VectorBoy 0 #26 October 27, 2003 What if they are a well intentioned self proclaimed CANOPY nazi? Do they have to change their name to wingloading wermacht? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #27 October 27, 2003 Heil!"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingILweenie 0 #28 October 27, 2003 If this law is to hold, shouldn't this thread have ended with Billvon's first post? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #29 October 27, 2003 >If this law is to hold, shouldn't this thread have ended with Billvon's first post? Now you're getting it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #30 October 28, 2003 hmm that aleave no latitude for reasoned argument and it hints of small mindednessYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #31 October 28, 2003 Quote>If this law is to hold, shouldn't this thread have ended with Billvon's first post? Now you're getting it! Ahh but alas, there seems to be an obsessive nature to this thread, thus perpetuating it. So, while I get it, and you get it, everyone sorta get's it.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #32 October 28, 2003 One of my fav logical fallacies is when people use a small item to infer something larger. Usually, if you are say... at the Ford dealership and see 500 Fords and 2 Chevys, you can give a reasonable estimate that your next car will be a Ford. However, if you are in an accident with a white car, not all white cars are out to get you. There are other factors involved. To use the example, Hitler wore brown pants, so all people with brown pants are evil. Hitler was also a Capricorn and a vegetarian. Of course, the vegetarians are a suspicious lot and bear watching. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #33 October 28, 2003 OK, so that is Goodwin's Law. Do you know what Cole's Law is? Thinly sliced cabbage People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FliegendeWolf 0 #34 October 28, 2003 Quote To use the example, Hitler wore brown pants, so all people with brown pants are evil. Hitler was also a Capricorn and a vegetarian. Of course, the vegetarians are a suspicious lot and bear watching. True, but the obverse is valid. By citing the example of Hitler, one can argue that vegetarianism and temperance does not necessarily make one a moral person, which is what I think people generally do with this case.A One that Isn't Cold is Scarcely a One at All Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #35 October 28, 2003 QuoteTrue, but the obverse is valid. By citing the example of Hitler, one can argue that vegetarianism and temperance does not necessarily make one a moral person, which is what I think people generally do with this case. I think it is interesting when someone is trying to make a point and another person comes up with the one exception. One exception does not make a rule invalid. I drive my car and go through green lights. Every so often, someone runs a red light and whacks another car. I still go on the green lights. Life is run on the high percentages. A good generalization is when it occurs about 95% of the time. A good losing argument is characterized by the nit-picky response. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #36 October 28, 2003 >Every so often, someone runs a red light and whacks another car. I >still go on the green lights. That's fine - but it's also perfectly valid to say that waiting for the green light does not guarantee that you won't get whacked by another car. I agree, it's all in the percentages, as long as you're not talking guarantees or absolutes (i.e. "all vegetarians are moral.") Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingILweenie 0 #37 October 28, 2003 it's been a while since i took the class that covered this in college, but technically, isn't it true that everything is technically just a probability, that there is no true absolute (i realize that is an absolute statement), that mathematically there is no 100% certain anything? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pleifer 0 #38 October 28, 2003 I think it's time to introduce people on Talkback to Paul's Law. At its most basic level, it means that if you bring up BOOBIES and/or BEER in an attempt to make your point, you have automatically won the argument, and the thread gets hyjacked. It's a very long standing Internet tradition - which, on the time scale of the Internet, means it's around for over a decade. Which Al Gore invented. It used to apply solely to DZ's groups but it's just as valid here. From the official Paul's Law FAQ: "When someboy on DZ.com brings up BEER and BOOBIES the thread is just getting interesting." Paul's Law: /prov./ [Wherever] "As a DZ's discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving BOOBIES and BEER approaches one." There is a tradition in many groups that, once this occurs, that thread is over, and whoever mentioned it should go to the pub Paul's Law thus practically guarantees the existence of no bound on thread length in those groups of BOOBIES and BEER. - The Beeker File _________________________________________ The Angel of Duh has spoke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FliegendeWolf 0 #39 October 28, 2003 QuoteWhich Al Gore invented. Boy did this political plug come out of the blue. A One that Isn't Cold is Scarcely a One at All Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverdriver 7 #40 October 28, 2003 I say again. I'm in a library. You keep making me laugh like this I'm going to bust a gasket! I'm squeezing tears man! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deuce 1 #41 October 28, 2003 I feel your pain. Unless you are feeling pain in a National Socialist kind of way. I suspect you are only feeling Commercial Airline Pilot kind of pain, though, and that is directly related to skydiving. So, yeah. I feel your pain. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LouDiamond 1 #42 October 28, 2003 Quotethat mathematically there is no 100% certain anything? It is 100% certain that you/we will die one day. Next question please"It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #43 October 29, 2003 QuoteIt is 100% certain that you/we will die one day. Next question please Not really. It will be a 100% certainty once we have all died. However, so far so good. My plan to live forever has been successful to this point. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #44 October 29, 2003 QuoteQuoteIt is 100% certain that you/we will die one day. Next question please Not really. It will be a 100% certainty once we have all died. However, so far so good. My plan to live forever has been successful to this point. It would also depend on your acceptance of the biological definition of "life". If you have a differeing definition you may indeed "LIVE FOREVER"You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #45 October 29, 2003 QuoteIt would also depend on your acceptance of the biological definition of "life". If you have a differeing definition you may indeed "LIVE FOREVER" True. Ok, as an alternate plan...when I die, I want to be bronzed and given to Dove as a toy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingILweenie 0 #46 October 29, 2003 and while i don't know how to calculate it and don't remember the theory that says this, there is a small possibility that you will never die. it's not likely to happen, but the possibility, while infinitesimally small, is still there (man i wish i remembered the actual math theory behind this stuff) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #47 October 29, 2003 Quotethere is a small possibility that you will never die. Darn it, Plan B had some merit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #48 October 29, 2003 QuoteAt its most basic level, it means that if you bring up Nazis or Hitler in an attempt to make your point, you have automatically lost the argument, and the thread ends. It's a very long standing Internet tradition You mean someone actually wins or loses arguments on the Internet??? I was not aware of this! I thought all arguments just went on in mind-numbing rhetoric until the thread finally got locked!!??? Or unless, of course, someone quickly hijacked the thread by mentioning BOOBIES... (or is this only on dropzone.com??? ;-) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #49 October 29, 2003 >You mean someone actually wins or loses arguments on the Internet??? Of course. The first person to leave a thread to actually skydive, get work done etc wins. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shark 0 #50 October 29, 2003 Quote>You mean someone actually wins or loses arguments on the Internet??? Of course. The first person to leave a thread to actually skydive, get work done etc wins. See, I do find myself agreeing with Billvon on occasion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites