juanesky 0 #101 October 22, 2003 So being suspicious is being racist? That is a good new definition I forgot to look up"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #102 October 22, 2003 Was just posting the most relevant points that the new King George is doing the same as the prior. Here's the first paragraph: When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. Actually, that furthers the point that it was the intention that these are basic fundamental rights of all mankind and that this gov't was formed in order to protect those rights. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goose491 0 #103 October 22, 2003 QuoteSo being suspicious is being racist? That is a good new definition I forgot to look up Bwahahaaaa, I got this one. Being suspicious is not being racist Being suspicious solely because of race is. clear? My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #104 October 22, 2003 QuoteWas it convienient for you to leave out the first paragraph, or it just didn't fit to your argument? No Clint, is something that has to do with either twisting and clipping words in order to get something completely different, or a case with few brain cells not funcitoning correctly."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #105 October 22, 2003 QuoteSo being suspicious is being racist? That is a good new definition I forgot to look up Try dictionary.com Racism - The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others. -Discrimination or prejudice based on race. By making suppositions about someone's character which is what you're doing by being suspicious, based on their race, it is racism. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #106 October 22, 2003 Quoteclear? Your expectations may be too lofty.....Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #107 October 22, 2003 QuoteQuoteWas it convienient for you to leave out the first paragraph, or it just didn't fit to your argument? No Clint, is something that has to do with either twisting and clipping words in order to get something completely different, or a case with few brain cells not funcitoning correctly. I was just trying to be clear about which parts I was referring to, considering the lack of reading comprehension so apparent by some viewers of this material. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #108 October 22, 2003 Well on my definition, I am not superior but in fear of being blown. Is that satisfactory? If I see you doing drugs, I would also be suspicious you can be harmful to those around you as well. It has nothing to do with race.So suspicious of thinking that you can blow someone up, (not a hint of superiority here), is racist. So be it. You are missing a point, that is very sad situation for true muslims, who in the end will pay the price."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goose491 0 #109 October 22, 2003 Ouch! lol I tried many a combined word... this seemed the 'clearest' to me. My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #110 October 22, 2003 Juan, You are a good guy, but I don't have suspicions of guys wearign turbans, mainl because the majority of them are Sikhs, who have done nothing to deserve this. Terrorists have not crippled our freedoms. In fact, they exploited our freedoms. As a result, our government is limiting the freedoms. The government is deciding that security and order are more important than freedom. I don't agree with this policy. I'd rather be free than secure. Call me unfeeling, but I'd rather deal with the prospect of terrorism (which we are doing now) and be free than deal with the prospect fo terror and have my freedoms abrogated. The abrogation of the rights of one are an abrogation of the rights of all. Hastily procured policies designed to quickly address an issue are rarely beneficial in the long run. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #111 October 22, 2003 QuoteWe now will have suspicion about any person wearing a turban next to us in a plane, The belief that race accounts for differences in human character Come on...use your purified brain cells and see if you can make the connection. QuoteIf I see you doing drugs, I would also be suspicious you can be harmful to those around you as well. That would be sound judgment, not racism. If I saw you acting suspicious after seeing an Arab, I would be suspicious that you are a racist. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #112 October 22, 2003 Quoteclear? Quote Your expectations may be too lofty..... Apparently Bill, you are willing to support someone who is willing to kill you and your family for being an infidel, and you prefer that kind of sacrifice, instead of one of your own country man willing to sacrifice his life to root out these same people you are boud to protect. Quite confusing...."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #113 October 22, 2003 QuoteQuoteSo being suspicious is being racist? That is a good new definition I forgot to look up Try dictionary.com Racism - The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others. -Discrimination or prejudice based on race. By making suppositions about someone's character which is what you're doing by being suspicious, based on their race, it is racism. So I have a question Kev - for arguments sake - lets say you happen to be driving - your car breaks down in a predominantly arab neiborhood in the low-rent area of---Miami, or some other large City --- in order for you to fix whatr is wrong with your car, you have to get out of it. All of the sudden you notice quite a few arab men coming over to your car. . .are you scared?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #114 October 22, 2003 QuoteI am not superior but in fear of being blown Why do you feel the need to share your homophobia with us in this thread?Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #115 October 22, 2003 QuoteApparently Bill, I am not quite sure which Bill you are replying too. Remi is many things, mostly ugly, but certainly not a Bill Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #116 October 22, 2003 QuoteQuoteclear? Quote Your expectations may be too lofty..... Apparently Bill, you are willing to support someone who is willing to kill you and your family for being an infidel, and you prefer that kind of sacrifice, instead of one of your own country man willing to sacrifice his life to root out these same people you are boud to protect. Quite confusing.... You're confusing at the best of times, but man, you lost me on this one....Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #117 October 22, 2003 Yes...as I would be if I saw quite a few white men coming toward me and my broken down car in a bad neighborhood. The circumstances would make me uneasy, not the race of those around me. I live and work in Center City Philadelphia. I walk almost everywhere all hours. I am frequently the only white on a crowded block. But I'm not scared, because it's usually in decent neighborhoods. There are certain predominantly white neighborhoods that I wouldn't go near. Some people really do have the ability to judge circumstances and actions rather than appearance. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #118 October 22, 2003 Quote mostly ugly lucky fo me my wife has poor taste then Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #119 October 22, 2003 I know the difference betweent the sighs, and the muslim turban, but you missed the whole point I was referring to. So if you think that you will not be suspicious of someone wearing the same thing Arafat wears in his head, and sweating profusely and speaking in arabic, while on board a plane, next to you, and you will be calm, then let me know if that is racist. The system will never be perfect, never, any human act will always be far from being perfect, and never satisfying for all parties involved. US has done its own checks and balances, and revised laws in the past, such as the camps for Japanese citizens back in WWII, the segregation in the south. With citizens like you it is not farfetched to find changes needed through the regular channels. But you got to understand that there are people affected directly and who think is their right to defend themselves."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goose491 0 #120 October 22, 2003 QuoteWell on my definition, I am not superior but in fear of being blown. Is that satisfactory? If I see you doing drugs, I would also be suspicious you can be harmful to those around you as well. It has nothing to do with race. Being worried about being near a Drugged up Philly is your right, and no it has nothing to do with race.... But being worried about being blown up because your sittin next to a Turban? Hmmm I don't see how these things compare... in one, you are watching someone DO something that makes you worry about his/your safety. In the other, you are just seeing a Turban and it makes you worry. QuoteSo suspicious of thinking that you can blow someone up, (not a hint of superiority here), is racist. If the reason for this suspiciousness is some fabric wrapped around a man's head, yes. Dont feel bad if you don't get it... I'll keep tryin' QuoteSo be it. You are missing a point, that is very sad situation for true muslims, who in the end will pay the price. Well, thanks to bigotry, predjudice and good ol' fashioned racism, muslims will indeed have it a little tougher... but, it is my opinion that nobody will suffer more from all this crap in the future, than the American people themselves. My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #121 October 22, 2003 >We now will have suspicion about any person wearing a turban next >to us in a plane . . . I work with people in turbans. I had a boss a while back who was an Iranian woman. I work with Iraqis, Syrians and Israelis. I'm not more suspcious of any of them. >So I would suggest to bring forward intelligent alternatives to a > problem created by terrorism, I do not want another family member > blown when taking a flight for vacations, and will do whatever > necessary on my part to make sure I can protect this land and > people, my family to the threat of those fanatics, whatever price I > may have to pay. I applaud your willingness to pay any price to protect your family. But I would not support you if you tried to impose your fears on the rest of the US by taking away their freedoms, the very same freedoms US soldiers throughout history died to protect. They paid the ultimate price to protect those freedoms for you; you pay them no respect by denigrating them. If you truly want to keep this from happening again, support peace talks with the Palestinians, and figure out how we can do the best possible job cleaning up the messes in Afghanistan and Iraq. The fewer people who are willing to die to fight an evil enemy, the safer your family will be. 9/11 almost happened a decade ago. It could have easily happened decades ago. Something even worse happened on December 7th, 1941. Nothing is different today. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jfields 0 #122 October 22, 2003 Quotemostly ugly -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- lucky fo me my wife has poor taste then You are the aberration. Her taste in other men is excellent. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #123 October 22, 2003 >Apparently Bill, you are willing to support someone who is willing to > kill you and your family for being an infidel, and you prefer that > kind of sacrifice, instead of one of your own country man willing to > sacrifice his life to root out these same people you are boud to > protect. Quite confusing... Who are you answering? And what post are you answering? I said nothing about supporting terrorists. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #124 October 22, 2003 Personally, i wish not to die anytime soon. I really do not wish to be blown up or be present in an airliner that is aimed at another building. If I have to stereotype some people to add security or at least my illusion of security then so be it. I'm not a racist because of it. It does make me something that is offensive to alot of people, that opinion makes me a REALIST. I don't know if you gamble, I don't care, but I'm assuming that you know how to play blackjack. Would you hit on your two kings showing, or would you wager that the dealer with the 5 showing might bust. It's all about the odds. I guarantee the odds are better that a middleaged middle eastern man would be the bomb carrier on a plane as opposed to the Mother with 2 kids, or the 80 year old lady. Giving the benifit of the doubt is one thing, but lets face the real world, Kev, there are those people out there that want nothing better than to kill us all and squash our way of life because a "higher Power" told them to. I really don't ever want to be on the recieving end of a conversation that sounds something like, "Die you Infedel" Do you?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #125 October 22, 2003 >So if you think that you will not be suspicious of someone wearing > the same thing Arafat wears in his head, and sweating profusely and > speaking in arabic, while on board a plane, next to you, and you will > be calm, then let me know if that is racist. I would be suspicious of ANYONE sweating profusely and clutching a bulging bag like his life depended on it. Whether they are speaking Arabic, Spanish or Mexican. Whether they are wearing a turban, a stetson or a frap hat. >The system will never be perfect, never, any human act will always be > far from being perfect, and never satisfying for all parties involved. I agree! But the constitution is pretty good. >With citizens like you it is not farfetched to find changes needed > through the regular channels. But you got to understand that there > are people affected directly and who think is their right to defend > themselves. No problems there. Defend your home as you like, and if you want to change the constitution, introduce a new amendment. But don't expect any sympathy if you want to just violate the constitution because you're scared. (ps. yes the mexican thing was a joke.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
