skymick 0 #226 October 24, 2003 QuoteThis is NOT about being bleeding heart lefties who want to give all terrorists a fair go. It's about giving the innocent people a fair go. Long beards and funny hats do not necessarily a terrorist make. I was just waiting for you to make a comment like that... you damn leftie uni bludgers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #227 October 24, 2003 Advocating th euse of torture? My goodness, what the heck is going on??? There are reasons why Americans don't use torture. 1) Pragmatic - information gleaned from torture is unreliable. People will say anything to get the torture to stop. Torture someone innocent and get information, you are likely to get your own assets destroyed. 2) Pragmatic - the world knew that if Americans got a hold of them, they would not be killed or tortured. It therefore was to their benefit to surrender. Indeed, the Americans aren't evil, so why resist? Heck, they can show the captives that what they were told about Americans being satan was untrue. Hence, we get them to switch sides and help us. Torture is a monumentally bad idea. Psychological operations? Well, maybe. But there are limits to that reliability, as well. Keepign someone up for days on end affects judgment. This same judgment may be implicated in the veracity of the information. Torture is not effective, and will harm American interests in the long and short run. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikkey 0 #228 October 24, 2003 Well put. There is one more point to this. When you start on anything like torture you are crossing a line. You cannot say "it is just in these cases" or "it is under strict rules". What if somebody is innocent and you torture him or her? How can you say your country is defending human rights, the rule of law and democracy if you start crossing the line? It is a Pandora’s box. The issue of Guantanamo is very dangerous. Not because the US is holding terrorists, it is because they are bypassing their own constitution as well as international conventions they have signed. This is a slippery slope. Would I have a problem if somebody slaps OBL around - no - BUT once you start behaving like this there is no way of controlling it.--------------------------------------------------------- When people look like ants - pull. When ants look like people - pray. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #229 October 24, 2003 QuoteAdvocating th euse of torture? My goodness, what the heck is going on??? You are quite right.. any information gleaned is usually suspect needing to be corroborated. Its far more valuable to hit them psychologically to achieve the desired results. Usually the people doing the torture do it for more personal reasons.. usually sadistic types who enjoy it. Look at the use of it by the Baathists against thier people or the Right Wing Chileans under Pinochet who specialized in it. In the long run that sort of thing is turned against you in long memories by the tortured and thier families. Jeanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #230 October 24, 2003 Quote Can anyone give any good reason as to why they're being held in a camp in Cuba? Same reason as the Nazis shipped the majority of Jews to camps in Poland? "Those who fail to learn the lessons of history ....."... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zlew 0 #231 October 24, 2003 <> At one level you guys amaze me in the crazy evil goverment plans you cook up. But on the other hand I get angry when I hear things like that becuse when you compare what we have in Cuba, to the 6 million people who are killed, and the millions more who were truly tortured (so far beyond what any of you can even cook up for Cuba) for years.... That's not right. i'ts disrespectful to those who were under Nazi control and those who were killed. Don't expect you to understand though. might put a crimp in your theory. Z Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #232 October 24, 2003 Quote<> At one level you guys amaze me in the crazy evil goverment plans you cook up. But on the other hand I get angry when I hear things like that becuse when you compare what we have in Cuba, to the 6 million people who are killed, and the millions more who were truly tortured (so far beyond what any of you can even cook up for Cuba) for years.... That's not right. i'ts disrespectful to those who were under Nazi control and those who were killed. Don't expect you to understand though. might put a crimp in your theory. Z Let's see: people held indefinitely, incommunicado, without charge, outside any contitutional authority, and without independent oversight. Explain how Gitmo is DIFFERENT from any other concentration camp.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kiltboy 0 #233 October 24, 2003 QuoteLet's see: people held indefinitely, incommunicado, without charge, outside any contitutional authority, and without independent oversight. Explain how Gitmo is DIFFERENT from any other concentration camp. Well they aren't being systematically killed, or worked to death for profit/war effort so I think the concentration camp analogy is a little extreme. I agree that the situation in Cuba is not good and that those detained are in a legal limbo and I would think that 6 months should be ample time to ascertain if they are terrorists or militia that should be sent home.. I believe those that are terrorists should have access to officials from their embassy who can arrange for suitable representation for their trial. I think they'll end up in front of a tribunal and not a civil court but I hope that will change and they would be tried in civil court. David Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #234 October 24, 2003 Kevin, Once more you don’t answer a direct question. You cry slandering, and yet you have not shown a single post where I am for drinking and indulging my self in either alcohol or drugs for recreation, nor pro legalization, yet you are. I asked you for who is it oppressive, and your answer was to give me the actual definition of word oppressive. Pot is cultivated on the ground and naturally and so are poisonus mushrooms. They are both dangerous, and worlwide it is a crime to be in possesion of drugs, where is the oppression there?, what is your agenda being pro-legalization of pot, is it for your own use or is it an intended distribution business for you? You seem so hung on saying it is because you find it oppressive, yet you don’t sound honest, and go out to hint stating it is oppresive, and it has never killed anyone and it is safe. I see the only oppressed are the consumers, dealers, and growers, only few of the consumers are people that need it, terminal illness and people with lots of pain, but I’m no doctor to assess this. If you are pro legalizing it, and go such lengths to imply it is ok, safe and does not hurt anyone then you must belong to one of the group. Is this clear for you or you will keep on editing and running away from your self truth? As for those who state that Guantanamo is like a concentration camp, like Nazi’s in WWII, well, ”wow”. If you are so hung about it, write and call and bug your elected officials to change the laws, there was a war you know, and this people where there combating, and most are likely to belong to Al-Qaeda, the reason behind this is obvious, Taliban and Al-Qaeda are very much related. The failure has been in prolonging a military tribunal, and charge them, there is no dispute there, but those people are not part of “we the people” they have no rights to vote, nor take in any decision on vote, they are not represented by a congressman, and have fought against US, tell that to any allien in the process of deportation, it is a moral one, perhaps, but all of them know there is always a risk when you break a law, particulary if you go into a country that you are not citizen of, it is basically common sense. The only agenda I have stated here is actually put my ass in the line of fire, to defend the constitution, US land and its people, in whatever is required for me to do, even if that means either being behind a desk, bearing arms, or whatever they might see fit for me to do, in other to preserve all of the above, and the very institutions and way of life the terrorist have proven to want destroyed. In the other hand most people here are bent into protect them. What an Irony, you all have so many priviledges, and yet do not focus your energies in trying to go to the regular established channels to try to fix what is that you think is wrong, instead, rather prefer useless complaints, and annoying marches, personal attacks that do create nuissance for those who you are trying to "protect" falsely. It is an Irony. Use your own laws, and get your asses on the line while respecting other's people's rights."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #235 October 24, 2003 QuoteQuoteLet's see: people held indefinitely, incommunicado, without charge, outside any contitutional authority, and without independent oversight. Explain how Gitmo is DIFFERENT from any other concentration camp. Well they aren't being systematically killed, or worked to death for profit/war effort so I think the concentration camp analogy is a little extreme. I agree that the situation in Cuba is not good and that those detained are in a legal limbo and I would think that 6 months should be ample time to ascertain if they are terrorists or militia that should be sent home.. I believe those that are terrorists should have access to officials from their embassy who can arrange for suitable representation for their trial. I think they'll end up in front of a tribunal and not a civil court but I hope that will change and they would be tried in civil court. David A "concentration" camp is not necessarily an "extermination" camp. The US put Japanese Americans in concentration camps during WWII, but did not exterminate them. Gitmo IS a concentration camp.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #236 October 24, 2003 Well, that is fine how you want to put it, but the fact is that if you say that it is a NAZI concentration camp, you are implying that is the same thing at all levels. To me is like Riker's only without the sodomy."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kiltboy 0 #237 October 24, 2003 True and the British used them in South Africa with the Boers (I think that may even be when they were first used). I do think the term concentration camp has become connected with Auschwitz, Buchenwald etc. I haven't read enough about the Japanese american situation to debate it. I understand that there was imprisonment but can't comment about conditions, efforts to be released or the accountability of the government at that time etc. I would believe that Gitmo is closer to Internment in N.Ireland (before it was abandoned). Same idea where there was no communication and there were sweeps of people suspected of terrorism. I don't believe that internement worked and if anything was a recruiting tool but I would say that the same conditions apply where it's based on activity and not race (I will accept though that there is a degree of profiling in the residents of gitmo) David Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #238 October 24, 2003 Good lord man, stop spinning things around. he said: QuoteCan anyone give any good reason as to why they're being held in a camp in Cuba? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Same reason as the Nazis shipped the majority of Jews to camps in Poland? He did not say (your quote) Quotethat it is a NAZI concentration camp,Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #239 October 24, 2003 QuoteGood lord man, stop spinning things around. he said: QuoteCan anyone give any good reason as to why they're being held in a camp in Cuba? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------*** Same reason as the Nazis shipped the majority of Jews to camps in Poland? Good lord Remi! You still insist that the people in Cuba are there to be put in chamber gas, use as slaves, and we will even pull their gold teeth, and use their hairs, etc, etc, etc? Gee. Same reason right or is it that you see it as EXTERMINATION, or rather to stop TERRORISM? Edited to add: Very different agendas, and very different reasons. This is in no way spinning someone's words."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kiltboy 0 #240 October 24, 2003 I don't believe Remi said. From your post QuoteGood lord Remi! You still insist that the people in Cuba are there to be put in chamber gas, use as slaves, and we will even pull their gold teeth, and use their hairs, etc, etc, etc? Gee. Same reason right or is it that you see it as EXTERMINATION, or rather to stop TERRORISM? I believe that the misunderstanding is addressed in a subsequent post with the difference between concentration and extermination camps. David Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Remster 30 #241 October 24, 2003 QuoteGood lord Remi! You still insist that the people in Cuba are there to be put in chamber gas, use as slaves, and we will even pull their gold teeth, and use their hairs, etc, etc, etc? Gee. Same reason right or is it that you see it as EXTERMINATION, or rather to stop TERRORISM? You love spin dont you..... when did I say anything??????? I was quoting you guys..... I hate speaking for others, but I think Jonh's point was the Poland part. Its also my opinion that the Nazi could have easily had their larger camps in Germany, but they shipped them to Poland so that they didnt have to deal with having these camps in their land. THATS what is very similar.Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites juanesky 0 #242 October 24, 2003 No this is what Kallend said: ----------------------------------------------------------- Can anyone give any good reason as to why they're being held in a camp in Cuba? ------------------------------------------------------------ Same reason as the Nazis shipped the majority of Jews to camps in Poland? (this is Kallend's response.) ------------------------------------------------------------ So I take it he meant the reason of extermination, slavery, and not only in "concentration" camps with the disclaimer of "any similarities with actual and real life people is mere coincidence". So, in order to have a good debate, then don't lie that people are spinning words around. Kallend's response was completely copied, not half sentence, nor putting more words into it. "According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites juanesky 0 #243 October 24, 2003 Hey, that is fine, but you are implying that I am dumb, because I see this, as a way to seek extermination, for this is what actually happened, and I'm am not (saddly) making this up. The main reason the concentration camps where opened, was in order to comply the FINAL SOLUTION to the JEWISH problem."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Remster 30 #244 October 24, 2003 Quotebut you are implying that I am dumb Again, where???? I'm saying you are spinning things like carzy.Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kiltboy 0 #245 October 24, 2003 I was actually referring to the words Good lord Remi! You still insist that the people in Cuba are there to be put in chamber gas, use as slaves, and we will even pull their gold teeth, and use their hairs, etc, etc, etc? Gee. Same reason right or is it that you see it as EXTERMINATION, or rather to stop TERRORISM? QuoteA "concentration" camp is not necessarily an "extermination" camp. The US put Japanese Americans in concentration camps during WWII, but did not exterminate them. Gitmo IS a concentration camp. There was a post just up a few to distinguish between concentration and extermination camps I have not seen anyone say that the occupants of Gitmo are being exterminated in a final solution, nor that their bodies are being plundered. The Jews were first concentrated in ghettos and camps before the Nazis came up with the final solution. I don't believe anyone in their right mind can say that the occupants of Gitmo are being treated in the same way as the victime of the holocaust. David Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites juanesky 0 #246 October 24, 2003 So where is the spinning you view it that the reason the Nazi's had concentration camps in Poland, is Basically that the did want to avoid a home mess, which is false. THe reason the Nazi's concentration camps were created was first and foremost to exterminate people. And that is my point, trying to explain that I am twisting anyone's words, well, that is fine, but it is not about wording. Back in WWII, the jewish where first put in ghettos, then moved to the concentration camps, which also happen to exist in Germany. It was a matter of logistic to where they were installed, not a matter of principle. The explanation about being categorized about being dumb, was not meaning of your response, but your insistence that I'm spinning words around. Any mention of a NAZI concentration camp can not in any way shape of form be put in the same level as Guantanamo. That is actually spinning the words, trying to imply that is about location. It really is a place where a prison won't be bombed, or a rescue attempt from the terrorists to their fellow comrades will most likely failed. No pun intended, and you don't really have to say things for others either, speak for yourself, or are you an elected official"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites juanesky 0 #247 October 24, 2003 All PRISONS are concentration camps. The words Nazi and Camps together, and then comparing it to Gitmo, sounds out of place. I know he explained that later, but still, forgot to mention, that concentration camps were also found in Germany, thus a theory about them being in Poland does not really make sense unless you are trying to manipulate the facts."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Remster 30 #248 October 24, 2003 QuoteSo where is the spinning you view it that the reason the Nazi's had concentration camps in Poland, is Basically that the did want to avoid a home mess, which is false. THe reason the Nazi's concentration camps were created... The reasons the concentration camps were CREATED were not, I beleive, for the prupose of extermination. That came later. And yes, that was one of the bigest fucking tragedies the world has ever seen. What I'm saying is why they were created in POLAND, regardless of weither or not they were going to be expermination or concentration camps. QuoteAny mention of a NAZI concentration camp can not in any way shape of form be put in the same level as Guantanamo. I did not put them on the same level. I did not read John putting them on the same level. You're the one comparing them and saying there is no comparaison. What I'm saying is that the reason that both the Nazi and the American concentration camps were put away from the Main Land are the same. This is not puting both on the same level. If you think it is, then there is no more to say, as I am not capable of expressing myslef any clearer for your benefit.Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wmw999 2,588 #249 October 24, 2003 Let me join PhillyKev in saying that many of our drug laws are ridiculous and do more harm than good. By the way, while both poisonous mushrooms and pot are cultivated in the ground, there are some other things that are, too. Pot is not illegal everywhere. In fact, there are countries where drugs that we think are illegal are legal. Of course, we pressure some of them to have the same laws we have -- that's our right, and it's their right to accede or refuse. But to say that someone's being for the repeal of many of the drug laws means they are druggies is stupid. I'm also for the repeal of laws against homosexual sex. That doesn't make me a homosexual (not that it would be any of your business either way). Maybe people are also talking to their congressmen and senators about Guantanamo Bay. They can talk about it here, too. Really. Note, by the way, I've said nothing about its being a concentration camp in here. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zlew 0 #250 October 24, 2003 QuoteLet's see: people held indefinitely, incommunicado, without charge, outside any contitutional authority, and without independent oversight. Explain how Gitmo is DIFFERENT from any other concentration camp I think i'm going to give up on this one. Some people love to throw items like this around becasue they know it will get a strong response. Foolishly you might think that saying we have our guys at Cuba for the same reasons the Nazis put the Jews in Poland, that the populas is going to stand up in outrage and strike down the government before we become the next WW2 Germany. All you really do is show your ignorance and lack of thought. We have a handfull of people in Cuba. People who were fighters, not just citizens. The Nazi rounded up AN ENTIRE RACE of people from much of Europe. They were not soldiers, enmy spies, or otherwise harmfull people. They were children, mothers, and anyone else who happend to be Jewish. They were put in these camps to be worked and to be killed. Over 6 million Jews were killed, several million others who the Germans decided they didn't like also died. I would have to say that only the weak minded would defend comparing Cuba to what the Germans did to the Jews in WW2. If you can't wrap your tiny little brain arouond the differnce...... then god damn man I feel sorry for you. Z Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 Next Page 10 of 15 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. 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kiltboy 0 #240 October 24, 2003 I don't believe Remi said. From your post QuoteGood lord Remi! You still insist that the people in Cuba are there to be put in chamber gas, use as slaves, and we will even pull their gold teeth, and use their hairs, etc, etc, etc? Gee. Same reason right or is it that you see it as EXTERMINATION, or rather to stop TERRORISM? I believe that the misunderstanding is addressed in a subsequent post with the difference between concentration and extermination camps. David Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #241 October 24, 2003 QuoteGood lord Remi! You still insist that the people in Cuba are there to be put in chamber gas, use as slaves, and we will even pull their gold teeth, and use their hairs, etc, etc, etc? Gee. Same reason right or is it that you see it as EXTERMINATION, or rather to stop TERRORISM? You love spin dont you..... when did I say anything??????? I was quoting you guys..... I hate speaking for others, but I think Jonh's point was the Poland part. Its also my opinion that the Nazi could have easily had their larger camps in Germany, but they shipped them to Poland so that they didnt have to deal with having these camps in their land. THATS what is very similar.Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #242 October 24, 2003 No this is what Kallend said: ----------------------------------------------------------- Can anyone give any good reason as to why they're being held in a camp in Cuba? ------------------------------------------------------------ Same reason as the Nazis shipped the majority of Jews to camps in Poland? (this is Kallend's response.) ------------------------------------------------------------ So I take it he meant the reason of extermination, slavery, and not only in "concentration" camps with the disclaimer of "any similarities with actual and real life people is mere coincidence". So, in order to have a good debate, then don't lie that people are spinning words around. Kallend's response was completely copied, not half sentence, nor putting more words into it. "According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #243 October 24, 2003 Hey, that is fine, but you are implying that I am dumb, because I see this, as a way to seek extermination, for this is what actually happened, and I'm am not (saddly) making this up. The main reason the concentration camps where opened, was in order to comply the FINAL SOLUTION to the JEWISH problem."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #244 October 24, 2003 Quotebut you are implying that I am dumb Again, where???? I'm saying you are spinning things like carzy.Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kiltboy 0 #245 October 24, 2003 I was actually referring to the words Good lord Remi! You still insist that the people in Cuba are there to be put in chamber gas, use as slaves, and we will even pull their gold teeth, and use their hairs, etc, etc, etc? Gee. Same reason right or is it that you see it as EXTERMINATION, or rather to stop TERRORISM? QuoteA "concentration" camp is not necessarily an "extermination" camp. The US put Japanese Americans in concentration camps during WWII, but did not exterminate them. Gitmo IS a concentration camp. There was a post just up a few to distinguish between concentration and extermination camps I have not seen anyone say that the occupants of Gitmo are being exterminated in a final solution, nor that their bodies are being plundered. The Jews were first concentrated in ghettos and camps before the Nazis came up with the final solution. I don't believe anyone in their right mind can say that the occupants of Gitmo are being treated in the same way as the victime of the holocaust. David Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #246 October 24, 2003 So where is the spinning you view it that the reason the Nazi's had concentration camps in Poland, is Basically that the did want to avoid a home mess, which is false. THe reason the Nazi's concentration camps were created was first and foremost to exterminate people. And that is my point, trying to explain that I am twisting anyone's words, well, that is fine, but it is not about wording. Back in WWII, the jewish where first put in ghettos, then moved to the concentration camps, which also happen to exist in Germany. It was a matter of logistic to where they were installed, not a matter of principle. The explanation about being categorized about being dumb, was not meaning of your response, but your insistence that I'm spinning words around. Any mention of a NAZI concentration camp can not in any way shape of form be put in the same level as Guantanamo. That is actually spinning the words, trying to imply that is about location. It really is a place where a prison won't be bombed, or a rescue attempt from the terrorists to their fellow comrades will most likely failed. No pun intended, and you don't really have to say things for others either, speak for yourself, or are you an elected official"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #247 October 24, 2003 All PRISONS are concentration camps. The words Nazi and Camps together, and then comparing it to Gitmo, sounds out of place. I know he explained that later, but still, forgot to mention, that concentration camps were also found in Germany, thus a theory about them being in Poland does not really make sense unless you are trying to manipulate the facts."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #248 October 24, 2003 QuoteSo where is the spinning you view it that the reason the Nazi's had concentration camps in Poland, is Basically that the did want to avoid a home mess, which is false. THe reason the Nazi's concentration camps were created... The reasons the concentration camps were CREATED were not, I beleive, for the prupose of extermination. That came later. And yes, that was one of the bigest fucking tragedies the world has ever seen. What I'm saying is why they were created in POLAND, regardless of weither or not they were going to be expermination or concentration camps. QuoteAny mention of a NAZI concentration camp can not in any way shape of form be put in the same level as Guantanamo. I did not put them on the same level. I did not read John putting them on the same level. You're the one comparing them and saying there is no comparaison. What I'm saying is that the reason that both the Nazi and the American concentration camps were put away from the Main Land are the same. This is not puting both on the same level. If you think it is, then there is no more to say, as I am not capable of expressing myslef any clearer for your benefit.Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,588 #249 October 24, 2003 Let me join PhillyKev in saying that many of our drug laws are ridiculous and do more harm than good. By the way, while both poisonous mushrooms and pot are cultivated in the ground, there are some other things that are, too. Pot is not illegal everywhere. In fact, there are countries where drugs that we think are illegal are legal. Of course, we pressure some of them to have the same laws we have -- that's our right, and it's their right to accede or refuse. But to say that someone's being for the repeal of many of the drug laws means they are druggies is stupid. I'm also for the repeal of laws against homosexual sex. That doesn't make me a homosexual (not that it would be any of your business either way). Maybe people are also talking to their congressmen and senators about Guantanamo Bay. They can talk about it here, too. Really. Note, by the way, I've said nothing about its being a concentration camp in here. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zlew 0 #250 October 24, 2003 QuoteLet's see: people held indefinitely, incommunicado, without charge, outside any contitutional authority, and without independent oversight. Explain how Gitmo is DIFFERENT from any other concentration camp I think i'm going to give up on this one. Some people love to throw items like this around becasue they know it will get a strong response. Foolishly you might think that saying we have our guys at Cuba for the same reasons the Nazis put the Jews in Poland, that the populas is going to stand up in outrage and strike down the government before we become the next WW2 Germany. All you really do is show your ignorance and lack of thought. We have a handfull of people in Cuba. People who were fighters, not just citizens. The Nazi rounded up AN ENTIRE RACE of people from much of Europe. They were not soldiers, enmy spies, or otherwise harmfull people. They were children, mothers, and anyone else who happend to be Jewish. They were put in these camps to be worked and to be killed. Over 6 million Jews were killed, several million others who the Germans decided they didn't like also died. I would have to say that only the weak minded would defend comparing Cuba to what the Germans did to the Jews in WW2. If you can't wrap your tiny little brain arouond the differnce...... then god damn man I feel sorry for you. Z Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
