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QuoteQuoteAfter all else had failed, one gun shot nearby a guy with information during wartime? Huh, that aint all that was done over there. This one was written about.
I'm sure glad you were voted to speak for everyone. Are you really Grey Davis
It's Gray, and are you misquoting me?
QuoteOutgoing Clinton administration: Trashes White House and all their computers.
Awww come on, that was hilarious! when i heard they took all the W's off the keyboards i was giggling like a kid for days...
Muenkel 0
QuoteAwww come on, that was hilarious! when i heard they took all the W's off the keyboards i was giggling like a kid for days...
And obviously just as mature.
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QuoteQuoteOutgoing Clinton administration: Trashes White House and all their computers.
Awww come on, that was hilarious! when i heard they took all the W's off the keyboards i was giggling like a kid for days...
I wonder what that cost the taxpayers?
never pull low......unless you are
jfields 0
QuoteBut presently, the Democratic Party can't seem to produce a formidable challenge to GWB.
Interestingly enough, the Republican Party can: GWB. He is his own biggest challenge. While you are right that some Democrats will vote for him, his actions have also angered some Republicans enough to vote for anyone but him. He has made an incredible number of major blunders so far.
Personally, I'm hoping for a president that will be honest, effective and work dilligently to represent the interests of the United States while improving relationships with other countries. I haven't seen it in my lifetime. Maybe someday I will. But I know it didn't happen in the Clinton era or either of the Bush presidencies.
Perhaps it is time for something entirely different.
Perhaps it is time for something entirely different.
What's Ross Perot doing these days?
never pull low......unless you are
jfields 0
QuoteWhat's Ross Perot doing these days?
Not that different.
billvon 3,096
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>Reagan and Clinton were in the same position at their mid-term
>elections.
Oh, I agree. Just pointing out that he's currently not quite as popular as some here might think.
>As I said, I cannot predict what will happen in the next year. But
>presently, the Democratic Party can't seem to produce a formidable
> challenge to GWB.
I agree - there are no outstanding candidates.
>Face it, it's 5 more years of Bush/Cheney.
I thought that was a slam-dunk until this summer, when I spent an hour talking to the wife of a Rantoul FBO. She was a staunch republican, and for a while we talked about the boogie, running an FBO, etc. Then Amy started talking about Iraq. She was uncomfortable for a while, then started saying things like "I don't know, but it seems like he doesn't know what he's doing over there. I mean, I supported the war, but I don't see how this will end well. I sure hope it does." If Middle America can see that (and this family was pure Middle America) I think his reelection might not be a sure thing.
For the most part I think it will depend on the economy. If it gets better he'll get reelected. If it doesn't he won't.
>elections.
Oh, I agree. Just pointing out that he's currently not quite as popular as some here might think.
>As I said, I cannot predict what will happen in the next year. But
>presently, the Democratic Party can't seem to produce a formidable
> challenge to GWB.
I agree - there are no outstanding candidates.
>Face it, it's 5 more years of Bush/Cheney.
I thought that was a slam-dunk until this summer, when I spent an hour talking to the wife of a Rantoul FBO. She was a staunch republican, and for a while we talked about the boogie, running an FBO, etc. Then Amy started talking about Iraq. She was uncomfortable for a while, then started saying things like "I don't know, but it seems like he doesn't know what he's doing over there. I mean, I supported the war, but I don't see how this will end well. I sure hope it does." If Middle America can see that (and this family was pure Middle America) I think his reelection might not be a sure thing.
For the most part I think it will depend on the economy. If it gets better he'll get reelected. If it doesn't he won't.
turtlespeed 226
QuoteInteresting, but nobody will reply to your post since they don't agree with your political views. If they did, it would have that bandwagoning effect that is common between a lot of threads. One good troll thread and everyone jumps in with the same opinion, then blasts all that counter that view, regardless if of political leanings.
Or it could have been that the post was made later than most people are at work.
By the looks of it it has grown just a bit during the day.
I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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billvon 3,096
>He didn't lie.
You mean other than claiming we know exactly where the weapons are. And that we found the weapons. And that Niger sold uranium to Iraq.
>Just because we haven't found them doesn't prove that the weapons
>don't exist.
Oh, I'm sure we'll find them eventually. Heck, the next regime will build them at some point, or we'll sell them some. That doesn't change the fact that we went into the last Iraq war based on misleading information.
Face it - "weapons of mass destruction" was the most convenient excuse they could find. Wolfowitz admitted this:
"For bureaucratic reasons, we settled on one issue, weapons of mass destruction (as justification for invading Iraq) because it was the one reason everyone could agree on."
You mean other than claiming we know exactly where the weapons are. And that we found the weapons. And that Niger sold uranium to Iraq.
>Just because we haven't found them doesn't prove that the weapons
>don't exist.
Oh, I'm sure we'll find them eventually. Heck, the next regime will build them at some point, or we'll sell them some. That doesn't change the fact that we went into the last Iraq war based on misleading information.
Face it - "weapons of mass destruction" was the most convenient excuse they could find. Wolfowitz admitted this:
"For bureaucratic reasons, we settled on one issue, weapons of mass destruction (as justification for invading Iraq) because it was the one reason everyone could agree on."
billvon 3,096
>Bush said that they had laboratories. You just said that they found
>two. What am I missing?
Nothing; it was a lie. We did not find biological laboratories, we did not find weapons of mass destruction.
>two. What am I missing?
Nothing; it was a lie. We did not find biological laboratories, we did not find weapons of mass destruction.
billvon 3,096
>Awww come on, that was hilarious! when i heard they took all the W's
>off the keyboards i was giggling like a kid for days...
>I wonder what that cost the taxpayers?
Nothing. The GAO investigated and discovered the story was made up.
>off the keyboards i was giggling like a kid for days...
>I wonder what that cost the taxpayers?
Nothing. The GAO investigated and discovered the story was made up.
Muenkel 0
Bill,
Do you agree that there are much more formidable candidates in the Democratic Party that are waiting for '08 and skipping '04?
I agree with you in regard to the economy. If it goes south, GWB is out of there. But, the economy is not as bad as it was when his dad was running for re-election.
GWB may also benefit from the "I feel safer" vote due to the events of 9/11. Whether anyone likes it or not, 9/11 will be on the minds of many an American when they go to the polls a year from now. It should be interesting to see which way New York goes. As you know, New Yorkers are still quite traumatized and pissed over 9/11.
Another question is, can Schwarzenegger deliver California to the Republicans?
I truly do not know what the results of the '04 election will be. I do agree that GWB is slipping and his PR better get busy.
Either way, I'm sure it will be an interesting election.
Chris
Edited to add: Right now I see numbskulls running for the Democratic nomination. But if you think I am being partisan here, I am not. Because in '96, I saw numbskulls running for the Republican nomination.
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Do you agree that there are much more formidable candidates in the Democratic Party that are waiting for '08 and skipping '04?
I agree with you in regard to the economy. If it goes south, GWB is out of there. But, the economy is not as bad as it was when his dad was running for re-election.
GWB may also benefit from the "I feel safer" vote due to the events of 9/11. Whether anyone likes it or not, 9/11 will be on the minds of many an American when they go to the polls a year from now. It should be interesting to see which way New York goes. As you know, New Yorkers are still quite traumatized and pissed over 9/11.
Another question is, can Schwarzenegger deliver California to the Republicans?
I truly do not know what the results of the '04 election will be. I do agree that GWB is slipping and his PR better get busy.
Either way, I'm sure it will be an interesting election.
Chris
Edited to add: Right now I see numbskulls running for the Democratic nomination. But if you think I am being partisan here, I am not. Because in '96, I saw numbskulls running for the Republican nomination.
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billvon 3,096
>Do you agree that there are much more formidable candidates in the
>Democratic Party that are waiting for '08 and skipping '04?
It would be hard to imagine that there would be _less_ formidable candidates in '08.
>GWB may also benefit from the "I feel safer" vote due to the events
>of 9/11.
I think a lot of that depends on what happens over the next year. There _will_ be more terrorist attacks. If they worry people, more people may get on the "Iraq war made us less safe" thing. If they are minor and confined to places like the Middle East, Russia, Europe etc then you're probably right.
>Right now I see numbskulls running for the Democratic nomination.
>But if you think I am being partisan here, I am not.
I agree with you. I wish we had a candidate for the next election who was _not_ a numbskull. If we could only talk Powell into running . . .
>Democratic Party that are waiting for '08 and skipping '04?
It would be hard to imagine that there would be _less_ formidable candidates in '08.
>GWB may also benefit from the "I feel safer" vote due to the events
>of 9/11.
I think a lot of that depends on what happens over the next year. There _will_ be more terrorist attacks. If they worry people, more people may get on the "Iraq war made us less safe" thing. If they are minor and confined to places like the Middle East, Russia, Europe etc then you're probably right.
>Right now I see numbskulls running for the Democratic nomination.
>But if you think I am being partisan here, I am not.
I agree with you. I wish we had a candidate for the next election who was _not_ a numbskull. If we could only talk Powell into running . . .
jfields 0
QuoteI agree with you. I wish we had a candidate for the next election who was _not_ a numbskull.
Smart people with a shred of common sense know enough not to want to be president. So how do we get any decent candidates, in any party? That is the conundrum.
juanesky 0
Do you need help for tears disposal?
"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon
Muenkel 0
Bill and Justin,
I agree with you both 100%.
I don't care what their party is, I just want a damned good, honest, kick ass president. One that refuses to be a puppet of their party and has the balls (or breasts
) to preside for what is right.
Unfortunately, I don't think I will see this in my lifetime.
Chris
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Chris
I agree with you both 100%.
I don't care what their party is, I just want a damned good, honest, kick ass president. One that refuses to be a puppet of their party and has the balls (or breasts
) to preside for what is right.
Unfortunately, I don't think I will see this in my lifetime.
Chris
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Remster 30
QuoteOne that refuses to be a puppet
Regardless of country or parties, I think this is a thing of the past.... too much lobying and big money is running the show now....
Remster
Muenkel 0
How do we fix it Remi? Do we elect Sebazz? What should we do, you stupid Canuck?
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jfields 0
QuoteHow do we fix it Remi?
For a minute, I thought you asked, "How do we fix Remi?"
I'm praying that got done a long time ago.
The alternatives make me shudder.
Remster 30
Dont ask me... we have a zombie for leader....
Remster
I'm sure glad you were voted to speak for everyone. Are you really Grey Davis
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