Lefty 0 #1 November 4, 2003 I know you all probably don't have the time to read this whole thing, but I found it interesting enough to read it all. I especially liked that part about South Park. http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110004245 - LeftyProvoking a reaction isn't the same thing as saying something meaningful. -Calvin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #2 November 4, 2003 Well, I took 45 minutes to read that one. I tthought is was pretty good. THe lefties will say it had rightie spin, but hey WCYD. I think this is something that is very true, and something the Left should be worried about. I think people of my generation are fed up with all the PC BS out there, we are fed up with all the Shiny happy people thoughts which are forced down our throats. I think the 20 somethings right now are the first ones that were really smothered by PC. And, now that we are out of the Liberal colleges of this country and in the workplace, we are getting a much better sense of how the world works. It is not a nice happy place where everyone loves eachother. The business world is cut throat, and we all need to look out for ourselves first. I really do think you are seeing a dramatic change in the youth of this nation toward the right. In college, I didn't even care about voting, an I was somewhat Left of center. Now that I have been out for several years, I lean Right, and I realize voting is one of the most important powers I have. Scary times for the Elite Media, and the left in general. Chris ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DYEVOUT 0 #3 November 4, 2003 ----------------=8^)---------------------- "I think that was the wrong tennis court." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #4 November 4, 2003 Boortz has this posted on his website. Great article. I think that one of the reason the left has been doing so poorly as of late in many respects is the coming of the internet and FoxNews. Our conservative viewpoints have garnered much more support merely by having our viewpoints heard for once vice squelched and smeared by the Left-media. Easy access to information and basic research for the inquisitive via the internet have really made the liberal viewpoint hard to defend in many respects. The liberal response to this has helped as well. They have screamed and screamed about FoxNews being a tool of the Republican party - while they have denied the leftist media bias for years. They have also turned further left at almost every opportunity attempting to contrast their indefensible positions with those of the right. I like this trend. Looking for a Barbour/Fletcher victory today in Mississippi and KY. Not going to slam Musgrove too hard though - for a democrat he was a very decent governor.Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,078 #5 November 4, 2003 >THe lefties will say it had rightie spin, but hey WCYD. I agree. The media has developed a distinct tilt to the right. The question is - will we still hear the laments of the right about the "damn left-leaning media?" It's been a favorite way to minimize bad publicity about Iraq (for example) but when even FOX makes dead US soldiers in Iraq headline news, it's hard to place the blame on a liberal bush-hating media. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #6 November 4, 2003 (applying flame retardent) this is not researched yet QuoteThe media has developed a distinct tilt to the right. ??? Because there is one major network? I saw a poll (searching right now) by a respected group, Gallup I think, that said between 55 and 60 thought the news media was strongly liberal biased. So I have to ask, how do you define "distinct tilt?" QuoteThe question is - will we still hear the laments of the right about the "damn left-leaning media?" I call em like I see em.... and as to Iraq, I think you and I would largely agree on the best course and the 'if onlys.' You've got to draw the line between liberal/conservative at home and respectful/interventionist at home. They're not causal, and I don't think they're even correlated.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #7 November 4, 2003 Quotebut when even FOX makes dead US soldiers in Iraq headline news, it's hard to place the blame on a liberal bush-hating media. Bill, what does this mean? Even if Fox leans right, why wouldn't they report Dead troops as a major story? Maybe I am reading this wrong, but I just don't know what you are saying. Chris ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #8 November 4, 2003 The media has developed a right wing tilt? I disagree. Name ONE pro-life female in ANY newsroom other than Fox. Give me some conservative-biased quotes from CNN/CBS/ABC/NBC news. (I can give you liberal ones from Fox.) The point of the article is that conservatives and libertarians now have a voice in the news - and it's well received by the general populace.Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #9 November 4, 2003 QuoteMr. Ailes himself wrote to President Bush, urging him to strike back hard against al Qaeda. On-air personalities and reporters freely referred to "our" troops instead of "U.S. forces," and Islamist "terrorists" and "evildoers" instead of "militants." Such open displays of patriotism are anathema to today's liberal journalists, who see "taking sides" as a betrayal of journalistic objectivity. And they'd be right. Reporting the news is simply that -- reporting. It's NOT taking sides. I love the last line in the piece. Quote It's hard to imagine that this development won't result in a broader national debate--and a more conservative America. I'll agree that there will probably be more divisiveness, but to assume that America will become more conservative as a result is simply trying to create a self fulfilling prophesy via spin.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,078 #10 November 4, 2003 >Even if Fox leans right, why wouldn't they report Dead troops as a >major story? The media has been criticized by several conservatives recently for only reporting the bad news in their headlines. Conservatives here on this board have criticized them for just that. Clearly, if reporting bad news first was a characteristic of a left-leaning liberal media, FOX would not be doing it as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bill2 0 #11 November 4, 2003 I agree. The media has developed a distinct tilt to the right. _______________ The only rightward tilt is at Fox, the Internet, and on radio. In terms of newspapers and TV, it's generally to the left: anti-gun, anti-religious, anti-Iraq war, and many times simply anti-American. The internet, especially is the changing things since you can now access many more sources of information than just the major media outlets such as CNN/ NY Times/ABC/NBC/CBS. and those major media types don't like it. The whole Jason Blair thing would not have happened the way it did if not for the internet. same goes for gun control and Prof. Bullieles (spelling) and the bullshit book he wrote "The Arming of America" (title could be wrong). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lefty 0 #12 November 5, 2003 I think you forgot the first part of your statement while you were writing the second part. The key word used was "only". Liberal media only report the bad news. Fox reports the good as well as the bad. - Lefty Edited to change sig to "Lefty" instead of Paul, which doesn't exist for me in skydiving, as I've been reminded many times.Provoking a reaction isn't the same thing as saying something meaningful. -Calvin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,078 #13 November 5, 2003 >Liberal media only report the bad news. Bzzt! Sorry. The first time Bodypilot90 claimed a media bias in reporting on Iraq, I looked at the first ten stories that appeared on CNN when you searched "Iraq." Here they were: - Shot Iraq politician 'worsens' Negative story; assassination attempt - General: More reservists may be called for Iraq duty Negative story; hints at 'quagmire' - Democrats say Iraq timetable too vague Negative story - Bremer, Rumsfeld face senators on Iraq funds Neutral story; some oppose it, most think funding bill will pass with mods - Iraq says it will stay in OPEC Positive story; OPEC membership means improved economy for Iraqis. - Iraqi minister: Empowerment under way Positive story. - Bush, Schroeder mend fences Positive story; international help may be forthcoming - Chirac: Iraq war undermined U.N. Negative story. - World leaders speak out over Iraq Neutral story. Leaders condemn war but support aid to Iraq. - Ancient mask recovered in Iraq Positive story. Suggests looting problem is being 'fixed.' I count four negative, two neutral and two positive. And this was on Sept 24th, just before Bush criticized the media for being too negative. >Fox reports the good as well as the bad. Let's see, shall we? Search on "iraq" on the FOX news site, and list all the ones that are news stories (i.e. ignore the "Join the debate!" ones) - Tuesday, November 04, 2003 - BAGHDAD, Iraq — Four loud explosions blasted across central Baghdad Tuesday and smoke could be seen rising close to the Coalition... Negative; another bombing - Tuesday, November 04, 2003 - The U.S. military grounded all daytime operations by CH-47 Chinook (search) helicopters Monday after Iraqi insurgents downed one... Negative; CH-47 downing - Tuesday, November 04, 2003 - Handing a legislative victory to President Bush, Congress voted its final approval Monday for $87.5 billion (search) for U.S.... Positive; Bush gets money for Iraq - Tuesday, November 04, 2003 - CRAWFORD, Texas — The hotly contested California recall election is over. Fires that ravaged southern California are all but... Negative, but not really about Iraq. We'll ignore this one. - Tuesday, November 04, 2003 - The numbers are in and the economy’s looking up. Find out how you can cash in on tonight’s edition of Your World with Cavuto... Positive, but not about Iraq. - Topics and Guests for Nov. 4 - Tuesday, November 04, 2003 - Despite continued violence in Iraq, a widening mutual fund scandal and the indictment of former HealthSouth Corp. Richard Scrushy the... Negative. - Tuesday, November 04, 2003 - Veteran newscaster John Gibson gets to the core of the most salient issues facing America today as host of FNC's hard-hitting primetime... Negative; first issue is " The rising level of bloodshed is threatening to become a political liability for President Bush." - Tuesday, November 04, 2003 - The Democratic candidates for president have hit the campaign trail running, and so has our own "Campaign" Carl Cameron — hot on the... Not directly about Iraq. - Tuesday, November 04, 2003 - MADRID, Spain — Spain (search) said Tuesday it was withdrawing much of its diplomatic staff from Iraq for security reasons,... Negative. - Tuesday, November 04, 2003 - Every weeknight at 7 p.m. ET, Shepard Smith wraps up the day's events in a fast-paced hour that has become cable's #1 nightly newscast!... Negative. Lead story: "It's another nighttime attack near the headquarters of coalition forces in Iraq as guerillas launch new attacks against coalition forces." - Tuesday, November 04, 2003 - And now the most engaging two minutes in television, the latest from the wartime grapevine:... Very negative! "When asked to identify countries they deemed threats to global peace, Europeans' No. 1 answer is Israel (search), with the U.S. tied for 2nd. Fifty-nine percent of those responding said Israel is a threat, followed by 53 percent who said the U.S is, the same percent who considered Iran and North Korea threats." - Tuesday, November 04, 2003 - WASHINGTON — Former Iraqi Vice Premier Tariq Aziz (search), who surrendered to U.S. authorities on May 24, has been providing... Positive. Aziz provides help to US authorities. - Tuesday, November 04, 2003 - MOSCOW — President Vladimir Putin (search) said Russia won't contribute troops to an international peacekeeping force in Iraq,... Negative. So based on their website, they seem to have no problem with mainly negative stories. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lefty 0 #14 November 5, 2003 That's not really the large-picture view I was expecting, considering all the FOX headlines were taken from the same day. Anyway, it's not the headlines that bother me so much as what goes on between the headlines. Like the other day while I was enjoying some fine cuisine at CiCi's, I saw some anchor interviewing a military consultant on CNN. She asked him about things that were going wrong, and he told her. Then she asked about things that were going well. At this point, the consultant seemed to cheer up and started talking about the positive things. Not two sentences came out of his mouth before the anchor broke in squawking about negative stuff. If I remember correctly, the dialogue went something like this: Consultant : "And we were also able to open up a new elementary school in Baghdad and-" Anchor: "But what about terrorists and bombings and Saddam not being found and blah, blah, blah, blah." It was a very thinly veiled attempt to start whining about Iraq, and nothing more. Would you see that on FOX? No. I believe that is more of what the article is talking about, anyway. - LeftyProvoking a reaction isn't the same thing as saying something meaningful. -Calvin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,078 #15 November 5, 2003 >It was a very thinly veiled attempt to start whining about Iraq, and > nothing more. Would you see that on FOX? No. This is almost too easy. From FOX: ------------------------------------------------------- TONY SNOW, FOX NEWS: Now joining us to discuss the events this morning, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld. Secretary Rumsfeld, there is some question about the nature of the opposition in Iraq. President Bush has said recent attacks strike him as signs of desperation. . . Doesn't today's strike strike you as an act of resolve, rather than desperation? DONALD RUMSFELD, U.S. SECRETARY OF DEFENSE: Well, I wouldn't put it that way, Tony. . . SNOW: Secretary, that's understood, but there are also reports today the people are dancing. In fact, there was a report of one young man dancing around and laughing with an American soldier's helmet on his head. . . . RUMSFELD: Tony, citing a single young person dancing around, cheering, when something adverse happens, is a fact, I am sure, that there was somebody doing that. It's also a fact that there's 23 million people in that country who have been liberated, and the overwhelming majority are very much in support of the coalition. SNOW: We understand... RUMSFELD: They want Saddam Hussein gone. SNOW: That's — nobody's quibbling with that. The problem is that there are pockets of resistance... RUMSFELD: Of course. Of course. SNOW: ... that are making things difficult for the United States, and in some places they're concentrated. Fallujah... RUMSFELD: True. SNOW: ... Tikrit, those are all hotbeds. RUMSFELD: The area from Baghdad and north are hotbeds of opposition, and the area father north is not, and farther south is not. And the overwhelming majority is not. ------------------------------------------------- I think people hear whatever they want to hear on the news. If you want to hear whining on CNN, you'll hear it. If you hear a reporter interrupt the Secretary of Defense to say "but what about the hotbeds of resistance?" and to ask about the kids dancing with dead soldier's helmets on their heads, and you _don't_ want to hear whining on FOX, you won't hear it. The fact is that news outlets sell news people want to hear. That's what makes them successful. And like it or not, the death of a US soldier will almost always be more important to people than an elementary school that opened up in Iraq. I know the deaths of US servicemen is more important to _me_, and I'm glad reporters interrupt consultants who are prattling on about a new school that opened when 16 US soldiers are killed in one day by attacks that are getting more and more sophisticated and deadly. Elementary schools are nice; the killing of over a dozen soldiers simply takes priority. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lefty 0 #16 November 5, 2003 QuoteElementary schools are nice; the killing of over a dozen soldiers simply takes priority. I agree, but they weren't the topics for discussion on the same day. As for people hearing what they want to hear in the news, you're probably right. I'm just glad more and more people would rather hear it from a place like FOX or talk radio rather than CNN or the New York Times. - LeftyProvoking a reaction isn't the same thing as saying something meaningful. -Calvin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #17 November 5, 2003 QuoteAnd they'd be right. Reporting the news is simply that -- reporting. It's NOT taking sides. So are you saying we have no reporting? By your definition, I would. A little story - When I lived in DC I used to love to pick up all the area papers and compare stories about the same thing. Interesting what one mentioned and another did not. I actually had a friend who called the the Washington Post a right wing propaganda rag. I always thought it was the least left leaning, and most restrained in adding opinion to facts. He is the most liberal person I've ever known, and I tend to be fairly conservative. Question for everyone: If you're left, does the media have a right tilt? or If you're right, does the media have a left tilt? Well?witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #18 November 5, 2003 Quote Question for everyone: If you're left, does the media have a right tilt? or If you're right, does the media have a left tilt? If the reporter is doing it correctly, then yes. I'm not saying that media bias doesn't exist, only what the ideal is -- straight down the middle and objective.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #19 November 5, 2003 QuoteI think people of my generation are fed up with all the PC BS out there, we are fed up with all the Shiny happy people thoughts which are forced down our throats. One of the cutest examples of PC BS I've heard lately is the term "handi-capable". It also appears without the hyphen, as "handicapable". Can someone please explain to me the logic behind calling anyone with a disability "handicapable". I can't help but shine and smile everytime I hear it -- it's the feel good term of the summer! . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikkey 0 #20 November 5, 2003 QuoteIf the reporter is doing it correctly, then yes. I'm not saying that media bias doesn't exist, only what the ideal is -- straight down the middle and objective. Unfortunately this does NOT exist. There are 2 type of bias in media. One is HOW something is reported and the second is IF or how prominent it is being reported. The media cannot report everything and every news with the same priority. By having Editors in place decisions are made which story is being "run" and "where" and how "much". By having to make these choices the media is exercising "bias" because they make a judgement call of what and how to report news. That is just the nature of the beast. Good journalists/editors try to make these choices without being influenced by ideology, own opinion or third party pressure groups. But total objectivity does not exist.--------------------------------------------------------- When people look like ants - pull. When ants look like people - pray. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #21 November 5, 2003 Isn't that more or less what I said? Even the extreme left and right reporters at least pretend they're being centrist (when obviously they're not). They know that the "ideal" is middle of the road -- "fair and balanced" (again, even if they themselves know they're not.)quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ripper0289 0 #22 November 5, 2003 "Such open displays of patriotism are anathema to today's liberal journalists, who see "taking sides" as a betrayal of journalistic objectivity." I don't think they see it as taking sides, they have already taken sides, and they see these United States of America as bad. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
