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PhillyKev

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man, i guess rush being addicted to pain killers means that his political opinions are flawed, too. how should i think about this scene: gray davis, jesse jackson, and bill clinton are standing in front of a crowd badmouthing arnold for his trouble with women. hahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!
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By default, someone without money who needs drug treatment will be a burden on society. Someone with money, won't be. Yet they're suffering from the same problem. Why should the justice system treat the poor as harshly as Limbaugh advocates while allowing him to buy his way out of it?



Why are you assuming the justice system will treat Rush differently than someone who is poor? Why are you assuming he will be allowed to buy his way out?
The common punishment for a first time drug
offender is probation and drug rehab. My guess is this will be Rush's punishment.
I also fail to see how you equate a first time drug offender to a crack-head who commits felonies over and over to support their drug habit.

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I never mentioned the name of everyone's favorite senator. I simply stated a fact about Rush's predicament. Must be the actual quote that struck a sore note. I'm for making 8 October National Drug Addiction Awareness Day in honor of Rush as long as 19 July is National Drunk Driving Awareness Day.

It's quite sad that Rush has become addicted to drugs and made no comments on his previous remarks about drug users & addicts. I hope he does in the future. If he does, I can forgive his not doing so now in light of what he must be going through. I fully expect to hear from him on that issue however.

Those comparing his addiction to that of some of the street urchins who made a conscious choice to try illegal drugs really need a reality check.

Let's do keep this discussion about Limbaugh. We can wait until July to discuss Mary Jo's murder.
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I just hope he learns from this that it's not just liberal criminals who fall into this problem and starts advocating legitimate help for those who suffer from addiction.



Well said! I hope so too.



The problem is that legitimate help, no matter how much money you throw at it, no matter how many doctors you throw at it, or AA, CA, NA (et al) 12-step programs you throw at it, no matter how much religion or spiritual therapy you throw at it, it is doomed to failure if the victim/subject/addict is not willing to accept such help.

The success rate of 12-step programs was significantly higher before the advent of organized for profit "rehab" programs. Less than 1 in 30 will reach 1 year of clean and sober recovery. The numbers exponentially climb from there.

Likewise, the money that Rush throws at this 30 day program will not work unless he is willing to truly address the myriad of issues in early recovery on a continued daily basis beyond the rehab. The physical detoxification will last months. The mental and emotional readjustment will likely take years. I hope he can do it.
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Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
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Oh well. I'm disappointed in Rush, but still wish him the best. His commentary is usually funny as hell. Unfortunately, lefties everywhere will use his hypocrisy as a tool to discount anything and everything he ever said or stood for - not all of which is bad. I'm sure he'll conquer this with rehab help and come out the stronger man for it.

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I just can't wait to see how the guy tap-dances his spin on this one when he gets out. It should help with the sales of his next book if he plays it right. I'm not a fan of Stern, but I wish I caught his morning show when this item hit the wire.

As PhillyKev says - I don't think he should lose his job because of this. And I see no differance between him and a poor addict that can't afford to donate to charity. I just find the whole thing rather ironic. Sad, but ironic.

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It's not like he drove a young lady off of a bridge while drunk off of his ass, left her there to die, denied the whole thing, then got elected to congress or anything.



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man, i guess rush being addicted to pain killers means that his political opinions are flawed, too. how should i think about this scene: gray davis, jesse jackson, and bill clinton are standing in front of a crowd badmouthing arnold for his trouble with women. hahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!



And yet we keep electing these people. sigh.:|
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How's your mayor doing?



This should be a new thread, but I'm lazy.

What exactly is going on in the philidelphia mayors office? I've read about the buggings, but I haven't heard any speculation about why the bugs were planted. I've heard the mayor is not the subject of an investigation.

What's the rumor mill say? Whats really going on?

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I will admit to being a "Centrist" republican and I don't know which bothers me more about about Rush; His self-appointment of arrogant mouth as the spokesman for all republicans or those who listen and re-chant his daily revelations as gospel.

No, I've decided. Its both.

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It's a shame that the liberals find pleasure in some ones misfortune. Especially when they try to convince everyone that the democrats have cornered the market on compassion. Seems like hipocrasy to me.



A) Don't find pleasure in his misfortune. I get satisfaction when those who would preach about what others should not do, get exposed for doing exactly what they condemn. It helps to shed light on the problem of trying to force your will on others.

B) The only time I hear the term compassionate thrown around in politics is when Bush, et al, claim to be compassionate conservatives. As if conservatism and compassion are mutuall exclusive and he's somehow changed that.

C) Point out how I'm being a hypocrite. When did I say Limbaugh should act a certain way and then act differently myself?

Yes, I might be on the liberal side. But I never tried to convince anyone that I have the market on compassion. Seems like the typical labeling and projection from your side is what is causing you to group me with some stereotypical group of loud mouthed politicians just because I happen to lean on that side of the fence.

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What charities do the Drug Addicts that he is critical of donate to?
A better question would be how much assistance do they pay for themselves, or do they depend on the government to subsidise them?



I see, so certain activities should only be illegal and punishable if you're poor. Yeah, I guess that's the American way. Guess that's why Jeb Bush's daughter didn't got locked up for buying Xanax illegally.



What? Where did that come from?
My reply was that Rush bashes and is "critical" of drug addicts that are burdens on society.
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Punishment was never an issue in the post I replied to..



Well it sounded like you were classifying Limbaugh as being different than other drug addicts because he has money to give to charities and therefore shouldn't suffer the same consequences for his actions that he advocates for those who don't have his income.

By default, someone without money who needs drug treatment will be a burden on society. Someone with money, won't be. Yet they're suffering from the same problem. Why should the justice system treat the poor as harshly as Limbaugh advocates while allowing him to buy his way out of it?



First, I was saying that he is different from other drug addicts. He has the money to buy treatment for himself. He will do this without the rest of the country having to bear the cost burden. I would call that a significant difference.

Someone here mentioned that an addiction is a disease. I don't quite agree with that. I don't think that you can think your way out of a disease. I'm probably going to get a lot of flack for this view, but so be it.

Sencond, I never mentioned anything about punishment, let the law be the law. If the justice system wants to prosecute him, then by all means, he is no different. If the system wants to try to encarcerate him, then fine. Ask your self this though, how many first time drug offenses actually get jail time? I'm not talking about major drug purchases, I'm talking about personal use. Then after you answer that, ask how much tax money would be used to persecute Rush. Should we be using that much resource on all the other offenders? Can you fathom how much that could be?

Hey, like I said, I am all for prosecuting to the full extent of the law. You seem to be making the point that he should be made an example of.
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It's a shame that the liberals find pleasure in some ones misfortune. Especially when they try to convince everyone that the democrats have cornered the market on compassion. Seems like hipocrasy to me.



A) Don't find pleasure in his misfortune. I get satisfaction when those who would preach about what others should not do, get exposed for doing exactly what they condemn. It helps to shed light on the problem of trying to force your will on others.

B) The only time I hear the term compassionate thrown around in politics is when Bush, et al, claim to be compassionate conservatives. As if conservatism and compassion are mutuall exclusive and he's somehow changed that.

C) Point out how I'm being a hypocrite. When did I say Limbaugh should act a certain way and then act differently myself?

Yes, I might be on the liberal side. But I never tried to convince anyone that I have the market on compassion. Seems like the typical labeling and projection from your side is what is causing you to group me with some stereotypical group of loud mouthed politicians just because I happen to lean on that side of the fence.



A: Did you get this much satisfation when Jessie Jackson was "exposed"? Or was that another unjust travesty?
B: It is interesting what we choose to hear tyese days isn't it?
C: I don't want to cut and paste from so many posts on this thread. So I'll simply not rebutt this one.
I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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A: Did you get this much satisfation when Jessie Jackson was "exposed"? Or was that another unjust travesty?
B: It is interesting what we choose to hear tyese days isn't it?
C: I don't want to cut and paste from so many posts on this thread. So I'll simply not rebutt this one.



A) I didn't need Jackson to be exposed, I already knew he was a whacko. And yes, as I said, when preachers are caught doing what they preach again, I'm glad that they are exposed. I don't like anyone who tries to dictate morality.

B) My point was that, I'm not claiming to be compassionate. I'm not claiming to be a liberal. I'm responding to labels that are being thrown on me. All I said in this thread was that people who try to push their agenda regarding how people are treated based on their actions are hypocritical when they then participate in those same activities and don't volunteer for the punishment that they advocate.

C) Nice response...go ahead and cut and paste any hypocritical statements by me.

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First, I was saying that he is different from other drug addicts. He has the money to buy treatment for himself. He will do this without the rest of the country having to bear the cost burden. I would call that a significant difference.



I don't see that difference, because I doubt he was buying it himself. They were perscription drugs, after all - and most people who abuse perscription drugs DO have perscriptions for them. Most people who abuse perscription drugs bill the payments to their insurance company. By definition, any bill paid by an insurance company is a bill paid by all the clients of that insurance company. It's no different then people who abuse medicare.

I see no moral difference between rich people abusing expensive drugs and poor people abusing cheap drugs.

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First, I was saying that he is different from other drug addicts. He has the money to buy treatment for himself. He will do this without the rest of the country having to bear the cost burden. I would call that a significant difference.



I don't see that difference, because I doubt he was buying it himself. They were perscription drugs, after all - and most people who abuse perscription drugs DO have perscriptions for them. Most people who abuse perscription drugs bill the payments to their insurance company. By definition, any bill paid by an insurance company is a bill paid by all the clients of that insurance company. It's no different then people who abuse medicare.

I see no moral difference between rich people abusing expensive drugs and poor people abusing cheap drugs.

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The admission, made to millions of listeners during Limbaugh's nationally syndicated radio show, came just days after Florida authorities launched an investigation into claims by a former maid in Limbaugh's Palm Beach mansion that he paid her to procure prescription drugs for him over a four-year period.



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I don't see that difference, because I doubt he was buying it himself. They were perscription drugs, after all - and most people who abuse perscription drugs DO have perscriptions for them.



He wasn't buying them from the drugstore. He was buying them on the street through his maid.



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And where do you think the dealer got the drugs? Probably from bogus prescriptions or burglarized pharmacies. It doesn't matter that you CAN get these drugs prescribed by a doctor. There's no difference between buying pills from a street dealer or buying dope. Oxy is made from an opium derivative. It has the same effect, although a little weaker, as heroin. And it comes through and provides profits to, the same criminal organizations.

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And where do you think the dealer got the drugs? Probably from bogus prescriptions or burglarized pharmacies. It doesn't matter that you CAN get these drugs prescribed by a doctor. There's no difference between buying pills from a street dealer or buying dope. Oxy is made from an opium derivative. It has the same effect, although a little weaker, as heroin. And it comes through and provides profits to, the same criminal organizations.



On what information do you qualify this?
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