billvon 3,089 #101 October 14, 2003 >I won't cross. If I'm not happy with prices after the strike, I'll go >somewhere else, just like I do now. No problem with that, but I'd encourage you to consider carefully where you _do_ go if you don't want to cross that line. If you go to a big Walmart with a grocery store attached, for example, you'd be supporting a store that treats its employees far worse than Von's does now. Whole Foods Market, on the other hand, is one of the top 100 places in the US to work (as ranked by Fortune Magazine.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GARYC24 3 #102 October 14, 2003 This may or not be funny..but I thought it was sort of after it happened... I work a PT fun job in delivering pizza's..our back door is broken..if ya close it it won't open.. Anyways, we work next to a Vons..some picketeers were there and aa I was heading out the back with pizza he asked me if it was okay to stay out bac..they was watching for the truck ti show up.. I said..okay, but don't close the door 'you'll get locked out..then as I was opening the door all the way..I smashed his sign a little bit that he layed behind it..so I thought that afterwards..all an accident.. I think when I go back to the store and buy a pack of gum..and they'll ask" you want some help out?' I'm gonna say yes. It did seem the pizza delivery was up last night..I walked out with $36 tips! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #103 October 14, 2003 Quote I'm not sure where this came from? Quote what the union is demanding of the company. $.50/hr this year, $.45/hr next two years, and no reduction in benefits. If it was in the articles, I missed them. However, this was in the Fox article... "The union charges that the chains are trying to force hundreds of millions of dollars in health-care costs onto workers and limit the access of new employees to benefits despite still-solid earnings." I don't know who's right or wrong. I don't know what's fair or not. I do know that this is a contract dispute; the old contract expired in September, and there was no resolution met. I suspect that both sides need to do some compromising...but that doesn't mean I will cross the lines. I may have found the wrong link on one of them. The Safeway financial data (net profits/stock price/employee base) came from Yahoo Financials, Hoovers Online, and their own annual report. It still seems to me that the unions have been blind to what has been happening specifically here in California -- Workman's Comp, Insurance Regulation, Healthcare, -- all of these specific factors have been increasing at double-digit rates the past three years. The union is not protecting any core value here. If these members started paying $5/week to contribute towards their benefits, they would still be paying less than I was paying when I worked for the #8 on the Fortune 500 with 200,000 employees (and I was full time management). I have no pity or compassion for an organization that is blindly screaming "more more more" without seeing the reality in front of them.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
base704 0 #104 October 14, 2003 Quote Never, ever, ever cross a picket line!!! For anyreason WORD!You can get a lot more done with a kind word and a gun than with a kind word alone. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #105 October 14, 2003 One thing good about the unions, Gawain. At least they acknowledge the hundreds of millions of dollars they are trying to get the employers to pony up. Seems to be an admission on their part that they are striking because of hundreds of millions of dollars. No small sum... According to UFCW's own site, 328 million dollars in SoCal. What's interesting to me is that the union doesn't offer this low-cost health insurance itself. You'd think that if the union was so concerned about protecting the workers, they'd make sure that affordable health care was provided. Obviously, if UFCW knew a way to provide affordable health care, it'd do it. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TaeKwonDoDo 0 #106 October 14, 2003 an interesting article on the strike: http://www.investors.com/editorial/general.asp?v=10/14 "That's not flying, it's falling with style." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bobsled92 0 #107 October 15, 2003 Quote Some questions: 1. Do you have life insurance? If so, would your wife pay up to your company for the loss of an employee, even if you were killed outside of work? 2. Is there a system set up in your state wherein there are death benefits paid via workers' compensation or something to that effect? 3. Is there a system of tort recovery for wrongful death in the event of your demise? 4. Would a union pay your wife and kids for your death if it happens? 5. Doesn't it strike you as a huge potential for moral hazard allowing insurance on a "peasant," thus making the underwriting of such a policy somewhat difficult? 6. What difference does a union v. non-union make in this situation? I know that when I was UFCW, I didn't get benefits short of "you are making a few cents above minimum wage." Mind you, after taking out dues, I made less than minimum wage (but more than training wage). The way we found out about our Peasant Ins. was when the Walmart Employee died and his widow got $0.00 and Walmart got $64,000...as I Said Before (...can I get a policy on you,..I want a new rig)_______________________________ If I could be a Super Hero, I chose to be: "GRANT-A-CLAUS". and work 365 days a Year. http://www.hangout.no/speednews/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
