billvon 3,114 #26 November 5, 2003 >though if you agree that maximum exposure to educated viewers is >the worst possible thing for them, I would agree with you. Apparently, exposure to FOX causes you to become less educated - or at least less informed. FOX viewers have more misconceptions about events surrounding the war with Iraq than viewers of any other network, according to a recent Knight-Ridder poll. I've found that to be true in real life as well. You sometimes have to start at a slightly lower level with them i.e. "Now, you know that we've found no WMD's in Iraq, right? And that our president has said Hussein had no visible ties to 9/11?" >I've read Ann's books and passed them onto others. I have read them as well, and find her to be about as balanced, thoughtful and impartial as Al Franken. Which is to say they both contain some interesting stuff and have good points to make, but neither author can see beyond their own (radical) stances. This isn't really a criticism, as they are both authors who make money by being funny/radical/extreme. Edited to add - and it looks like we have someone right here on this thread who just may be following in their footsteps. Although I doubt she'll make as much money from posts like that as Franken and Coulter did from their books. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #27 November 6, 2003 So as a white man you feel impotent when affirmitive action takes jobs away from you and gives them to women and minorities. That is your bottom line... a racist line....Based on GOOD OLD BOY politics.. only GOOD OLD BOYS get an education and all others are shut out...oh.. GOOD OLD White girls can go as well ( as long as the get the appropriate MRS. degree).. since they are to remain at home and educate the next generation of GOOD OLD BOYS That is why the south.. once staunchly Democratic(Dixiecratic) has left the ranks of the Democratic Party in droves.. and run to the Republican Party where thier values align and where their call to arms of oh woe is me.. evil affirmative action...... THOSE PEOPLE are taking all of our jobs... but the Right Hand is accommodating... The Party platform of the RIGHT Hand is and has been divissiveness... and quite accommodating to the race baiters... and outright bigots who can't and won't learn new tricks. Do I hate the Right Handers.. nope.. your assertion that the analogies used are hate filled... I surmise your kind are the ones who have been spewing this garbage of true hatred for the last 10 years or so...after a short respite of the last century .....rather than building a better country for ALL AMERICANS the right hand seeks to bring it down so they can get the advantage of power and privilege they are due by their white male birthright. At least that is the perception seen by many americans when the anti affirmative action boys roll into action. Is it always fair.. hell no..is life fair... hell no....will it end someday.. I sure as hell hope so.. when everyone has access to an education IF they are smart enough to use the resources available. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #28 November 6, 2003 For you, Amazon This too. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #29 November 6, 2003 For you good little conservative boys I hadn't heard this one quoted before... figured it aligned so well with your stance on world politic. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #30 November 6, 2003 In a nutshell: either watching Fox makes you ignorant, or ignorant people prefer Fox. I think that's a fair and balanced summary.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #31 November 6, 2003 it would be more accurate to say ignorant people get their opinions from others instead of doing a bit of research and forming them themselves...and the majority of those opinions come from the predigested drivel that is the typical fair of television in general.____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #32 November 6, 2003 Hi Bill!Quote Apparently, exposure to FOX causes you to become less educated - or at least less informed. FOX viewers have more misconceptions about events surrounding the war with Iraq than viewers of any other network, according to a recent Knight-Ridder poll. I've found that to be true in real life as well. You sometimes have to start at a slightly lower level with them i.e. "Now, you know that we've found no WMD's in Iraq, right? And that our president has said Hussein had no visible ties to 9/11?" Hmmm...I'd like to see the Poll #'s myself. That sounds interesting. If substantiated with a large enough sample, it would be a pretty sad thing. Unfortunately given the large level of ignorance on current affairs throughout America - Fox and CNN viewers alike - I think finding an appropriate sampling would be a pretty hard task. Not that the poll results don't merit investigation. But that wasn't the point of my post. I wasn't referring to Fox as the all out source of great news in the US though. My response to Amazon (Jeanne) was in reference to her using the tired old Fox=RightWingNewsInc. argument. My point was that putting the Naive Nine in front of people who care about current events as often as possible would be the absolute thing a RightWing news organization could do to harm the dem presidential hopefuls politically. It was an attempt to humor/sarcasm. Quote I have read them as well, and find her to be about as balanced, thoughtful and impartial as Al Franken. I'll agree with the balanced and impartial part. QuoteWhich is to say they both contain some interesting stuff and have good points to make, but neither author can see beyond their own (radical) stances. This isn't really a criticism, as they are both authors who make money by being funny/radical/extreme. ATTENTION EVERYONE:The reason your feet are cold is because BillVon and I are agreeing on something dealing with Conservative and Liberal pundits. Hell just froze over. QuoteEdited to add - and it looks like we have someone right here on this thread who just may be following in their footsteps. Although I doubt she'll make as much money from posts like that as Franken and Coulter did from their books. This is true. I think she's funny though, but I'm a JACKASS with an odd sense of humor.Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoShitThereIWas 0 #33 November 6, 2003 Jimbo, thanks for the laugh, I needed that and Crapflinger too. All I can say to the Amazon Lady is Chill Out! I happen to be a female liberal like yourself and Vinnie (who happens to be a very good friend of mine) even though a Republican clearly is trying to be non-partisan here. Not only that but he has always shown the utmost respect for women and their independence as far as I can see and does not judge others based on sex or race so why don't you just leave all of that out of it? Merely stating his opinions in a political sense does not constitute him being a snot or whatever it is what you called him and in my feminist, liberal democratic opinion (and hey I liked President Clinton and went to his Inauguration) he happens to be right on! These Forums are a good place to discuss different views but must you do so with such anger, hatred and vehemence?Roy Bacon: "Elvises, light your fires." Sting: "Be yourself no matter what they say." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #34 November 6, 2003 Oh. So now it's good old boy and 'the South' bit. Oh and the white impotent bit too. None work on me. Poverty knows no racial, ethnic, or geographic boundaries, be it monetary or moral poverty. Racism knows no such boundaries either, by the way. I know your AA programs. I know how they work. I know the students they bring in. I know poverty quite well - inner city and rurally. The leftist lies don't work on me. They never will. I see you didn't like my question and failed to answer it. The reason is that you don't want to face the fact that you support racial discrimination and I don't. So you play the ostrich and ignore that, using your insulting rhetoric to build yourself a fantasy-like psychological shield. Kind of like putting blinders on a horse. When you can admit that you support racial discrimination, come and talk to me. As I stated before - I neither judge anyone by their race nor support any program that does either. Ahhhh...feels so good to say that and be telling the truth....but....you wouldn't know. That was so much fun. Let's try another, shall we? You lefties LOVE your stranglehold on inner city voters while you screw them over repeatedly by denying them vouchers to get them out of failing public schools. You do this because the NEA owns your politicians and you KNOW that the failing school will produce a whole new generation of voters dependent on government social programs for survival (most of these vote Democrat). I, TheAnvil, support school vouchers because they are a NOW solution. They simultaneosly take students out of failing schools and place them in other public schools/private schools while reducing the student:teacher ratio in the failing schools. Both the voucher receiving and non-voucher receiving students benefit, though granted the kid that goes to the private school is getting the better deal. Imperfect solution, but better than throwing $$ ad infinitum at a failed one. Here....you didn't bother to cut and paste my last intro for you - for deep rooted psychological reasons I'm sure. But that's OK. Maybe you'll take the challenge this time: I Jeanne, do not support school vouchers. I think throwing money at failing schools will solve the education problem in the inner city because..... I want a NOW solution....what do you want Jeanne? Let's see what insults come my way next. So far I'm a racist good old boy asshole viagra popping jackass who requires FoxNews articles and Ann Coulter books for sexual stimulation. Only the jackass is correct. Please feel free to continue. Maybe Sangiro can sell this somehow.... Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #35 November 6, 2003 Wow, Jeanne. I can't say anything specific, but I'm one of those you so insistently put down. I am a woman, and I suppose I should be in the kitchen. but I am not a good cook (actually, I am, but whatever), and an even worse housekeeper. Plus I can't garden worth a damn. I am good at raising children, though, even though I don't have any. And no man I've ever been with needed Viagra - some needed more time than others, but not viagra. And they weren't reading republican newspapers at the time, either. As for Clinton getting sex, good for him. According to what I know, however, I have serious issues with him on many other levels, including the 6 or so attacks by OBL that he didn't do a whole hellofalot about. And lying under oath is pretty serious to me - I don't really care what he lied about...it's still an indication of morality and integrity. Lastly, Jeanne, your points might make a whole lot more sense if you stopped attacking people, and instead, addressed the issues. Sometimes, you sound like the people you claim to be racist and whatnot, you know? Relax, look at the issues, and see what you can do with them, and not rail against the particular poster, who happens to be a damned fine cook himself (Vinny, I mean.). Plus, he's really an interesting guy, and makes some interesting points, even if one doesn't agree with them. I just wish you'd stop attacking on a personal level and maintain some decorum, you know? It's getting hard to read, and decipher your views. But for the record, I can't wait to jump with you when we finally meet! Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #36 November 6, 2003 QuoteLet's see what insults come my way next. So far I'm a racist good old boy asshole viagra popping jackass who requires FoxNews articles and Ann Coulter books for sexual stimulation. Only the jackass is correct. Please feel free to continue. Maybe Sangiro can sell this somehow.... I am SHOCKED.. just SHOCKED that you took so much of my perceptions of the RIGHT HAND to heart Vinny.. Please oh please dont tell me you read Ann Coulters"works" in bed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarkF 0 #37 November 6, 2003 QuoteHmmm...I'd like to see the Poll #'s myself. http://www.pipa.org/OnlineReports/Iraq/Media_10_02_03_Report.pdf Took all of two minutes using a simple google search. Ooroo Mark F... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiverRick 0 #38 November 6, 2003 QuoteFace it all you conservative wanker yankers Most of you Clinton haters in the conservative ranks hate him for one reason.. He got sex...something I think REALLY annoys people like you and Bush on the far right HAND.. since most women wont put up with your conservative crap... and there just are not enough Phyllis Schlaflies around to keep all of you viagra sucking jackasses hard. You guys need to read at least 3 FOX News articles in each others presence just to get an erection for the week. Bottom line.. you bemoan the "good old days". Do us all a favor and go stick a few more pages together in Ann Coulters book when your viagra kicks in . You guys on the far right HAND need more outlets. You should write for a living. never pull low......unless you are Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #39 November 6, 2003 Not to worry Michele I am just having a bit of a go at all the CONSERVATIVE CRAP I see spewn across my monitor on a daily basis.. QuoteI am a woman, and I suppose I should be in the kitchen. but I am not a good cook (actually, I am, but whatever), and an even worse housekeeper. Plus I can't garden worth a damn. I am good at raising children, though, even though I don't have any. And no man I've ever been with needed Viagra - some needed more time than others, but not viagra If a woman aspires to be a housewife and mother that should be her choice and the needs of her family and thier situation. In todays world though it's nearly impossible for a single income family to make it and be comfortable if she does... just the reality of MOST families in America. But increasingly men on the RIGHT HAND seem to harrass ANY woman who would seek any more out of life. As far as your luck with guys... so far....Hey give em a few more years. You are still young and they probably are too.. seems they have less "energy" when they get older. I have my suspicions hence my reference to the FOX news articles... its more of a reference to a circle jerk... just waiting for any little tidbit to give them a little kick in thier lives and since so many of them idolize Ann Coulter.. I can only picture them "killing kittens" while reading her books, fawning over her every seductive phrase while describing Bill CLinton for them. I have actually done the nurturing role.. and did it well enough at the time. Funny how promises are not really meant to be kept, ses la vie. I am a hell of a cook.. as well as being exceptional on the procurement end of the spectrum as well. I don’t let the boys have all the fun when hunting season or fishing season rolls around.. .. so not only can I cook it.. I can catch it and clean it too. Oh.. I should post some pictures of my HUGE garden for you.. I had plenty of extra to give to others .. all grown organically mind you. I myself would only go kicking and screaming and SHOOTING if anyone tried dragging me back into the kitchen or the bedroom if I didn't want to be there. I have my perceptions of the RIGHT HAND... since unlike most right wing skydivers who I at least HOPE can fly.. most of their ground based brethren... don’t have wings and can't.. just their RIGHT HAND.. and since so many of them have pent up issues it finally came to me why.... no sex.... frustrated men are very very sad things. We constantly have to listen about immoral Democrats...Clinton this Clinton that.. Kennedy this.. Kennedy that( the righties begrudge them having sex...guess they ARE getting sex after all and .) Evil Democrats this Godless Democrats that. Now we come to political operatives doing what they do.. coming up with dirt on the opposing party.. DUH.. like the Republicans don't...Watergate... The boys downstairs in the Whitehouse running an "illegal war or two" in the 80's As far as Good Ole Boy Clinton lying....I grew up in the south.. I know his kind well.. in his mind.. he did not have sexual relations with that woman....the good ole boys don’t consider a blow job ... sex. So in his mind I am sure he really believed he did not have sex with that woman. I grew up with plenty of good ole boy righties like that. You know what.. compared to sending off hundreds of thousands of our young people into harms way.. based on a personal family vendetta.... it kinda pales in comparison. This "president" has lied... over and over to the American people... perhaps its possibly unknowingly.. because his handlers have not given him the full story.. or at least the WHOLE story. What’s worse a liar or someone too stupid to get ALL the facts before he takes our nation to war, ruins our credibility in the world...and gets hundreds of our kids killed in a personal vendetta because.... THAT MAN TRIED TO KILL MY DADDY... sheesh. Is it any different when the same handlers were handling Ronnie... Plausible deniability.. by rogue operatives who supported an "illegal war" by dealing with dope peddling dictators to raise funds to sell arms.. the drugs then made it on to our streets brought in by people in our own government ...to then help the very people we are now trying to fight?? I guess our "freedom fighters" were terrorists after all. OBL is one of those Conservative kinds of guys... wants women in their places.. under burkas....Those people closely resemble our own fundamentalists... ultra conservative... not very different.. just their methods... but the results are similar setting back the clock into a time most of us would prefer as just a footnote to a horrible past. Perceptions are everything.. the world right now perceives us to be that last Imperial Power... blindly lashing out at people we do not like. Stay the course... I have heard that over and over. the last few days.....we did that before.. for a few years 1954 when we started helping the S Vietnamese till it heated up in the sixties.. till the late 1960's when enough people got tired of receiving their loved ones home in body bags and silver coffins... I remember that time all too well VIVIDLY. I hope to god we do a better job of supporting our young men and women who these people have put in harms way...this time. But blindly going along with a course set by this administration... who lied to us all is lunacy. Its time for a REAL policy.. do what is necessary to get Iraq set up as a free and democratic nation... get the people responsible for fighting that. Turn them over to the people that have been oppressed and the families of the dissappeared for the last 30 years. Actually I found Vinny a decent guy when I jumped with him at Byron hell I even liked him.. a bit short.. but hey most guys come up kinda short when standing next to me. ( Tall Guy excluded) But that said.. the whiny posts continue from both sides but the whinyest seem to stem from the RightHand.. and are exceedingly annoying... its like MOMMY... Johnny is pulling my hair... MOMMY... Robert is pinching me...sounds like a bunch of whiny brats to me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #40 November 6, 2003 Goodnight, Jeanne. I'm going to try to read your post again in the morning. I am so tired tonight...I got lost somewhere in there. Sleep well! Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #41 November 6, 2003 Sleep the sleep of the contented Michele... take care of yourself. You have a LOT of living to do Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydyvr 0 #42 November 6, 2003 QuoteLet's see what insults come my way next. I'm betting you'll be labeled a Nazi before long. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #43 November 6, 2003 Nah I usually reserve that for John Ashcrofts thought police. You really should go look at some of the paralells of the formation of the gestapo.... and some of the wonderful things happening today. I have actually met Vinny..He is misguided but not a fascist. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkydiverRick 0 #44 November 6, 2003 QuoteNot to worry Michele I am just having a bit of a go at all the CONSERVATIVE CRAP I see spewn across my monitor on a daily basis.. QuoteI am a woman, and I suppose I should be in the kitchen. but I am not a good cook (actually, I am, but whatever), and an even worse housekeeper. Plus I can't garden worth a damn. I am good at raising children, though, even though I don't have any. And no man I've ever been with needed Viagra - some needed more time than others, but not viagra If a woman aspires to be a housewife and mother that should be her choice and the needs of her family and thier situation. In todays world though it's nearly impossible for a single income family to make it and be comfortable if she does... just the reality of MOST families in America. But increasingly men on the RIGHT HAND seem to harrass ANY woman who would seek any more out of life. As far as your luck with guys... so far....Hey give em a few more years. You are still young and they probably are too.. seems they have less "energy" when they get older. I have my suspicions hence my reference to the FOX news articles... its more of a reference to a circle jerk... just waiting for any little tidbit to give them a little kick in thier lives and since so many of them idolize Ann Coulter.. I can only picture them "killing kittens" while reading her books, fawning over her every seductive phrase while describing Bill CLinton for them. I have actually done the nurturing role.. and did it well enough at the time. Funny how promises are not really meant to be kept, ses la vie. I am a hell of a cook.. as well as being exceptional on the procurement end of the spectrum as well. I don’t let the boys have all the fun when hunting season or fishing season rolls around.. .. so not only can I cook it.. I can catch it and clean it too. Oh.. I should post some pictures of my HUGE garden for you.. I had plenty of extra to give to others .. all grown organically mind you. I myself would only go kicking and screaming and SHOOTING if anyone tried dragging me back into the kitchen or the bedroom if I didn't want to be there. I have my perceptions of the RIGHT HAND... since unlike most right wing skydivers who I at least HOPE can fly.. most of their ground based brethren... don’t have wings and can't.. just their RIGHT HAND.. and since so many of them have pent up issues it finally came to me why.... no sex.... frustrated men are very very sad things. We constantly have to listen about immoral Democrats...Clinton this Clinton that.. Kennedy this.. Kennedy that( the righties begrudge them having sex...guess they ARE getting sex after all and .) Evil Democrats this Godless Democrats that. Now we come to political operatives doing what they do.. coming up with dirt on the opposing party.. DUH.. like the Republicans don't...Watergate... The boys downstairs in the Whitehouse running an "illegal war or two" in the 80's As far as Good Ole Boy Clinton lying....I grew up in the south.. I know his kind well.. in his mind.. he did not have sexual relations with that woman....the good ole boys don’t consider a blow job ... sex. So in his mind I am sure he really believed he did not have sex with that woman. I grew up with plenty of good ole boy righties like that. You know what.. compared to sending off hundreds of thousands of our young people into harms way.. based on a personal family vendetta.... it kinda pales in comparison. This "president" has lied... over and over to the American people... perhaps its possibly unknowingly.. because his handlers have not given him the full story.. or at least the WHOLE story. What’s worse a liar or someone too stupid to get ALL the facts before he takes our nation to war, ruins our credibility in the world...and gets hundreds of our kids killed in a personal vendetta because.... THAT MAN TRIED TO KILL MY DADDY... sheesh. Is it any different when the same handlers were handling Ronnie... Plausible deniability.. by rogue operatives who supported an "illegal war" by dealing with dope peddling dictators to raise funds to sell arms.. the drugs then made it on to our streets brought in by people in our own government ...to then help the very people we are now trying to fight?? I guess our "freedom fighters" were terrorists after all. OBL is one of those Conservative kinds of guys... wants women in their places.. under burkas....Those people closely resemble our own fundamentalists... ultra conservative... not very different.. just their methods... but the results are similar setting back the clock into a time most of us would prefer as just a footnote to a horrible past. Perceptions are everything.. the world right now perceives us to be that last Imperial Power... blindly lashing out at people we do not like. Stay the course... I have heard that over and over. the last few days.....we did that before.. for a few years 1954 when we started helping the S Vietnamese till it heated up in the sixties.. till the late 1960's when enough people got tired of receiving their loved ones home in body bags and silver coffins... I remember that time all too well VIVIDLY. I hope to god we do a better job of supporting our young men and women who these people have put in harms way...this time. But blindly going along with a course set by this administration... who lied to us all is lunacy. Its time for a REAL policy.. do what is necessary to get Iraq set up as a free and democratic nation... get the people responsible for fighting that. Turn them over to the people that have been oppressed and the families of the dissappeared for the last 30 years. Actually I found Vinny a decent guy when I jumped with him at Byron hell I even liked him.. a bit short.. but hey most guys come up kinda short when standing next to me. ( Tall Guy excluded) But that said.. the whiny posts continue from both sides but the whinyest seem to stem from the RightHand.. and are exceedingly annoying... its like MOMMY... Johnny is pulling my hair... MOMMY... Robert is pinching me...sounds like a bunch of whiny brats to me. Liberals are too emotional. never pull low......unless you are Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jfields 0 #45 November 6, 2003 QuoteThat was so much fun. Let's try another, shall we? You lefties LOVE your stranglehold on inner city voters while you screw them over repeatedly by denying them vouchers to get them out of failing public schools. You do this because the NEA owns your politicians and you KNOW that the failing school will produce a whole new generation of voters dependent on government social programs for survival (most of these vote Democrat). I thought we struggled to get social programs into inner city schools because the RIGHTIES have guaranteed a flood of weapons into the inner city, promoting such a culture of violence and fear that survival has replaced education as the focus of the students and teachers alike. Top that off with RIGHTIE-sponsored tax cuts for the rich, neglect for anyone making under 6 figures, and you add a healthy dose of hopelessness to everyone didn't come from the good-old-boy network. As for the NEA "owning" our policitians, doubtful, but even so, yeah, education is a terrible thing to support. At least the centrist and left can spell NEA. Funny how the RIGHTIES think supporting our children means switching an R for an E and supporting the NRA to get guns into the hands of schoolchildren so they can kill each other and solve school overcrowding. << pokes at Vinny >> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #46 November 6, 2003 QuoteI'm betting you'll be labeled a Nazi before long. I am not defending anybody, just thought you would like to get your terminology straight. Brown shirts have traditionally been associated with fascists not nazis. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #47 November 6, 2003 QuotePoverty knows no racial, ethnic, or geographic boundaries, be it monetary or moral poverty. Then how do you explain this: http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hus/tables/2002/02hus002.pdf Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ChasingBlueSky 0 #48 November 6, 2003 I noticed in the article it says "they do not know who wrote the letter" Don't suppose it could have been written by a GOP member to take any steam out of an independent commision? Nah, that would be too much of a conspiracy, right? Nothing like that could happen in Washington, could it? This article is just as inflamatory and without any real source, just like that supposed real letter they found. Very irresponsible journalism. Hell, A FoxNews member could have even wrote the memo to help create a story.....but a station with a republican agenda wouldn't do such a thing, would then???? I'm surprised they didn't declare they found WMD, again, at the end of the story. Trace the memo, do more research and then come back to me with something a bit more real. Until then, this memo is not real news._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #49 November 6, 2003 QuoteI'm surprised they didn't declare they found WMD, again, at the end of the story. You mean to tell me there are no WMDs in Iraq? But, but, but Bush said he knew for sure they had them. Remember he told us how the UN wasn't finding them fast enough and how it was a direct threat to every one and how he had to go in and save the world? And then Fox News said that they had found them. It said it right there on the screen!!!!! On top of that, God told Bush he had to go and do something. We all know we can't argue with the voice of God speaking to us in our heads. You mean Bush might have actually lied to the US population? Thank God he didn't get a blow job though, now that would have been a real problem Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NoShitThereIWas 0 #50 November 6, 2003 Amazon, There is a lot of credence to what you are saying and you do have some very good points. I am glad to see you put your opinions into a format where you aren't outwardly attacking individuals or calling them names. It makes what you are saying much easier to read and hold much more weight. I can relate to your feelings about "the type" of man you are speaking of with that good ole boy mentality, women should be in the kitchen yada yada yada, conservative Republican BS like education for the rich only, who gives a damn about the environment let's just drill up all of Alaska and turn ourselves into the ends justify the means for our own personal greed no matter the cost to other individuals, their families and the planet. No President or politician is free from guilt or lies. In my eyes being a politician and being a liar go hand in hand. Some are just worse than others. I think it is important to look at the intent behind their actions. Unfortunately we all have our own agendas just like politicians and politicians are also people and people make mistakes. How a person carries themselves after making a mistake is what spells it out for me. Also some mistakes are worse than others and the intent behind their mistakes also matters. For instance, Pres. Clinton lied under oath about his relationship with Monica Willinsky. He made a mistake to have an affair on his wife. OK, but did that really affect his working capabilities as President of the US? I don't agree with what Clinton did, but I also disagree with the notion that every American needs to have first hand information about what the President does sexually in his oval office. It is nice Amazon, to see that you are a strong voice for women and Democracy. Just remember that not all men are like that and Vinnie for one surely isn't Roy Bacon: "Elvises, light your fires." Sting: "Be yourself no matter what they say." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 Next Page 2 of 4 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
skydyvr 0 #42 November 6, 2003 QuoteLet's see what insults come my way next. I'm betting you'll be labeled a Nazi before long. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #43 November 6, 2003 Nah I usually reserve that for John Ashcrofts thought police. You really should go look at some of the paralells of the formation of the gestapo.... and some of the wonderful things happening today. I have actually met Vinny..He is misguided but not a fascist. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiverRick 0 #44 November 6, 2003 QuoteNot to worry Michele I am just having a bit of a go at all the CONSERVATIVE CRAP I see spewn across my monitor on a daily basis.. QuoteI am a woman, and I suppose I should be in the kitchen. but I am not a good cook (actually, I am, but whatever), and an even worse housekeeper. Plus I can't garden worth a damn. I am good at raising children, though, even though I don't have any. And no man I've ever been with needed Viagra - some needed more time than others, but not viagra If a woman aspires to be a housewife and mother that should be her choice and the needs of her family and thier situation. In todays world though it's nearly impossible for a single income family to make it and be comfortable if she does... just the reality of MOST families in America. But increasingly men on the RIGHT HAND seem to harrass ANY woman who would seek any more out of life. As far as your luck with guys... so far....Hey give em a few more years. You are still young and they probably are too.. seems they have less "energy" when they get older. I have my suspicions hence my reference to the FOX news articles... its more of a reference to a circle jerk... just waiting for any little tidbit to give them a little kick in thier lives and since so many of them idolize Ann Coulter.. I can only picture them "killing kittens" while reading her books, fawning over her every seductive phrase while describing Bill CLinton for them. I have actually done the nurturing role.. and did it well enough at the time. Funny how promises are not really meant to be kept, ses la vie. I am a hell of a cook.. as well as being exceptional on the procurement end of the spectrum as well. I don’t let the boys have all the fun when hunting season or fishing season rolls around.. .. so not only can I cook it.. I can catch it and clean it too. Oh.. I should post some pictures of my HUGE garden for you.. I had plenty of extra to give to others .. all grown organically mind you. I myself would only go kicking and screaming and SHOOTING if anyone tried dragging me back into the kitchen or the bedroom if I didn't want to be there. I have my perceptions of the RIGHT HAND... since unlike most right wing skydivers who I at least HOPE can fly.. most of their ground based brethren... don’t have wings and can't.. just their RIGHT HAND.. and since so many of them have pent up issues it finally came to me why.... no sex.... frustrated men are very very sad things. We constantly have to listen about immoral Democrats...Clinton this Clinton that.. Kennedy this.. Kennedy that( the righties begrudge them having sex...guess they ARE getting sex after all and .) Evil Democrats this Godless Democrats that. Now we come to political operatives doing what they do.. coming up with dirt on the opposing party.. DUH.. like the Republicans don't...Watergate... The boys downstairs in the Whitehouse running an "illegal war or two" in the 80's As far as Good Ole Boy Clinton lying....I grew up in the south.. I know his kind well.. in his mind.. he did not have sexual relations with that woman....the good ole boys don’t consider a blow job ... sex. So in his mind I am sure he really believed he did not have sex with that woman. I grew up with plenty of good ole boy righties like that. You know what.. compared to sending off hundreds of thousands of our young people into harms way.. based on a personal family vendetta.... it kinda pales in comparison. This "president" has lied... over and over to the American people... perhaps its possibly unknowingly.. because his handlers have not given him the full story.. or at least the WHOLE story. What’s worse a liar or someone too stupid to get ALL the facts before he takes our nation to war, ruins our credibility in the world...and gets hundreds of our kids killed in a personal vendetta because.... THAT MAN TRIED TO KILL MY DADDY... sheesh. Is it any different when the same handlers were handling Ronnie... Plausible deniability.. by rogue operatives who supported an "illegal war" by dealing with dope peddling dictators to raise funds to sell arms.. the drugs then made it on to our streets brought in by people in our own government ...to then help the very people we are now trying to fight?? I guess our "freedom fighters" were terrorists after all. OBL is one of those Conservative kinds of guys... wants women in their places.. under burkas....Those people closely resemble our own fundamentalists... ultra conservative... not very different.. just their methods... but the results are similar setting back the clock into a time most of us would prefer as just a footnote to a horrible past. Perceptions are everything.. the world right now perceives us to be that last Imperial Power... blindly lashing out at people we do not like. Stay the course... I have heard that over and over. the last few days.....we did that before.. for a few years 1954 when we started helping the S Vietnamese till it heated up in the sixties.. till the late 1960's when enough people got tired of receiving their loved ones home in body bags and silver coffins... I remember that time all too well VIVIDLY. I hope to god we do a better job of supporting our young men and women who these people have put in harms way...this time. But blindly going along with a course set by this administration... who lied to us all is lunacy. Its time for a REAL policy.. do what is necessary to get Iraq set up as a free and democratic nation... get the people responsible for fighting that. Turn them over to the people that have been oppressed and the families of the dissappeared for the last 30 years. Actually I found Vinny a decent guy when I jumped with him at Byron hell I even liked him.. a bit short.. but hey most guys come up kinda short when standing next to me. ( Tall Guy excluded) But that said.. the whiny posts continue from both sides but the whinyest seem to stem from the RightHand.. and are exceedingly annoying... its like MOMMY... Johnny is pulling my hair... MOMMY... Robert is pinching me...sounds like a bunch of whiny brats to me. Liberals are too emotional. never pull low......unless you are Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jfields 0 #45 November 6, 2003 QuoteThat was so much fun. Let's try another, shall we? You lefties LOVE your stranglehold on inner city voters while you screw them over repeatedly by denying them vouchers to get them out of failing public schools. You do this because the NEA owns your politicians and you KNOW that the failing school will produce a whole new generation of voters dependent on government social programs for survival (most of these vote Democrat). I thought we struggled to get social programs into inner city schools because the RIGHTIES have guaranteed a flood of weapons into the inner city, promoting such a culture of violence and fear that survival has replaced education as the focus of the students and teachers alike. Top that off with RIGHTIE-sponsored tax cuts for the rich, neglect for anyone making under 6 figures, and you add a healthy dose of hopelessness to everyone didn't come from the good-old-boy network. As for the NEA "owning" our policitians, doubtful, but even so, yeah, education is a terrible thing to support. At least the centrist and left can spell NEA. Funny how the RIGHTIES think supporting our children means switching an R for an E and supporting the NRA to get guns into the hands of schoolchildren so they can kill each other and solve school overcrowding. << pokes at Vinny >> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #46 November 6, 2003 QuoteI'm betting you'll be labeled a Nazi before long. I am not defending anybody, just thought you would like to get your terminology straight. Brown shirts have traditionally been associated with fascists not nazis. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #47 November 6, 2003 QuotePoverty knows no racial, ethnic, or geographic boundaries, be it monetary or moral poverty. Then how do you explain this: http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hus/tables/2002/02hus002.pdf Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #48 November 6, 2003 I noticed in the article it says "they do not know who wrote the letter" Don't suppose it could have been written by a GOP member to take any steam out of an independent commision? Nah, that would be too much of a conspiracy, right? Nothing like that could happen in Washington, could it? This article is just as inflamatory and without any real source, just like that supposed real letter they found. Very irresponsible journalism. Hell, A FoxNews member could have even wrote the memo to help create a story.....but a station with a republican agenda wouldn't do such a thing, would then???? I'm surprised they didn't declare they found WMD, again, at the end of the story. Trace the memo, do more research and then come back to me with something a bit more real. Until then, this memo is not real news._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #49 November 6, 2003 QuoteI'm surprised they didn't declare they found WMD, again, at the end of the story. You mean to tell me there are no WMDs in Iraq? But, but, but Bush said he knew for sure they had them. Remember he told us how the UN wasn't finding them fast enough and how it was a direct threat to every one and how he had to go in and save the world? And then Fox News said that they had found them. It said it right there on the screen!!!!! On top of that, God told Bush he had to go and do something. We all know we can't argue with the voice of God speaking to us in our heads. You mean Bush might have actually lied to the US population? Thank God he didn't get a blow job though, now that would have been a real problem Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoShitThereIWas 0 #50 November 6, 2003 Amazon, There is a lot of credence to what you are saying and you do have some very good points. I am glad to see you put your opinions into a format where you aren't outwardly attacking individuals or calling them names. It makes what you are saying much easier to read and hold much more weight. I can relate to your feelings about "the type" of man you are speaking of with that good ole boy mentality, women should be in the kitchen yada yada yada, conservative Republican BS like education for the rich only, who gives a damn about the environment let's just drill up all of Alaska and turn ourselves into the ends justify the means for our own personal greed no matter the cost to other individuals, their families and the planet. No President or politician is free from guilt or lies. In my eyes being a politician and being a liar go hand in hand. Some are just worse than others. I think it is important to look at the intent behind their actions. Unfortunately we all have our own agendas just like politicians and politicians are also people and people make mistakes. How a person carries themselves after making a mistake is what spells it out for me. Also some mistakes are worse than others and the intent behind their mistakes also matters. For instance, Pres. Clinton lied under oath about his relationship with Monica Willinsky. He made a mistake to have an affair on his wife. OK, but did that really affect his working capabilities as President of the US? I don't agree with what Clinton did, but I also disagree with the notion that every American needs to have first hand information about what the President does sexually in his oval office. It is nice Amazon, to see that you are a strong voice for women and Democracy. Just remember that not all men are like that and Vinnie for one surely isn't Roy Bacon: "Elvises, light your fires." Sting: "Be yourself no matter what they say." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
