I love it when moral crusaders are exposed for their true colors.

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Why the joy in anybody's downfall? If in fact this is the bellweather for the end of Rush.

Because I am joyful when anyone who would force their moral judgments on others is discredited. I applaud those who live what they believe to be a morally superior lifestyle. But when they try to shove it down my throat, or anyone elses as if there way is the only way, I'm glad when they are knocked down.

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Come on Steel! Anytime anyone conservative says anything contrary to liberal doctrine and the phrase 'African American' is included, they're obviously a racist!

Eau Contrare......In my lifetime I have met PLENTY of conservatives who are not... and I repeat not racist.... on the other hand I have met people who are very liberal who are bigots thru and thru.. saying one thing to a persons face.. and then denigrating them when they are out of earshot.

I do not believe..... that if a group of people want to be known as a certain name..... that is not political corretness in any form.. just a common courtesy to other human beings to refer to them as they so choose.
Steel has used racial slurs more than once in the forums... I feel he longs for the days where people should just stay in thier place... whether they be Afro-Americans, women or jews. When the hair on the back of my neck stands up... I know when the stink is in the air.

Jeanne

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Steel has used racial slurs more than once in the forums... I feel he longs for the days where people should just stay in thier place... whether they be Afro-Americans, women or jews. When the hair on the back of my neck stands up... I know when the stink is in the air.

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That is a lie. This is the first time that I have even gotten into a thread that deals with race. However its not the first time one of the lefties tries to call me a racist for reasons spelled out in previous posts on this same thread. As for the Jewish population. I will have you know that my x-wife was half Jewish and that was never an issue in our entire relationship (5+ years). Wanting women to be in their place? Just what place is that according to you? I guess me posting how wonderful I thought Ann Coutler's book, "Treason" and recomending that people read it was an example of that., Right? The fact that you can't come up with an example to even suggest that I am anti-black must be meaningless. After all I said African-American in a sentence you should have no problem working with that. I would say the truly offensive posts here today have been yours and Jfields'.

If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass.
Can't think of anything I need
No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound.
Nothing to eat, no books to read.

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The fact that you can't come up with an example

Give us some time. It might take awhile to wade through all the possibilities for just that perfect example. You've given us a plethora to choose from and be sickened by.

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I have a couple of questions;
1) What is the difference between

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Afro-Americans

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African-American

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2) What makes coloured Americans think they are African.

Dave
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http://www.skydiving.co.za

[billvon 3,116]

>First off, to me a racist is a meaningless term.

Clearly.

>What does it mean?

Judging someone based on their race.

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2) What makes coloured Americans think they are African.

It's pc crap.

I have a good friend who was born and raised in South Africa. She's white (why isn't that a racist term?) with blonde hair and blue eyes. Actually she's quite the hottie. Anyway, she married my brother's best friend...an American, and they live here in the states. Whenever she fills out a form that asks her race, she purposely checks off African American. Man, does that piss so many people off.

Chris

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>First off, to me a racist is a meaningless term.

Clearly.

>What does it mean?

Judging someone based on their race.

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Oh, so that must mean its not their actions because its something they have no control over that is its how they were born. Its not like like a cult, a political stance or a religion where they have the right to choose to be that way or not. So now can point out a situation in which I have made a judgement about a race. For people who don't know there are 3, 4 or 5 races, depending on who is defining them. But but no additions have ever officially been made.
1. Caucasian (Or white)
2. Negroid (or Black)
3. Polynesian (Putting everybody from Asia together Indian, Chinese, Korean, etc)
4. If you didn't like the Polynesian grouping replace that with Mongoloid (yellow) and for the 4th you have the Brown Indians (from India, Packistan, etc)
5. Red Indian can be the fifth (Native American)

If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass.
Can't think of anything I need
No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound.
Nothing to eat, no books to read.

[testpilot 0]

She rocks.....

Dave
D830
http://www.skydiving.co.za

[Steel 0]

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2) What makes coloured Americans think they are African.

It's pc crap.

I have a good friend who was born and raised in South Africa. She's white (why isn't that a racist term?) with blonde hair and blue eyes. Actually she's quite the hottie. Anyway, she married my brother's best friend...an American, and they live here in the states. Whenever she fills out a form that asks her race, she purposely checks off African American. Man, does that piss so many people off.

Chris

lol, I guess that is really common. I know somebody from Skydive Dallas doing the same exact thing. He is also from South African with Blond hair and blue eyes.

If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass.
Can't think of anything I need
No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound.
Nothing to eat, no books to read.

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To me, there's only one race, the Human Race
Were all people.

[Amazon 7]

Some interesting links

Purity of Blood

http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=652232#652232

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But the fact is that this Muslim faith should be made illegal

http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=651938#651938

Jeanne

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Thanks, Jeanne. I didn't want to have to read through all that sludge again to dig up the references.

[billvon 3,116]

>Oh, so that must mean its not their actions because its something
>they have no control over that is its how they were born.

Correct.

>Its not like like a cult, a political stance or a religion where they have
>the right to choose to be that way or not.

For the most part, correct. Race, religion and nationality are often intertwined, as in the nation of Israel and the Jewish people. Often the term "Jewish" is used interchangeably to refer to a citizen of Israel, one who practices the Jewish faith, and descendents of those people.

>So now can point out a situation in which I have made a judgement
> about a race.

You posted:

"If you look closer at the history you will find what is known as Purity of blood, meaning a Spaniard that has traced his ancestry to prove that indeed he has no Muslim in his background."

You therefore believe that Muslims are a race - if you thought they were merely a religion, "having Muslim blood" would make no sense. You further think that Islam should be illegal. Believing that a race of people (a race of people that you have defined by your own statements) should be "illegal" is racist.

[Deuce 1]

Then, my man, you are what you despise.

Rush advocates his positions. Folks like you fear him because he resonates with so many.

You would have marijuana available in some manner similar to beer. That's not just a political idea, it's something that will change culture.

It seems clear that if you were put in charge, you would not simply put your agenda in place, you would hold your opponents by the neck and shove their noses in your victory.

Even if my enemy stumbles and falls in the mud, I will not point at him, and point him out to others and encourage his ridicule.

Why not display some dignity in what you percieve to be a victory? The guy went deaf as an adult. Maybe that's why he developed an addiction. It's his money.

That seems to be pretty consistent in Limbaugh's positions, he doesn't care much what people do so long as taxpayers don't have to pay.

I'll be more disappointed if a guy with that kind of money, and a jet, needed to score painkillers off his maid. With his NFL connections, I think there would have been a safer way.

My beef with all this is it's like the guy who rips everybody a new asshole for flying their canopies in an unsafe manner fucking up himself and tib-fibbing both legs in a failed swoop. The man has been proven a hypocrite, so you run over and kick dirt on him and revile him?

I judge that response to be wrong.

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I thought racism was a belief in the superiority in one race over another.

Judging someone by their race would be considered racial discrimination.

Preconceived notions of a person based upon their race would be racial prejudice.

All three are despicable.

Vinny the Anvil
Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL
JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

[billvon 3,116]

>My beef with all this is it's like the guy who rips everybody a new
> asshole for flying their canopies in an unsafe manner fucking up
> himself and tib-fibbing both legs in a failed swoop. The man has
> been proven a hypocrite, so you run over and kick dirt on him and
> revile him?

> I judge that response to be wrong.

I agree. I would further hope that, after the jumper recovers, he thinks twice about ripping people new assholes for flying their canopies in an unsafe manner.

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Then, my man, you are what you despise.

How so? I despise hypocrites. I haven't done one thing and then said another.

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It seems clear that if you were put in charge, you would not simply put your agenda in place, you would hold your opponents by the neck and shove their noses in your victory.

Last I checked, Rush didn't read this site.

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Why not display some dignity in what you percieve to be a victory?

I don't perceive any victory. I perceive the exposure of hypocrisy. I happen to enjoy when hypocrisy is exposed because it helps to alleviate it.

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My beef with all this is it's like the guy who rips everybody a new asshole for flying their canopies in an unsafe manner fucking up himself and tib-fibbing both legs in a failed swoop. The man has been proven a hypocrite, so you run over and kick dirt on him and revile him?

I judge that response to be wrong.

I didn't do anything of the sort to Rush Limbaugh. I'm commenting about a public figure on a newsgroup. Not running over to an injured person and kicking dirt in their face.

Judge me all you want, that's what Rush would do.

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>My beef with all this is it's like the guy who rips everybody a new
> asshole for flying their canopies in an unsafe manner fucking up
> himself and tib-fibbing both legs in a failed swoop. The man has
> been proven a hypocrite, so you run over and kick dirt on him and
> revile him?

> I judge that response to be wrong.

I agree. I would further hope that, after the jumper recovers, he thinks twice about ripping people new assholes for flying their canopies in an unsafe manner.

of course its equally likely he could 'pick up the crusade'with renewed vigor.

"look what happened to me, you shouldnt be allowed to do what i did, its for your own good you see" etc.....

"born-again" fanatics are the worst kind of hypocrites...

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[Deuce 1]

But Bill, heaven forbid, you have articulated much great information about canopy control and landing. Me and many others have really benefitted from it.

If you demo some hot canopy and get behind the curve and crash, I don't think that makes you a hypocrite. I think it would mean you made a mistake. Maybe you failed to follow your own advice.

This issue, of "only those completely without sin can throw stones" is utter bullshit. It's one of the central problems in patenting today.

A patent tells his kids "don't steal". We can all agree that theft is wrong, can't we? The child responds "have you ever stolen?" the parent says "Uh, why, yes". "Then you are in no position to tell me not to, are you?" and PARENTS ACTUALLY BUY IN TO THIS SHIT!

Are only guys who have been perfectly monogomous in their relationships permitted to advocate monogamy?

The revulsion that many folks have for people of Limbaugh's stripe is obscene. I truly beleive that he'd be strung up on a lampost by the mob that was at the world bank meeting in Seattle a couple of years ago.

How much damage is cause at a Promise Keeper's convention? How much does that group point and sneer at the failings of others?

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There's a huge difference between saying that drug addiction is bad, which it is, and saying that all drug abusers are worthless parasites who should be shipped out of the country, and then being one yourself.

It's one thing to criticize, it's another to condemn.

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[replyFor the most part, correct. Race, religion and nationality are often intertwined, as in the nation of Israel and the Jewish people. Often the term "Jewish" is used interchangeably to refer to a citizen of Israel, one who practices the Jewish faith, and descendents of those people.
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The fact that majority of people are so uneducated that they don't know the difference between race, religion, and nationality is not a good enough reason for me to throw it all out the window. So when people talk to me, they can expect that I am not going to tolerate referring to Jews, Muslims, Hispanics or women as a race a race of their own.
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>So now can point out a situation in which I have made a judgement
> about a race.

You posted:

"If you look closer at the history you will find what is known as Purity of blood, meaning a Spaniard that has traced his ancestry to prove that indeed he has no Muslim in his background."

You therefore believe that Muslims are a race
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No, I believe that the Muslims that were invading Spain at the time were Moors, just as the Muslims in Indonesia are Indonesian (which happen to be Mongoloid, or the ones in Pakistan are Brown Indians).
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- if you thought they were merely a religion, "having Muslim blood" would make no sense.
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No it makes plenty of sense. I have Spanish blood in my entire background. Spaniards are Caucasion just like the Swedish. We are therefore of the same race but have a different bloodline. And the Germans have their own bloodline too. So does every other nationality.
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You further think that Islam should be illegal. Believing that a race of people (a race of people that you have defined by your own statements) should be "illegal" is racist.

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I don't know about outlawing Islam, but I hold your assertion here untenable.

You know as well as I and others that the Muslim ancestry he was referring to in his diatribe was in reference to Moorish invaders of Spanish territory. The purity of blood Steel was referring to is a bloodline free of Moorish influence. The Moors happened to be followers of Islam, hence his reference. Given the 700 year occupation of the territory by the Moors, it's amazing anyone could have blood free of Moorish influence, but I suppose it's possible.

You're making some tenous at best connections to call him a racist, though I don't believe Islam should be outlawed. Someone is free to state such a position, though I do not agree with it. I've known a few muslims and found most of them to be good people.

Vinny the Anvil
Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL
JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

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How much damage is cause at a Promise Keeper's convention? How much does that group point and sneer at the failings of others?

was actually talking to a liquor store clerk who was saying how fast they sold out during a promise keepers convention...very nearly went down the way to find out if the hookers business had increased as well during the same time frame...would have been an interesting study...

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Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

[Deuce 1]

Look, I'm a libertarian on the drug thing. But his position that drug addicts are a drain is consistant and is libertarian. If drugs were made legal, drug users should have to pay insurance against their risk of addiction.

Not a problem for rich drug addicts.

There are a couple of 18 year old kids at my DZ who are on the fast-track to drug addiction. The combination of being around older hipsters who use recreational drugs, the availability of booze, has these kids soon to be consuming state resources through a DUI or worse. I predict credit card fraud on their unsuspecting parents, cause these kids were pretty squeaky when they showed up, and like I said they are on the fast track.

An adult who abuses prescription drugs is a different animal. Especially one who can pay for any damage that he does with his own money.

I'm starting to kick around this dead Opossum, so I'll get out of here.