TheAnvil 0 #1 November 5, 2003 http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,102206,00.html This should sicken every American, regardless of party. This is the one committee that HAS to be both honest and bipartisan in every sense of both words. I am 100% positive that my own conservative brethren have probably done something equivalent to this in the past - can't say when; I'm just sure that it's been done on my side of the house as well. However, this is flat plain wrong, regardless of the source or its true intent. Every Democrat on that committee is now suspect of not giving 100% effort to doing their job in the current investigation. Every single one. Their clearances should be pulled and they should be replaced on the committee if not completely exonerated. Period. There is NO room for this crap in this area of government - ever. And for the record, the guy that released Mrs. Wilson nee Plame's name as a CIA operative should have his/her clearance pulled as well. The Democratic contingent from that committee owes us all an apology for conspiring to waste taxpayer dollars in pursuit of partisan gains. They should throw up the potential cost of this politically motivated independent investigation the next time 'deficit spending' comes up. This is an intelligence investigation and therefore the investigators must have clearances - that costs BIG $$. In short (and that must be damned short coming from my short and stocky little ass) - I'm disgusted.Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #2 November 5, 2003 It is indeed sickening that politicians should do anything for political reasons. Does the word "Whitewater" ring a bell? Cost $50M for that investigation.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #3 November 5, 2003 And please enlighten us as to just who initiated the investigation, my dear Kallend.Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
prepheckt 0 #4 November 5, 2003 QuoteTheir clearances should be pulled You can't do that, by virtue of their being elected to Congress, they are automatically given security clearances, you'd have to kick them out of office to have them revoked."Dancing Argentine Tango is like doing calculus with your feet." -9 toes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ripper0289 0 #5 November 5, 2003 Don't pull their clearances, put them on trial for treason. Bastards. The democratic party is so bereft of any good ideas that they have to pull this kind of BS. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lewmonst 0 #6 November 5, 2003 fox news... ha ha, that's funny. lewhttp://www.exitshot.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #7 November 5, 2003 From the very article you cited; Quote"The draft memo was not approved nor was it shared with any member of the Senate Intelligence Committee or anyone else. Having said that, the memo clearly reflects staff frustration with the conduct of the Senate Intelligence Committee investigation and the difficulties of obtaining information from the administration." In other words, it was like somebody wrote a note saying what they could do, not are doing and FoxNews has simply blown it out of proportion. As for who started the concept of "politicizing intelligence" I think perhaps you have to look at the Administration to begin with in its misleading the people of the United States in trying to gain support for the Iraq situation and the further intimidation and treasonous act of of revealing an under cover CIA agent. I believe THIS is why the Senate Intelligence Committee is so frustrated to begin with or didn't you read that in the article?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #8 November 5, 2003 I read both the article and your post. You should do the same. Let me expound a bit. The Senate Intelligence Committee is very unique in a couple of respects - #1) its members DO have higher clearances than other senators, though prephekt is correct to a certain extent. #2) due to the gravity of the responsibilities intrinsic to its chartered purpose, there is no room for partisan bullshit therein. That's why you don't often see its members spouting partisan rhetoric when discussing committee-type business. I can't really recall the last one I saw do such a thing to be honest - if ever. For this memo to have even been a draft is disgusting, because it shows that the tactic has been contemplated seriously. If it hasn't been contemplated - why the draft? Why the clear intent in the draft? Party strategy of that magnitude is not low-level staffer stuff, like it or not. It is both unethical and possibly criminal. Deliberately conspiring to do a half-assed job on your current project so you can demand an independent repeat of your work later? Give me a break. This is sickening. With regards to Mrs. Wilson nee Plame, READ MY POST. With regards to the Administration's use of intelligence, well - half of the investigating committee is now suspect of not really giving a damn about doing their jobs. For partisan purposes. Deliberately. In addition, neither you, I, nor the Dalai Lama know all the intel the President used to justify his decisions. That's part of the reason the senate oversight committee exists - and you didn't hear them screaming bloody murder before the war started, did you?Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #9 November 5, 2003 You know something, I'm frankly unsure whether "FOX NEWS" or "SENATE INTELLIGENCE" is the bigger contradiction in terms. Shouldn't both parties just get back to doing what they do best. In the case of Fox News, they should just get back to being the butt of half the jokes in The Simpsons. In the case of the Senate, haven't they got some factfinding mission to organise? Somewhere warm and sunny at this time of year? Somewhere with easily impressed & compliant native girls?... Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #10 November 5, 2003 Well Vinny I guess its just time to ban the Democratic Party .. and get down to governing by decree from the leader. That is what all the Conservatives long for.. no dissent.. dictatorship of the pulpit...Women back in the kitchen and bedrooms where they think they belong...You conservative assholes sound more and more like the Osama Bin Laden crowd actually. They are VERY conservative.. they want a return to the good old days of the 7th century when ISLAM was in its ascendancy. Get a Friggen CLUE..... life is complicated... life changed from your idyllic wet dream of the fifties..that most of you have only read about... AS if you are going to get politicians to not play politics..isnt it about time to start actually ACTING like Americans rather than ONLY THE HOLY conservatives and LEFTY EVIL COMMIES as you seem to put everything. All you end up doing with these whiney little threads where you cant have everything your way is sound like a snot nosed little brat. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #11 November 5, 2003 Quote That's part of the reason the senate oversight committee exists - and you didn't hear them screaming bloody murder before the war started, did you? I actually believe that some members of the Senate Intelligence Committee -did- voice their concerns and were ignored by the Administration. Here is but one example; http://feinstein.senate.gov/Releases02/r-iraq.htmquade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tinfoil 0 #12 November 5, 2003 Its already been said, but oh well. Fox news is well known to be right wing, something that could easily influence their political coverage. Find another source. “- - Sumo is the greatest of sports. It has power, grace, speed and cluture. And most importantly, two fat bastards smacking the shit out of each other. ” Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FliegendeWolf 0 #13 November 5, 2003 Well, what sickens me is the ease with which the administration misled (read: LIED TO) the public about the reasons for going to war as well as the scale of the post-war efforts. Perhaps there wouldn't need to be a senate intelligence committee hearing about this at all had the president been up front about the facts. And if you are peeved about taxpayer dollars, there's still the matter of a certain $87 billion that [I]I'm[/I] not pleased about.A One that Isn't Cold is Scarcely a One at All Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #14 November 5, 2003 QuoteWell Vinny I guess its just time to ban the Democratic Party .. and get down to governing by decree from the leader. The democratic party is doing a fine job of banning itself -- no need for intercession from the right. QuoteThat is what all the Conservatives long for.. no dissent.. dictatorship of the pulpit...Women back in the kitchen and bedrooms where they think they belong...You conservative assholes sound more and more like the Osama Bin Laden crowd actually . . . Spoken like a true centrist. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jfields 0 #15 November 5, 2003 Quotethere's still the matter of a certain $87 billion that I'm not pleased about. [sarcasm] But think about how much of that is going to trickle back through the economy! The big corporations providing services will get a huge amount of that, as will the defense contractors. The CEOs will snare multi-million dollar bonuses for the company's performance, leaving only a pittance to the shareholders. The CEOs will spend lots of money on their mistresses and maids, which will help the economy when they go buy jewelry and such. And think of how much Kimberly Clarke stock will go up with all the Kleenex the families of the soldiers are buying! Come on, man, this war is great for the economy! Can't you see that wars are good for the rich, and when the rich are happy, they make sure some scraps get passed on to the little people also, making their sad lives a little brighter? [/sarcasm] I'm with you, FliegendeWolf. It is messed up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #16 November 5, 2003 Quotethe rich, and when the rich are happy, they make sure some scraps get passed on to the little people also naaa... we dont care about the little people.....Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jfields 0 #17 November 5, 2003 Quotenaaa... we dont care about the little people..... Where it counts, Remster, you are the little people. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,114 #18 November 5, 2003 >Fox news is well known to be right wing, something that could easily >influence their political coverage. Find another source. It's also the news source that give people the most misconceptions about the news. From Philly.com : WASHINGTON - A majority of Americans have held at least one of three mistaken impressions about the U.S.-led war in Iraq, according to a new study released Thursday, and those misperceptions contributed to much of the popular support for the war. The three common mistaken impressions are that: -U.S. forces found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. -There's clear evidence that Iraqi President Saddam Hussein worked closely with the Sept. 11 terrorists. -People in foreign countries generally either backed the U.S.-led war or were evenly split between supporting and opposing it. . . . The analysis released Thursday also correlated the misperceptions with the primary news source of the mistaken respondents. For example, 80 percent of those who said they relied on Fox News and 71 percent of those who said they relied on CBS believed at least one of the three misperceptions. The comparable figures were 47 percent for those who said they relied most on newspapers and magazines and 23 percent for those who said they relied on PBS or National Public Radio. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crapflinger2000 1 #19 November 5, 2003 Everyone should go pick up the latest issue of the New Yorker. Very good article about just how fucked up the administration was concerning intel prior to the war. At many levels, the bush admin bypassed long proven, tried and true intel confirmation techniques. Many people made sure the raw intel was flowing to them directly, prior to any vetting and bullshit filtering. They made sure they got the intel they wanted essentially, regardless of veracity. The whole "Yellowcake" scam is an example. Does this speak to the memo in the article? No. But frankly, I am far more concerned with how this administration is playing amateur-hour with our military, our intel, and our reputation. I think the admin needs to be embarassed. Because they are embarassing. I think that is far more important than what the Senate Intel Committee is up to. __________________________________________________ What would Vic Mackey do? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crapflinger2000 1 #20 November 5, 2003 Hey!!! Not that he needs me to defend him, but if you knew Anvil you would not be posting such tish-tosh. While he is a conservative baby-killer on the surface, his points are always well thought out and rationale. If you would read his post you would see that he makes the point that conservatives have probably done similar crap before, and he is not applying a double-standard. Frankly, while I disagree over the severity of what the committee has done, I do agree that the committee should be above such crap. I do not think that such a thing is a "fifties wet-dream." You have some anger issues I think. Where in his post did he say anything about "women back in the kitchen"? Not that that would be a bad thing. I kinda wish he had said that... "Women, back to cave! Go make me a turkey pot pie, biotch!" __________________________________________________ What would Vic Mackey do? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #21 November 5, 2003 So much hatred here. I don't want to post-whore so I'll answer several people at once. The smartest first, the rest in no particular order. Crapflinger. Thanks dude. I take back all the comments Sebazz has made about you in the past. And I apoligize for farting on the plane too.....er....OK that last one was a lie. I'm not sorry. I'm going to do it again and try and blame it on you. But thanks anyway. You also nailed it dude. Now that a lot of info is coming out about botched intel handling, the yellowcake scandal (though the Brits still stand by their claim) in particular, and other amateur intel moves, a lot of us conservatives are asking WTFO? about a lot of things. Unfortunately the shrill rhetoric and non-sensical arguments/attacks emanating from the left are both drowning them out and shifting the conservative focus to defending the President because the alternative candidates from the other side are so unpalatable. I could write a book on this, but Zell Miller already has. I think I read an excerpt from that New Yorker article somewhere - now that you've mentioned it I'm going to Borders to read it. Jeanne, you disappoint me. First of all, I am a JACKASS. That's JACKASS. Not an asshole. Get it right. I would never want a single party system in the US, though the Dem's are certainly doing their best to both weaken the nation via racial stratification, maintaining failed programs, dumbing down our educational standards, and etc. I used to BE a democrat as a matter of fact. Republicans do not want women back in the kitchen and bedrooms like hundreds of years ago. That's a stereotype that just doesn't work with us. Democratic base - yes. Anyone else - no. Condi Rice doesn't belong there. Nor do Ann Veneman, Elaine Chao, Linda Lingle, Judy Martz, Sue Collins, Kay Hutchinson, Lisa Murkowski, Susan M. Livingston, or many many other female republicans in or out of public office. I'm sure there are more Republican women in office around the nation - those are just the ones I know off the top of my head. Quade - Mr. Leahy had to resign from the intel committee for leaking classified information. Ms. Feinstein's comments - she is a member - before the war were in the context of the Legislative-Executive Branch squabble type thing. Slamming the intel used is easy in hindsight. Prior to the execution of the war - we didn't see that from these members. I am sorry if I forgot to respond to anyone. I'm sure BillVon made some interesting post I'll have to read later because I have to do something now.Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #22 November 5, 2003 Face it all you conservative wanker yankers Most of you Clinton haters in the conservative ranks hate him for one reason.. He got sex...something I think REALLY annoys people like you and Bush on the far right HAND.. since most women wont put up with your conservative crap... and there just are not enough Phyllis Schlaflies around to keep all of you viagra sucking jackasses hard. You guys need to read at least 3 FOX News articles in each others presence just to get an erection for the week. Bottom line.. you bemoan the "good old days". Do us all a favor and go stick a few more pages together in Ann Coulters book when your viagra kicks in . You guys on the far right HAND need more outlets. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #23 November 5, 2003 At least you got the jackass right part - almost. Please capitalize it and place it in red next time and leave out the viagra part - THEN you'll have it right. My intense loathing of Mr. Clinton doesn't come from his sexual exploits. Johnny Huang, Chinese technology transfers, cheating on his wife, perjuring himself under oath, raising taxes, supporting institutionalized racism, his Executive Order giving unions preference over the lowest bidder in cetain gov't contracts, and many many many other things lead to my loathing of the man. I could write a book. Perhaps I should. Even though I loathe him, he did manage to do some good while in office - so did Hitler by the way. Your hate-filled post then goes onto the old tired out FoxNews is a right wing tool argument. Yawn. They hate the left so much they put TWO democratic presidential primary debates on Prime Time - though if you agree that maximum exposure to educated viewers is the worst possible thing for them, I would agree with you. I've read Ann's books and passed them onto others. If you had read my posts about them, I found the third a bit venemous. However, instead of suggesting I use them for a sexual purpose (I would never do so) how about arguing some of the points she presents? Or I present for that matter? Let's start off with the old liberal favorite: Affirmative Action. I, TheAnvil, neither judge anyone by their race for any reason nor do I support any program that does so. Let's hear an educated response to that. I'll type so you can cut and paste: I, Jeanne, think that you SHOULD JUDGE PEOPLE BY THEIR RACE AND SUPPORT RACIALLY DISCRIMINATORY PROGRAMS because....... There. Now you can fill in the rest. Looking forward to your response. Remember JACKASS and not jackass.Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #24 November 5, 2003 QuoteFace it all you conservative wanker yankers Do you sometimes smell the fragrance of oranges, even when there are no oranges around? . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crapflinger2000 1 #25 November 5, 2003 Wow. And I thought I had issues. __________________________________________________ What would Vic Mackey do? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites