors for not finding any evidence in a 3 month time period, but their own people haven't found any evidence in the same time frame That was from Kallend.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tcnelson 1 #41 October 7, 2003 that's exactly my point; the media has been mostly supportive of leftist ideas in their continuing coverage the war. they overwhelmingly report negative aspects of the war instead of reporting some of the amazing accomplishments or interviewing iraquis the are glad saddam is gone and are supportive of our efforts. also, i don't think that iraq needed to be directly involved in 9/11 for the US to take the action that it did. the regime in iraq has been promoting the same terrorism that brought down the towers for a long time."Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch NBFT, Deseoso Rodriguez RB#1329 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ChasingBlueSky 0 #42 October 7, 2003 QuoteJustin, To me what really matters is the easy manner upon which anyone can slant someone who is not liberal, be found guilty, without proof. . Right. Because a conservative person would never do such a thing. A republican web page or newspaper would never spin. whatever. Last week it was time for the Dems to look superior, now I guess its time for the GOP. And the merry-go-round of politics goes round and round. blah. Glad these are the people in charge of our country. There is a reason I am neither a democrat or a republican. Both parties are disgusting with their spin tactics, their lies, their conduct - concentration on smear campaigns and the lack of focus on issues and doing something about them. You have Davis and the Times with their BS about Hitler and half of the women in CA saying Arnold felt them up (just why did they wait all these years? 15 minutes anyone?). Then you have Rove and his tactics in the White House leaking info on CIA agents. NONE of it is acceptable. Ya know what, last time I checked we have many national, local and international issues that need some serious overtime work. Stop talking to the press, stop the spin and get back to work and do what you were voted into office to do._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #43 October 7, 2003 Quotethat's exactly my point; the media has been mostly supportive of leftist ideas in their continuing coverage the war. they overwhelmingly report negative aspects of the war instead of reporting some of the amazing accomplishments or interviewing iraquis the are glad saddam is gone and are supportive of our efforts. I still don't think that is a democrat vs republican issue either. I think most media usually will pick a negative story over a positive story. You always hear more about things gone wrong than things done well. I think overall the invasion of Iraq and ensueing problems is not really a positive story though. It really hasn't been in any media outlet around the world. Not only the left leaning US media is running negative reports about that campaign. Most media outlets around the world are doing that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites juanesky 0 #44 October 7, 2003 That is the issue. Forgetting the whole process. Be honest with yourselves."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ChasingBlueSky 0 #45 October 7, 2003 Wait, so were you agreeing with me or not - I honestly didn't get which issue you were refering to._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites juanesky 0 #46 October 7, 2003 Using lies as facts."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bodypilot90 0 #47 October 8, 2003 QuoteTime once again for that liberal rag known as the New York Times to fess up...this time for Arnold bashing. not a shock to some Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkydiverRick 0 #48 October 8, 2003 Then you have Rove and his tactics in the White House leaking info on CIA agents. I must have missed something. When did they prove this? never pull low......unless you are Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #28 October 7, 2003 Well Kallend, you may look it like that, but the UN went to war with IRAQ. They surrended unconditionally if they accepted certain conditions for the hostilities that took place. Israel has not been in the same situation, and they are constantly attacked ever since their indepence 50+ years ago. If you don't remember, their arab neighbors have repeatedly gone to war with them, do you want the dates? Yet Israel kicks their but, and the first thing you hear them is bitching and crying wolf. It is time they assume education outside the fanatical coran studies, and contemplate that this could be in fact a better world if we do tolerate each other, and respectfully. Why can not Israel repeat what the port city of Haifa does, leave peacefully among themselves? well, it is this group assuming the terror on their own hands, and making their own sons blow themselves up while they celebrate this? It is odd, very odd that you also forgot that Israel has given back most of the territories back to those nations that lost it Sinai to egypt and so on, and did so peacefully. They are not perfect either, but not all the blame goes to them neither."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #29 October 7, 2003 QuoteNot really, I think that the issue with Iraq was never a connection with Al-qaeda, but the possibility of these two joining forces, particulary with the issue of having the possibility of black market arms sales to terrorist who we know what intentions they have. That is not my point. You mentioned that in other countries state owned and operated media is used as an only source of information and that the leadership of those countries (ab)uses that. My point back was thet eventhough the media in the US is not state owned, it is still being (ab)used by the government to make poeple think certain things and to gain support. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #30 October 7, 2003 QuoteWell Kallend, you may look it like that, but the UN went to war with IRAQ. They surrended unconditionally if they accepted certain conditions for the hostilities that took place. Israel has not been in the same situation, and they are constantly attacked ever since their indepence 50+ years ago. If you don't remember, their arab neighbors have repeatedly gone to war with them, do you want the dates? Yet Israel kicks their but, and the first thing you hear them is bitching and crying wolf. It is time they assume education outside the fanatical coran studies, and contemplate that this could be in fact a better world if we do tolerate each other, and respectfully. Why can not Israel repeat what the port city of Haifa does, leave peacefully among themselves? well, it is this group assuming the terror on their own hands, and making their own sons blow themselves up while they celebrate this? It is odd, very odd that you also forgot that Israel has given back most of the territories back to those nations that lost it Sinai to egypt and so on, and did so peacefully. They are not perfect either, but not all the blame goes to them neither. I don't think that was Kallend's point. You mentioed that Iraq was in violation of UN resolutions and therefor people should not complain about the US invading them. My point and I think Kallends point as well is that otehr countries, most notable Israel, have been in violation of more UN resolutions over a longer timespan than Iraq. Hence your point isn't really valid in the argument. You could conclude that obviously the US had other motives than just enforcing UN resolutions when they invaded Iraq. The question and debate has always been about what those other motives were. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tcnelson 1 #31 October 7, 2003 the government is using the media, huh.... yes, i remember all the times that i've been watching ABC, CBS, CNN, NBC, etc. and i've said, "that's the most blatantly conservative remark i've ever heard!". seriously, there are two types of mainstream media; liberal and centrist (fox)"Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch NBFT, Deseoso Rodriguez RB#1329 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #32 October 7, 2003 QuoteWell Kallend, you may look it like that, but the UN went to war with IRAQ. They surrended unconditionally if they accepted certain conditions for the hostilities that took place. Israel has not been in the same situation, and they are constantly attacked ever since their indepence 50+ years ago. If you don't remember, their arab neighbors have repeatedly gone to war with them, do you want the dates? Yet Israel kicks their but, and the first thing you hear them is bitching and crying wolf. It is time they assume education outside the fanatical coran studies, and contemplate that this could be in fact a better world if we do tolerate each other, and respectfully. Why can not Israel repeat what the port city of Haifa does, leave peacefully among themselves? well, it is this group assuming the terror on their own hands, and making their own sons blow themselves up while they celebrate this? It is odd, very odd that you also forgot that Israel has given back most of the territories back to those nations that lost it Sinai to egypt and so on, and did so peacefully. They are not perfect either, but not all the blame goes to them neither. If failure to comply with UN resolutions were always justification for war, Iraq would have been well down the list of countries that we should invade.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #33 October 7, 2003 A valid point justin, but mine were many, first the not retraction from people against Arnold to have used the false statements as FACTS. No apologies, except from the NY times, for now. How come they are not racing the same way they used it against him? Shit, when I put my foot in my mouth, the least I can do is be man enough to admit it. I am far from perfect, and not expect to go through life becoming a know it all. But a fact is a fact. Like Iraq and what type of person he was, what really gets me is that oposition to the whole issue prefer to side with him instead of what the trend and history has tought us."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #34 October 7, 2003 Ok, so get a group of 12 people together. I'll invite you over to my house, show you that I have 1000 marbles in a small bag. You get to leave, and only come back when I say. So you come back, and I walk you around my house, you ask me about several locked closets, and I say that it's time for you to leave. You come back forcibly, and break down the closets. You don't find any marbles. but you find several marble bags that I didn't have time to hide from you. Do you think it might take you a while to find the marbles now? If you don't find them does it mean they never existed?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #35 October 7, 2003 Quote My point back was thet eventhough the media in the US is not state owned, it is still being (ab)used by the government to make poeple think certain things and to gain support. Government and "shadow government" of corporate interests -- some of which are world-wide entities. "They" do not control directly, but rather have subtle and not so subtle influences on many aspects of our lives. No. I'm not talking about "X-files" stuff, but come to think of it, "X-files" did run on his network. quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #36 October 7, 2003 Quotethe government is using the media, huh.... yes, i remember all the times that i've been watching ABC, CBS, CNN, NBC, etc. and i've said, "that's the most blatantly conservative remark i've ever heard!". I think it would be wise to look beyond just partisan use of the media and ask the following question: How was the media used in priming the US population for war? Why is it a large majority of Americans believe that Iraq had something to do with 9/11? I am not talking about which side of the political spectrum is doing it more or has more outlets. They all use the media, very successfully I might add, to manipulate the masses. And I don't think Fox could be considered centrist, but that is just my own opinion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #37 October 7, 2003 QuoteOk, so get a group of 12 people together. I'll invite you over to my house, show you that I have 1000 marbles in a small bag. You get to leave, and only come back when I say. So you come back, and I walk you around my house, you ask me about several locked closets, and I say that it's time for you to leave. You come back forcibly, and break down the closets. You don't find any marbles. but you find several marble bags that I didn't have time to hide from you. Do you think it might take you a while to find the marbles now? If you don't find them does it mean they never existed? I am assuming you are talking about the WMD issue. Nothing I have said on this thread has anything to do with that issue, so I am not sure what your little anecdote has to do with anything related to this thread and the issues discussed in it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #38 October 7, 2003 No Kallend, to me there is a huge difference between someone (Israel) who has proven the will to try to find peace, than other one (Saddam) willing to wage a mother of all wars against everything that is known to us, and used Chemical and biological weapons against to no other than his own country men, that send me a signal that is is loud and clear. Then, he takes over Kuwait, yes I know US and many others helped him to fight Iran, yet he is warned, get out of there or you will be forced....(I'm just trying to refresh your memory here. Then the international UN coalition chips in, and he is out of there in less than 100 hours of conflict, despite he swore he would fight until the end.... He surrendered, and so this his people, to the promise that the coalition would not invade Iraq and depose him, for exchange of the total destruction of WMD's which he had, the no Fly Zone, and later the food for oil program, just to make sure for he still insisted in building the supergun from many parts of the world, and other technologies, and blatant disrespect to the no fly zones, while shooting at planes enforcing this resolution. He was just like Hitler and Stalin, and the lessons there were hard and very much abrupt. It is a lot different if we don;t stand. Yes We should have forced the issue in Rwanda, and other places, but we there are also places like vietnam were the lesson learned was a great one, just don't forget what we tried in Somalia, and did in Bosnia and Kosovo, it is insulting for those who have paid selfleshly and dearly to support these causes and seek a better world, with a chance of democracy and freedom, when we actually in fact did not need to do. Don't forget the billions send to Europe to rebuild it, the Berlin campaign and those many others things, which obviously the world has come to forgot at the wimp and preferred to back Saddam. This is my point, do you need something more clear than this?"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #39 October 7, 2003 Good one Clint."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #40 October 7, 2003 Quote I am assuming you are talking about the WMD issue. Nothing I have said on this thread has anything to do with that issue, so I am not sure what your little anecdote has to do with anything related to this thread and the issues discussed in it. Actually it was in reply to Kallend, you just happened to be on the list lastand i clicked on your reply. QuoteLet's also not forget that the Bush administration criticized the UN inspectors for not finding any evidence in a 3 month time period, but their own people haven't found any evidence in the same time frame That was from Kallend.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tcnelson 1 #41 October 7, 2003 that's exactly my point; the media has been mostly supportive of leftist ideas in their continuing coverage the war. they overwhelmingly report negative aspects of the war instead of reporting some of the amazing accomplishments or interviewing iraquis the are glad saddam is gone and are supportive of our efforts. also, i don't think that iraq needed to be directly involved in 9/11 for the US to take the action that it did. the regime in iraq has been promoting the same terrorism that brought down the towers for a long time."Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch NBFT, Deseoso Rodriguez RB#1329 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #42 October 7, 2003 QuoteJustin, To me what really matters is the easy manner upon which anyone can slant someone who is not liberal, be found guilty, without proof. . Right. Because a conservative person would never do such a thing. A republican web page or newspaper would never spin. whatever. Last week it was time for the Dems to look superior, now I guess its time for the GOP. And the merry-go-round of politics goes round and round. blah. Glad these are the people in charge of our country. There is a reason I am neither a democrat or a republican. Both parties are disgusting with their spin tactics, their lies, their conduct - concentration on smear campaigns and the lack of focus on issues and doing something about them. You have Davis and the Times with their BS about Hitler and half of the women in CA saying Arnold felt them up (just why did they wait all these years? 15 minutes anyone?). Then you have Rove and his tactics in the White House leaking info on CIA agents. NONE of it is acceptable. Ya know what, last time I checked we have many national, local and international issues that need some serious overtime work. Stop talking to the press, stop the spin and get back to work and do what you were voted into office to do._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #43 October 7, 2003 Quotethat's exactly my point; the media has been mostly supportive of leftist ideas in their continuing coverage the war. they overwhelmingly report negative aspects of the war instead of reporting some of the amazing accomplishments or interviewing iraquis the are glad saddam is gone and are supportive of our efforts. I still don't think that is a democrat vs republican issue either. I think most media usually will pick a negative story over a positive story. You always hear more about things gone wrong than things done well. I think overall the invasion of Iraq and ensueing problems is not really a positive story though. It really hasn't been in any media outlet around the world. Not only the left leaning US media is running negative reports about that campaign. Most media outlets around the world are doing that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #44 October 7, 2003 That is the issue. Forgetting the whole process. Be honest with yourselves."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #45 October 7, 2003 Wait, so were you agreeing with me or not - I honestly didn't get which issue you were refering to._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #46 October 7, 2003 Using lies as facts."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot90 0 #47 October 8, 2003 QuoteTime once again for that liberal rag known as the New York Times to fess up...this time for Arnold bashing. not a shock to some Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiverRick 0 #48 October 8, 2003 Then you have Rove and his tactics in the White House leaking info on CIA agents. I must have missed something. When did they prove this? never pull low......unless you are Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #49 October 8, 2003 They don't HAVE to prove it - they're lefties! They can simply SAY it and have their ignorant masses believe them!Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FliegendeWolf 0 #50 October 8, 2003 QuoteThey don't HAVE to prove it - they're lefties! They can simply SAY it and have their ignorant masses believe them! Now Anvil you know better than to claim that this only occurs on the left.A One that Isn't Cold is Scarcely a One at All Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
