skybytch 273 #1 October 12, 2003 When I beat my head against a brick wall I get a headache. I'm getting tired of headaches. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Casch 0 #2 October 12, 2003 Excedrine works well for over the counter headache relief Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
QuickDraw 0 #3 October 12, 2003 Try using a softer medium. And you can't beat flesh & bone for that. -- Hope you don't die. -- I'm fucking winning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bendywendy 0 #4 October 12, 2003 perhaps you should stop beating your head against brick walls. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #5 October 12, 2003 Quoteperhaps you should stop beating your head against brick walls I'd like to. Unfortunately it may take a career change for that to happen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RevJim 0 #6 October 12, 2003 QuoteQuoteperhaps you should stop beating your head against brick walls I'd like to. Unfortunately it may take a career change for that to happen. Let me guess. The newbies figured out they couldn't buy small canopies from that Lisa chick as Square 1, so now they call the gear store at Sebastian? Can't get away from it, huh?It's your life, live it! Karma RB#684 "Corcho", ASK#60, Muff#3520, NCB#398, NHDZ#4, C-33989, DG#1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bendywendy 0 #7 October 12, 2003 Damn, how'd you guess that? I was a little slow on the uptake, I thought she went out, got drunk and found a brick wall to pick on. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #8 October 12, 2003 Let's just say it wasn't a phone call. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RevJim 0 #9 October 12, 2003 QuoteLet's just say it wasn't a phone call. Chit, in person? They're getting ballsy now huh? Wouldn't take no for an answer either, I bet. Nah Wendy, I have ESP. Extra sensitive penis It's your life, live it! Karma RB#684 "Corcho", ASK#60, Muff#3520, NCB#398, NHDZ#4, C-33989, DG#1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #10 October 12, 2003 QuoteThey're getting ballsy now huh? When "God" - i.e. an AFF I - tells them they'll be just fine under something they'd load at 1.2 at 20 jumps, why would they listen to some chick at the gear store? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RevJim 0 #11 October 12, 2003 QuoteQuoteThey're getting ballsy now huh? When "God" - i.e. an AFF I - tells them they'll be just fine under something they'd load at 1.2 at 20 jumps, why would they listen to some chick at the gear store? I know i was loudly outspoken against the proposed BSR for wingload vs. lisence, but I changed my stance a bit. It seems it might not be a bad idea after all. I can't see this guy (girl?) at 20 jumps under a 1.2 wingload. 20 jumps is barely enough to understand what you are doing, much less land at speed. I guess a simple 1 to 1 wingload until you have at least a "B" wouldn't be a bad idea. I'm not sure I could back anything past that, but that would be a good start. Sorry about the headaches Lisa.It's your life, live it! Karma RB#684 "Corcho", ASK#60, Muff#3520, NCB#398, NHDZ#4, C-33989, DG#1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kolla 0 #12 October 12, 2003 Learn German! It's a cool language that comes equipped with BIG words that are very intimidating. Yell at the offending parties in German and watch them bow in submission to whatever you say Icelandic works well too - but it's not as universally accepted. Seriously though - keep on fighting... it's for a good cause - we need to keep the posts in the "incidents" forum to a minimum! Blue Skies Magazine Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #13 October 12, 2003 QuoteQuoteThey're getting ballsy now huh? When "God" - i.e. an AFF I - tells them they'll be just fine under something they'd load at 1.2 at 20 jumps, why would they listen to some chick at the gear store? Sell him the damn canopy, he will be out of you hair in 2 weeks, 3 tops.My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #14 October 12, 2003 Hey, i was about to ask to buy something in a 100sf or so, i have a couple of jumps...how much? Edited: I am an aspiring video guy after all.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #15 October 12, 2003 Did you ever see the old comedy by the Zucker brothers and Jim Abrahams 'Kentucky Fried Movie'? Bill Bixby does a sketch for a headache medicine, walking through their testing lab where headaches are being induced.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot90 0 #16 October 12, 2003 QuoteWhen "God" - i.e. an AFF I - tells them they'll be just fine under something they'd load at 1.2 at 20 jumps, why would they listen to some chick at the gear store? so sad, well i guess Mr aff has never seen a rookie land out or do anything stupid Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bendywendy 0 #17 October 12, 2003 QuoteQuoteWhen "God" - i.e. an AFF I - tells them they'll be just fine under something they'd load at 1.2 at 20 jumps, why would they listen to some chick at the gear store? so sad, well i guess Mr aff has never seen a rookie land out or do anything stupid Unless he just got his AFF cert yesterday - he's seen AFF students do stupid things. Even the best AFF students do stupid things. The students don't realize it until years later that what they did was stupid, of course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nightjumps 1 #18 October 12, 2003 QuoteWhen "God" - i.e. an AFF I - tells them they'll be just fine under something they'd load at 1.2 at 20 jumps, why would they listen to some chick at the gear store? This is my primary disappointment with the change/removal of "3 years time in the sport" to get an Instructor's rating. It is now possible for someone to get an AFF/I with six months in the sport. To me, "seasoning" still counts for something. Reading the incident reports over the years, learning from riggers, passing on of knowledge from more seasoned Instructors. A year as an AFF/JM or S/L - JM as an "apprentice" before going to the "I" course. Maybe I'm old school, but being under the guidance of a mentor for awhile before becoming an "expert" was a good plan. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #19 October 12, 2003 QuoteWhen "God" - i.e. an AFF I - tells them they'll be just fine under something they'd load at 1.2 at 20 jumps, why would they listen to some chick at the gear store? Ahhh... I see the fundamental part of your headache problem. You're actually banging the wrong head off the wall. How about telling them to bring the "AFF-I" in with them to discuss their canopy requirements. Target "head for banging off wall" now acquired MIke. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bendywendy 0 #20 October 12, 2003 Nice theory but a lot of the instructors doing this are long time instructors. The one this brick wall was made out of is anyways and there are others as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #21 October 12, 2003 When I was at 20 jumps and asking (early this year) about canopies i too was told to get a 1.2 WL canopy, I argued the point, enven asked advice here. I got a 150 Hornet and was jumping it at about 50 jumps, I'm still jumping it now with 170 jumps, I crashed in a couple of times but nothing serious in the way of injury. There is a big culture in europe and Australia to get jumpers under wings with a wingload of about 1.2 straight of student status, I see it all the time here. It worked OK for me, but I'm a pussy under canopy, straight in approaches and no spiraling under 1000, I'm also 40 years old and my balls have readuced to a size smaller than my brain. Alot of the younger guys comming through here still have balls bigger than their brains and will get hurt.You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve1 5 #22 October 12, 2003 QuoteWhen I beat my head against a brick wall I get a headache. I'm getting tired of headaches. Just think about how great it feels when you quit. It can even be addictive.......Steve1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smiles 0 #23 October 12, 2003 Precisely why people like you Lisa, are invaluable to this great sport. At the same time- precisely why not all in this sport can "do anything they set their mind to." I can only be more appreciative than ever that- when I started jumping- the transition was from landing rounds- to landing humongous 7 cells. Transition to a 220 cruise-lite for 900 jumps before transition to 150 triathlon- and here I am totally satisfied to stay. I luv my ankles, knees, legs...etc. edited to add: with your experience in sales of gear can you estimate how many jumpers order reserves smaller than their tiny mains?? SMiles Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aviatrr 0 #24 October 13, 2003 Hey, Lisa....why don't you call PD for me and ask 'em to build me a Velocity 45...I saw that little VX46 Luigi jumps, and it looks pretty cool...so I want one smaller. Don't worry, I'll be loading it under 4.5:1. I'm a freeflyer, so I need this canopy. Mike Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dagny 0 #25 October 13, 2003 I absolutely respect anyone who refuses to sell something to someone when they don't feel it's safe. That is the first thing I'd like to say. Now, let me say this...when you take someone who is athletic and talented and very self-assured and turn them into a skydiver sometimes this will happen. I'm so new that I look at all these jumpers with hundreds and thousands of jumps and am impressed by their skill and their confidence. And watching these people swoop in landings on canopies no bigger than my bed and glide across the ground skimming the grass and stand up landings like they were born doing it, I admire that. So would a lot of new skydivers. And, when we load on a plane and see rigs which are practically smaller than my purse (that is to say, quite small), I'm tempted to have a cute small rig, also. And given a skydiver with these athletic abilities and confidence who has been landing well since AFF began, you can see why someone would be eager to downsize and take on a 1.2 wingloading. I'm sure this has happened many times before. I understand the temptation, but I also understand the potential risks. It is somewhat harder to see the risks when your vision is clouded by aspirations of being a bad-ass skydiver like the people you admire. You can't really fault a new skydiver for wanting to emulate a sky-god. But, I do believe someone should step up and refuse a sale if they believe it's an incident waiting to happen. There is a running conflict between the advice of the conservative and the advice of the ...umm...less conservative. It can confuse a newbie...especially one who believes quick reflexes are the key to safe landings - even at a 1.2 wl. EDIT TO ADD: This post isn't directed toward Lisa (because I share some of the frustration she expressed here), I'm only trying to explain to anyone who might write off a newbie as irresponsible or unsafe the reasons a fledgling skydiver (actually, this one in particular) might feel comfortable with the perceived risks of a higher wl.Take me, I am the drug; take me, I am hallucinogenic. -Salvador Dali Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
