mikemc 0 #1 October 23, 2003 I have lost it, can anyone direct me? Some guy from South Africa has asked to buy a rig I am selling and I want to search for him. I think he is trying to rip me off. Amos white is his name anyone know him? Just to clarify I want to make sure this person is or isnt for real. I can take care of myself but I am sure there are others out there that are more naive than me. I wont be selling to him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Emma 0 #2 October 23, 2003 Watch out on those 'personal attacks'... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slotperfect 7 #3 October 23, 2003 From the "Forums" window, go to "Who's Online" then "View Member Directory" You can search from there.Arrive Safely John Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikemc 0 #4 October 23, 2003 Any opinions on this? This is the only correspondence I've had with him. Quote GOOD DAY, I AM A DEALER IN AFRICA I AM INTERESTED IN BUYING YOUR Teardrop SF in Royal blue CANOPY. I HOPE THE CONDITION IS OKAY, I WILL LIKE TO KNOW THE LAST OFFERING PRICE FOR IT IMMEDIATELY. GET BACK TO ME ASAP. AMOS >No pics of main. Canopy is blue, yellow, orange, blue, orange, yellow, >blue. > >I am meeting someone at a DZ this weekend he seems very interested in >the >rig. > >I will take £1750.00 min. > >Let me know your intentions. > >All in good very condition. Yellow on rig is a little dirty otherwise very >clean. all stitching and velcro good. > >Mike. (PIC OF RIG ATTACHED) Thanks for the reply, I am ok with the price £1750. because i`m so much interested in it.I will handle the shipping aspect myself through my shipping agent who will come to your location for the pickup. Irrespect of payment there is a client of mine in the U.S that is owing me £5000, he will be the one to issue out the cashier check to you.I will like you to cash the payment immediately you recieve it and send the remaining balance of £3250 via western union money transfer to my shipper who will come for the pick up in your location after deducting yours money for rig pics which is £1750. but I want u to understand that all the wire transfer charges will be deducted from my balance. But can I trust you for my balance?If this is OK by you I will like you to give me the name in which the check will be made to,your full contact address,office number,home number & cell phone number. So that I can forward your information to my client and instruct him to issue out the payment.Get back to me ASAP. Thanks, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pa2themd 0 #5 October 23, 2003 QuoteI have lost it, can anyone direct me? Some guy from South Africa has asked to buy a rig I am selling and I want to search for him. I think he is trying to rip me off. Amos white is his name anyone know him? Just to clarify I want to make sure this person is or isnt for real. I can take care of myself but I am sure there are others out there that are more naive than me. I wont be selling to him. Hiya I am from South Africa, I can make some enquires for u if you wish! PM me Do you have any idea where his DZ is? "Most of us can read the writing on the wall; we just assume it's addressed to someone else!" Ivern Ball Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #6 October 23, 2003 Hmmm... Call me cynical if you like, but this stinks of a scam. "A dealer in Africa" covers a hell of a lot of sins. Anyone want to bet AGAINST "Amos White" being Nigerian & non-existent? Anyone want to bet against the chance that "Amos" may shortly need your bank account details for the transfer to go through direct? Anyone want to bet against "Amos" with your bank account number, full name, cellphone number etc... suddenly feeling a need to transfer OUT of your bank account? Beware! Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikemc 0 #7 October 23, 2003 Exactly what I thought, I was trying to make this more of a beware thread, but I was concerned about dz.com eticate, but bollocks WTF do I care!!! pa2themd - I have asked him his usual dz he is yet to answer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiverbrian 0 #8 October 23, 2003 Don't you get enough spam in one day to be able to recognize bullshit when you see it? Try the "DELETE" button and forget about this crap. There are plenty of real skydivers who will buy your stuff. In a world full of people, only some want to fly... isn't that crazy! --Seal Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikemc 0 #9 October 23, 2003 spam is one thing, but this is personal?! If there are people about trying to rip off skydivers then we all need to know about it, some people are more gullible than others. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #10 October 23, 2003 ITS A SCAM Its a known con over here. The police have warned about it. The way it works is you put the cheque in which comes back as cashed. (your bank credits you the money knowing its a bankers draft and therefore shouldnt bounce) You then transfer the money. Then you get a letter from the bank saying the bankers draft failed to clear and that there's no such bank. You just got shafted. STAY AWAY, NO KIDDING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WrongWay 0 #11 October 23, 2003 Tell him if he really wants it, you can hold it for him, then he can send you the cashiers check after his "client" gets him his money. Tell him that then you will send the rig as soon as the check CLEARS. See what he says to that. If he really wants it, he'll wait for it. Otherwise, kick him in the nuts (via email) and find a skydiver who really wants your rig. Wrong Way D #27371 Mal Manera Rodriguez Cajun Chicken Ø Hellfish #451 The wiser wolf prevails. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #12 October 23, 2003 the cheque will clear or at least look like its cleared for a few days. then after a week it comes back as bounced. the bank thinks they are doing you a favour by showing the pending amount in your account as Bankers drafts dont bounce... unless they're from a bank that doesnt exist. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #13 October 23, 2003 Sounds a whole lot like a scam to me... But I'd be interested in seeing if you could find out the following... 1. LIcensing org/license number 2. Previous experiece/# of jumps 3. Reference to a DZO who could vouch for him being able to handle the canopy... 4. Name of the rigger he uses Etc. Things like that will help you identify if he is a jumper; I don't think he is, but it would be a good way to poke him a bit about things. Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skymonkey13 0 #14 October 23, 2003 It's just like the old used car scam. The scam works like this: Person looking to sell a used car or motorcycle advertises the vehicle on the Internet. The unsuspecting seller is contacted in e-mail by a prospective buyer who hails from somewhere in Africa, usually Nigeria. This buyer agrees to the asked-for price without haggling and looks for immediate assurance the vehicle will not be sold to anyone but him. He offers to have someone pick up and ship the vehicle to Africa once the sale is complete, making it clear he alone will bear all charges associated with that aspect of the sale. Mention is now made of the method of payment: a cashier's check for more than the agreed-upon price for the vehicle. This check is to come from the buyer in Africa, with the residue to be sent to a third party in the USA the buyer says he owes money to. The seller is asked to cash the check, keep the right amount for the sale of his car or bike, and send what's left to this third party. (Alternatively, the check is said to be coming from the third party, with the residue after the vehicle is paid for to be sent back to the buyer.) Example 1: Dr. Dipo Morgans of Nigeria wants to buy your used car for $5,000. His friend, Mr. Okuta, will be sending you a cashier's check for $8,000. You are to keep $5,000 for the car and send the remaining $3,000 to Dr. Morgans. Example 2: Dr. Dipo Morgans of Nigeria wants to buy your used car for $5,000. He will be sending you a cashier's check for $8,000 on the understanding that you will forward $3,000 of it to the shipping company that will be transporting your car to Africa. The cashier check for the larger-than-necessary amount arrives and is duly deposited in the seller's bank account. Three days later, the check appears to clear, and any freeze the bank had placed on these funds is removed. Satisfied that the check was good (the bank had released the funds, after all), the seller wires the overage to the person it's owed to and waits for someone to come pick up the vehicle. No one ever comes to pick up the vehicle. Two weeks later, the seller is informed by his bank the check was a forgery. The seller is now out the amount he wired to someone else. In some versions of the scam, the buyer is not an individual but rather an agent for a firm that purchases cars on behalf of others, often diplomats stationed in foreign lands. This car broker is usually located in Africa. The "reason" for the inflated-value check will vary from one attempt to defraud to another. Currency exchange problems will be cited. Or a horrified buyer will realize he's had the check prepared for far too large an amount. Or the check is being sent by a third party for the full amount this other person supposedly owes the buyer. Or it's a refund check for a failed sale for something that would have cost more. Or it would take 30 days to clear a check from Africa, hence the need to have an American third party send the payment. The reasons are many. And varied. And false. Cars or motorcycles aren't the only items to attract this form of scam — those attempting to sell horses have experienced it too. It's not unreasonable to extrapolate those attempting to sell boats will be similarly targeted. What matters is not the nature of the item being offered for sale but its price — it has to be high enough to justify the seller's feeling comfortable in sending thousands of his own dollars to a stranger under the mistaken belief he's already holding an even greater sum in his hand. The scam works because the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. (FDIC) requires banks to make money from cashier's, certified, or teller's checks available in one to five days. Consequently, funds from checks that might not be good are often released into payees' accounts long before the checks have been honored by their issuing banks. High quality forgeries can be bounced back and forth between banks for weeks before anyone catches on to their being worthless, by which time victims have long since wired the "overpayments" to the con artists who have just taken them for a ride. Although this scam is new, real people have already been bilked out of thousands of dollars by it — in some cases tens of thousands. The con has claimed victims in communities across the USA, so don't let its newness lull you into a false sense of security. That the game is new doesn't mean it's not dangerous. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #15 October 23, 2003 Its a scam. Its been tried before and posted before. Walk away and report it to the police.Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dagny 0 #16 October 23, 2003 Dude, like everyone else said..total scam. My sister was selling her scarlet macaw and received a VERY similar response from a "lawyer" in Africa who promised to arrange shipping for the bird via private airline and a courier. Same thing with the cashiers check that would be sent. It was requested that she cash it immediately and return the excess money to the "buyer". Luckily she found out about it and was able to report the incident. If I remember correctly, the FBI or something got involved and said that many, many people have been conned out of thousands (and thousands) of dollars this way. Glad you figured it out before you lost money!Take me, I am the drug; take me, I am hallucinogenic. -Salvador Dali Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weegegirl 2 #17 October 23, 2003 scam. happened to someone i know. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
