Zenister 0 #101 October 22, 2003 QuoteQuotecool that he hung out, but thats a lame excuse... your making a movie about skydiving, pretty much living at dropzones and your not going to make even ONE!!! i have to go with the pierced comment earlier.... Not an excuse, just the way I look at it. Skydiving doesn't make you bad, cool, or tough. Just as not skydiving doesn't make you a p@@@@. My rule for making those judgements is this: Would I tell them that in person? absolutely.. if your scared, say your scared, anything else is just an excuse... pretends to be big, bad and freaky and is still to afraid to make a single jump??? I can understand doing it once and saying its not for you, but never even trying?? please....____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
321seeya 0 #102 October 22, 2003 QuoteQuoteThe only way words have the power to insult or offend are if they are given that power by those offended. That's a fascinating idea but it does not have the virtue of being true. Intent plays a tremendous role in insult. And longstanding societal patterns of widespread intent play a correspondingly large role. That's why the word "nigger" is so powerful that many people believe it should never be spoken in ANY context. That strikes me as overkill, but nonetheless I'm reasonably careful not to say it in such a way as to cause upset. It's simple politeness to refrain from pissing people off unnecessarily. Sometimes it's necessary of course, but this can't be one of them, is it? On the other hand, I don't think anyone was pissed off. And that's why it's been a polite discussion of language instead of a steamed-up argument about rights or feelings or something. I have to interject....I would much rather be called a nigger than a Spade, or Porch Monkey, or a number of other racial remarks. The thing that sets racial remarks aside from homosexual remarks, is Blacks cant help being black...Mexicans cant help being hispanic, and Anglos cant help being white, but gays and lesbians choose to be gays and lesbians. Racial Remarks are based on color...not choice...If you get tired of those remarks you can flip the coin...If I get tired of racial remarks I cant just change color. I always thought the negative connotaion for a homosexual was the word Fag...or Dike or fudge packer or carpet muncher....Am I wrong..I thought the word gay in reference to homosexuals was the politically correct term......I am not trying to be a smart ass in this comment, but I am trying to figue out how we are talking about Blacks/Whites Gay/Straight in a fucking..."This film Sucks Thread" BASE 3:16 - Even if you are about to land on a cop - DONT FORGET TO FLARE! Free the soul -- DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #103 October 22, 2003 QuoteI am trying to figue out how we are talking about Blacks/Whites Gay/Straight in a fucking..."This film Sucks Thread" If you're asking me, I don't know why you're talking about some of those issues. You're the one who brought up the "homosexuality is a choice" nonsense. If you want to talk about those things you should probably start a new thread. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jayruss 0 #104 October 22, 2003 Quote cool that he hung out, but thats a lame excuse... your making a movie about skydiving, pretty much living at dropzones and your not going to make even ONE!!! i have to go with the pierced comment earlier.... he also might not have been permitted to jump. a lot of actors and sports people have contracts that highly forbid them from skydiving, snow skiing etc __________________________________________________ "Beware how you take away hope from another human being." -Oliver Wendell Holmes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dkostas 0 #105 October 22, 2003 {Blacks cant help being black...Mexicans cant help being hispanic, and Anglos cant help being white, but gays and lesbians choose to be gays and lesbians. Racial Remarks are based on color...not choice...If you get tired of those remarks you can flip the coin...If I get tired of racial remarks I cant just change color} I think you're in need of some edumacation 321seeya. Take a look at some work that has been written about homosexuality after 1950 and you may find that "choice" is not a part of the equation. Then again, if it's safer for you to think of those who are homosexual as being responsible for their orientation, why not have a conversation with one and check your theory out. You might be surprised by what you learn. Geez, I thought this was 2003, not 1953! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jlmiracle 7 #106 October 22, 2003 Quote {Blacks cant help being black...Mexicans cant help being hispanic, and Anglos cant help being white, but gays and lesbians choose to be gays and lesbians. Racial Remarks are based on color...not choice...If you get tired of those remarks you can flip the coin...If I get tired of racial remarks I cant just change color} I think you're in need of some edumacation 321seeya. Take a look at some work that has been written about homosexuality after 1950 and you may find that "choice" is not a part of the equation. Then again, if it's safer for you to think of those who are homosexual as being responsible for their orientation, why not have a conversation with one and check your theory out. You might be surprised by what you learn. Geez, I thought this was 2003, not 1953! I second that. 321seeya's post seems a little trollish to me, but I'm probaby wrong. JudyBe kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
321seeya 0 #107 October 22, 2003 Actually, I have several gay and lesbian friends. The general concenus between them is they are gay by choice. Most if not all of those I know choose to participate in homosexual activities becuase they either are tired of mens shit (sorry guys..Sometimes we do have a lot of shit to put up with) and find another womans touch more appealing, or just find the company of other men to be more appealing. But the CHOICE is theirs...(And yours) If a gay man CHOSE to I am sure he could go and stick it in a bush tonight and trust me, if a lesbian woman wanted to she could get dick tonight......Yeah Yeah I know....Homosexuality is not all about the sex...At least that is what I hear from alot of G&L's but when it does come right down to it...You do have the choice.............................. BASE 3:16 - Even if you are about to land on a cop - DONT FORGET TO FLARE! Free the soul -- DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dkostas 0 #108 October 22, 2003 Wow. What an irrational spin on a sadly misunderstood concept. I think it's safe to say that this marks the end of this part of the thread. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
321seeya 0 #109 October 22, 2003 That sound like a "He just shut me the fuck up.." if you ask me... . BASE 3:16 - Even if you are about to land on a cop - DONT FORGET TO FLARE! Free the soul -- DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Keith 0 #110 October 22, 2003 QuoteActually, I have several gay and lesbian friends. The general concenus between them is they are gay by choice. Most if not all of those I know choose to participate in homosexual activities becuase they either are tired of mens shit . . . Me thinks it's time for you to crawl back under your bridge. That *is* where trolls live, right?Keith Don't Fuck with me Keith - J. Mandeville Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #111 October 22, 2003 I though it was in forests? Or is it mountains... that woudl explain the fur to keep warm.....Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Keith 0 #112 October 22, 2003 Didn't your Mother ever read Three Billygoat's Gruff to you as a child? If I'm not mistaken, in this literary masterpiece, the trolls live under the bridge Keith Don't Fuck with me Keith - J. Mandeville Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #113 October 22, 2003 QuoteDidn't your Mother ... I must have had a deprived childhood.... amazing I turned out straight , though only 50%! lmaoRemster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
321seeya 0 #114 October 22, 2003 QuoteQuoteActually, I have several gay and lesbian friends. The general concenus between them is they are gay by choice. Most if not all of those I know choose to participate in homosexual activities becuase they either are tired of mens shit . . . Me thinks it's time for you to crawl back under your bridge. That *is* where trolls live, right? So now you have to resort personal attacks? I guess you are one of those who would like the world to believe that homosexuality is a sickness..."Ohhh poor me, I was born liking dick and there is noting I can do about it..." What the fuck ever! BASE 3:16 - Even if you are about to land on a cop - DONT FORGET TO FLARE! Free the soul -- DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Keith 0 #115 October 22, 2003 Quote.... amazing I turned out straight Maybe it was all the quality time alone with Mom that made me gay So, maybe you should be glad your Mom didn't read to you as a kid; it may have teetered you over the edge to depravity Keith Don't Fuck with me Keith - J. Mandeville Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #116 October 22, 2003 Quoteit may have teetered you over the edge to depravity What does motherly love have to do with Freeflying?Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Keith 0 #117 October 22, 2003 Oh, come on now, I was just messin' with ya. No need to go and get all whiney.Keith Don't Fuck with me Keith - J. Mandeville Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #118 October 22, 2003 QuoteI must have had a deprived childhood.... amazing I turned out straight , though only 50%! lmao Me too. Fortunately, I've had a depraved adulthood. Of course, at 26%, who knows what I'm doing with 1/4th of my time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #119 October 22, 2003 I just have one question for you: Could you choose to be gay? I'm not asking if you could choose to suck a dick. That's different. I assume you could, although I assume you wouldn't want to. I'm asking, can you choose to be homosexual? Are you capable of just deciding one day, "I feel homosexual. I love sucking dick. I find vaginas repulsive. I fall in love with other men"? Is that a choice you could make? A choice to change your feelings and needs? If not, why do you think other people can make decisions about their orientation? First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #120 October 22, 2003 QuoteI guess you are one of those who would like the world to believe that homosexuality is a sickness..."Ohhh poor me, I was born liking dick and there is noting I can do about it..." Sickness? That seems to be your concept, not mine. You're also the one throwing on the imagined "poor me" attitude. Nothing's further from the truth. I'm gay, I'm happy, and I'm healthy. That seems to piss a lot of people off, but that's their problem, not mine. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #121 October 22, 2003 QuoteNothing's further from the truth. I'm gay, I'm happy, and I'm healthy. That seems to piss a lot of people off, but that's their problem, not mine. -- I think it's helpful. If I walk into a room with 20 people - 10 women, 10 men, and the rest of the men are gay... My chances have improved. I haven't had any in so long, I've forgot who gets tied up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
321seeya 0 #122 October 22, 2003 QuoteQuoteI guess you are one of those who would like the world to believe that homosexuality is a sickness..."Ohhh poor me, I was born liking dick and there is noting I can do about it..." Sickness? That seems to be your concept, not mine. You're also the one throwing on the imagined "poor me" attitude. Nothing's further from the truth. I'm gay, I'm happy, and I'm healthy. That seems to piss a lot of people off, but that's their problem, not mine. Wasnt aimed at you...That was in response to Kevin. In answer to you question...I dont know if I could just decide to be gay. IF Something really drastic came around and I became a woman hater I might. But like I said in my previous post...Some have... BASE 3:16 - Even if you are about to land on a cop - DONT FORGET TO FLARE! Free the soul -- DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #123 October 22, 2003 QuoteIF Something really drastic came around and I became a woman hater I might. But like I said in my previous post...Some have... Odd... I'm not a woman hater. Neither are any of the gay men I know. I do believe you have a completely different view of what being gay means than gay people do. Perhaps you might want to think on that for a little bit. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #124 October 22, 2003 QuoteCould you choose to be gay? Both of you seem to be stuck on the "one reason" theory. I know people who did not make a choice, it was always there. Hetero or not, most people know. I know people live in anguish because of their socialization. I also know people who made a choice out of anger. There are a lot of sources of anger. No listed needed. I think everyone knows people in all those categories. Sometimes, sexuality is a choice, sometimes it isn't. I don't agree with either of you that there is a "single reason". Now could we get back to discussing whether Rodman is a wienie? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Keith 0 #125 October 22, 2003 QuoteWasnt aimed at you...That was in response to Kevin. OK, now *I'm* insulted. My name is Keith, not Kevin. Keith Don't Fuck with me Keith - J. Mandeville Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
