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Not everyone, union or not, gets cost of living increases
Don't get me wrong, many years ago I was a piece worker in electronics. It was the best. If want more or need more I did more, produced more. Then I went into IBEW, no widgets to quantify but a dangerous trade the union got those little costs of living increases.
Worked nights and holidays ( low seniority= worked every christmas and newyears for years on end ) so what if someone is making 45 bucks an hour for 8 hours if they are not with their families for many years of their lives. The union got that for them. Ask a grocery worker about their busiest days ( they are all forced to work ) They are your holidays the ones where you are with your family or parting with their friends. Not appeasing last minute cranky drunk shoppers. Try it once.
Now I do the same thing for a non union shop. Same trade same danger no union. Cost of living raises if you are lucky. Its brown nose and back stab to get ahead there are no widgets to count up at the end of the day. leadership is by peter principle. The MBAs that run this place are making billion dollar mistakes and it cuting into there bottom line and therefore my chance at a 3% but they've got this nack for making it sound like it our faults. These MBAs love to talk numbers, numbers, numbers. But they cannot make common smart business choices.
Everything by the numbers got detroit and our auto industry in a shit whole in the 70s that we are just now starting to get out of.
Your employees are a stake holder in your company also not just the share holder.
I can see one of the Ralphs warehouses from where I live. Less than a mile away from me is the store ( theirs) where I shop, two miles away is a food for less ( a ralphs non-union bag it yourself and save kind of warehouse that I can go to, in a crappy area.) Guess which one I'm in the Jack Daniels club at?
like it or not, like their business practices or not, Wal-Mart's model works.
Ok then, when should expect the cost of things to drop accordingly? Like Gasoline?QuoteOh I know this but that does not mean shame for asking.
In the face of deflation, inflation obviously is not a factor.
Don't get me wrong, many years ago I was a piece worker in electronics. It was the best. If want more or need more I did more, produced more. Then I went into IBEW, no widgets to quantify but a dangerous trade the union got those little costs of living increases.
Worked nights and holidays ( low seniority= worked every christmas and newyears for years on end ) so what if someone is making 45 bucks an hour for 8 hours if they are not with their families for many years of their lives. The union got that for them. Ask a grocery worker about their busiest days ( they are all forced to work ) They are your holidays the ones where you are with your family or parting with their friends. Not appeasing last minute cranky drunk shoppers. Try it once.
Now I do the same thing for a non union shop. Same trade same danger no union. Cost of living raises if you are lucky. Its brown nose and back stab to get ahead there are no widgets to count up at the end of the day. leadership is by peter principle. The MBAs that run this place are making billion dollar mistakes and it cuting into there bottom line and therefore my chance at a 3% but they've got this nack for making it sound like it our faults. These MBAs love to talk numbers, numbers, numbers. But they cannot make common smart business choices.
Everything by the numbers got detroit and our auto industry in a shit whole in the 70s that we are just now starting to get out of.
Your employees are a stake holder in your company also not just the share holder.
I can see one of the Ralphs warehouses from where I live. Less than a mile away from me is the store ( theirs) where I shop, two miles away is a food for less ( a ralphs non-union bag it yourself and save kind of warehouse that I can go to, in a crappy area.) Guess which one I'm in the Jack Daniels club at?
like it or not, like their business practices or not, Wal-Mart's model works.
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Standby for uppity words comming from a skydiver: nasty place with zombies for emplyees its morphed into some monster that Sam wouldn't ( although the number crunchers do) approve of. Only go in extreme case IE:need 1 item and get out fast or emergency like tent flooding at rantoul, we were in and out in 15 minutes flat. Skydekker was covering. And that was one of the nicer walmarts I've been in. Midwest has some bargain convenience store pride that the socal lacks.
Fortune #1. It says something that retail executives can't ignore from a numbers standpoint.
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You like nice Cars, like your car. What if the numbers proved best that the people that make and service your car should scrape the bottom of the gene pool for personel to see to your cars needs from the factory to the aftermarket? After all it doesn't take much to scan a bar scan on the side of a carton.
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The most interaction that I have had with unions was as a kid working a local grocery store.
It was great, we made decent money for being in highschool, and unless we stole from the company, broke a law on the property, or completly (like 100%) disregarded our job duties, they couldn't fire us. Was great, we didn't have to do much to make money.
I got bored with it though, and actually put in some work so I could have a better job there, but I will asure you so many people slacked as much as the could, and they did it cause they knew they weren't going to get fired.
As for me now, dunno... never had to deal with it, not many strikes around here as of late. Who knows what I would do.
It was great, we made decent money for being in highschool, and unless we stole from the company, broke a law on the property, or completly (like 100%) disregarded our job duties, they couldn't fire us. Was great, we didn't have to do much to make money.
I got bored with it though, and actually put in some work so I could have a better job there, but I will asure you so many people slacked as much as the could, and they did it cause they knew they weren't going to get fired.
As for me now, dunno... never had to deal with it, not many strikes around here as of late. Who knows what I would do.
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QuoteIt was great, we made decent money for being in highschool, and unless we stole from the company, broke a law on the property, or completly (like 100%) disregarded our job duties, they couldn't fire us. Was great, we didn't have to do much to make money.
Absolutely, this is a problem with unions today. They protect the lazy, and discourage hard work. That's wonderful.
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They can be very limiting if you want to advance. And its a shame when you have to lay off hardworking low seniorty guys and keep lazy high time slackers That know they are "fireproof".
Unions bring their own problems to the table, and in sometimes cut their own throat. But in some cases a needed evil. Ask the Boeing engineers about their Union.
Unions bring their own problems to the table, and in sometimes cut their own throat. But in some cases a needed evil. Ask the Boeing engineers about their Union.
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Not everyone, union or not, gets cost of living increasesOk then, when should expect the cost of things to drop accordingly? Like Gasoline?QuoteOh I know this but that does not mean shame for asking.
In the face of deflation, inflation obviously is not a factor.
Some commodities follow the trend. But what I am talking about is the risk of deflation in a slow growth economy. I'm not comparing directly to the depression, but I'm drawing a parallel or sorts.
Quote... Worked nights and holidays ( low seniority= worked every christmas and newyears for years on end ) so what if someone is making 45 bucks an hour for 8 hours if they are not with their families for many years of their lives. The union got that for them. Ask a grocery worker about their busiest days ( they are all forced to work ) They are your holidays the ones where you are with your family or parting with their friends. Not appeasing last minute cranky drunk shoppers. Try it once.
Been there and done that, outside of a union environment. I got paid double time plus 10% at the time (I was a courier). And no offense, but these people know that's part of the f**k**g job. I don't work in that environment because I chose not to. I don't work in any kind of retail environment because I don't want to. Doing this does not generate "the right" to earn wages that are higher than an apprentice's as he learns an applied, skilled trade. Doing this generates no rights what-so-ever.
QuoteEverything by the numbers got detroit and our auto industry in a shit whole in the 70s that we are just now starting to get out of.
That's only part of the argument. UAW have forced margins with Ford to razor thin levels and it ultimately cost Chrysler its independence (despite Lee Iacocca's excellent guidance to bail them out). GM makes money, but they paid the price in quality.
QuoteYour employees are a stake holder in your company also not just the share holder.
I agree, but that is a moral argument, not an economic one.
QuoteQuotelike it or not, like their business practices or not, Wal-Mart's model works.
Standby for uppity words comming from a skydiver: nasty place with zombies for emplyees its morphed into some monster that Sam wouldn't ( although the number crunchers do) approve of.
I agree, but again, that is a moral argument, not an economic one.
QuoteQuoteFortune #1. It says something that retail executives can't ignore from a numbers standpoint.
You like nice Cars, like your car. What if the numbers proved best that the people that make and service your car should scrape the bottom of the gene pool for personel to see to your cars needs from the factory to the aftermarket? After all it doesn't take much to scan a bar scan on the side of a carton.
I don't fully understand your example here. The business numbers have already removed the human equation from the major assembly components of cars in the first place.
See one of my earlier posts. Unions serve an important role to several parts of industry and workers. However, in this case with Safeway, the unions are squeezing for more "up arrows" for their own, while Safeway is suffering "down arrows" in its own revenues and net income.
Follow me on this:
The unions in this case are requesting $.50 per hour raises this year, with $.45 per hour raises each of the following two years. Additionally, they are requesting a continuation of fully paid benefits.
Safeway, in FY2002: Sales growth, DOWN 5.5%; Net Income, LOSS $828.1M. This, in addition to shut downs in operations.
The math doesn't work. The Legislature of the State of California is just figuring the same math out. You can't outspend revenues.
The math doesn't work, the socialized structure they are demanding doesn't work. The market cannot continue to bear increased wages and benefits without compromise.
So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!
Not everyone, union or not, gets cost of living increases (standard "cost of living" increases are under 2% BTW). In the face of deflation, inflation obviously is not a factor.
Also, my reference to Steven Burd and the Wal-Mart model is simply something he needs to allow visibility into the fray. Why? Because, like it or not, like their business practices or not, Wal-Mart's model works. Fortune #1. It says something that retail executives can't ignore from a numbers standpoint.
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!
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