Wesley Clark

[TheAnvil 0]

One more reason I loathe the democrats. Aside from condoning and promoting racial prejudice, they seem to be prejudiced against Southerners as well. Didn't hear much about this from the major media - no suprise there. Check out Weasley Clark's thoughts on the South and its denizens. If he had said he wanted all Americans to be represented, even if they're criminals from the inner city, he would be lynched by his fellow democrats - and rightly so. For them it's OK to insult anyone from the South, obviously. Disgusting. Then again, that's why the left won't carry Southern states. Perhaps their bigotry is a good thing in a way.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/gossip/story/135064p-120343c.html

Vinny the Anvil
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One more reason I loathe the democrats. Aside from condoning and promoting racial prejudice, they seem to be prejudiced against Southerners as well. Didn't hear much about this from the major media - no suprise there. Check out Weasley Clark's thoughts on the South and its denizens. If he had said he wanted all Americans to be represented, even if they're criminals from the inner city, he would be lynched by his fellow democrats - and rightly so. For them it's OK to insult anyone from the South, obviously. Disgusting. Then again, that's why the left won't carry Southern states. Perhaps their bigotry is a good thing in a way.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/gossip/story/135064p-120343c.html

But he said it was a joke . . . Jheese give the guy a break.

It's not like he was in the middle of a celebration and joking and laughing like all that had spoken before him - and then said something that could be misconstrued or anything - com'on!

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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LOL. Turtle, you're a genius. Perhaps I should give the guy a break. After all, it's not like he's TRENT LOTT or anything!

I encourage all lefties to compare and contrast Clark's remark with those made by Trent Lott at Strom Thurmond's b-day party.

Vinny the Anvil
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[PhillyKev 0]

If you're link to the "gossip" section of the NY Daily News worked, I'd comment.

EDIT: wrong paper

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One more reason I loathe the democrats. Aside from condoning and promoting racial prejudice, they seem to be prejudiced against Southerners as well.

Ok...the link works. What are you talking about? He was lambasting Dean for his comments. Where did he say anything negative about Southerners, even in joking? He said everyone should be represented even if they're southerners AND stupid. He didn't say southerners are stupid...geezus, the guy is from Arkansas. And you accuse others of bigotry, yours against anyone who had democrat next to their name is obvious.

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And you accuse others of bigotry, yours against anyone who had democrat next to their name is obvious.

Some bigotry is founded on sound principles too.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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I encourage all lefties to compare and contrast Clark's remark with those made by Trent Lott at Strom Thurmond's b-day party.

Trent Lott's comments that were criticized, were innocent in and of them selves. The problem may be that Lott also happened to be a speaker for the Council of Conservative Citizens, an organization formed to succeed the segregationist white Citizens' Councils of the 1960s.

When someone who is associated with racist organizations makes a comment that can be interpreted several ways, there's a good chance people will assume he was being racist. Please tell me what anti-southern organizations Clark belongs to, and also tell me what race southerner is.

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And you accuse others of bigotry, yours against anyone who had democrat next to their name is obvious.

Some bigotry is founded on sound principles too.

At least you admit that you're intolerant of those with opposing views.

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And you accuse others of bigotry, yours against anyone who had democrat next to their name is obvious.

Some bigotry is founded on sound principles too.

At least you admit that you're intolerant of those with opposing views.

It would seem that you are assuming alot from my comment, and I don't even belong to any council , or comitee of any kind. Is that typical of all left leaning people, or just the democrats?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[billvon 3,120]

>Perhaps I should give the guy a break.

He said:

"I think all Americans - and this is a joke! - all Americans, even if they're from the South and 'stupid,' should be represented."

Could he have been any more clear? He was making fun of someone who called southerners stupid.

Anvil, I know you don't like democrats, but slamming him on this makes you look desperate to smear someone at all costs. People do occasionally tell jokes. "An Aggie walks into a bar . . ." doesn't mean someone thinks all Aggies are stupid - unless, of course, you desperately need to smear the person telling the joke.

There are plenty of bad things you can dig up about Clark without resorting to that. They deal with political issues instead of bad jokes. Here are some for you to get started on:

He supports an international war crimes tribunal.

He would not support a war even if WMD's are found in an enemy's country as a result of inspections.

He supports cutbacks in military spending.

He claimed that Iraq absolutely had WMD's, now he's saying they don't.

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It would seem that you are assuming alot from my comment, and I don't even belong to any council , or comitee of any kind. Is that typical of all left leaning people, or just the democrats?

It's typical of people who know the meaning of words. You are implying that you are bigoted based on sound principles.

Bigot: One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.

By definition, you are then admitting to being intolerant. You said it, I didn't.

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What the hell is wrong with making fun of southerners?? They talk funny!
Dave

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It would seem that you are assuming alot from my comment, and I don't even belong to any council , or comitee of any kind. Is that typical of all left leaning people, or just the democrats?

It's typical of people who know the meaning of words. You are implying that you are bigoted based on sound principles.

Bigot: One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.

By definition, you are then admitting to being intolerant. You said it, I didn't.

When, exactly, did I admit to bigotry? Are you assuming again? Are you reading the words or reading to far into them?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[PhillyKev 0]

Nice try....yes, I'm assuming, but don't pretend that you weren't implying it.....

Me: And you accuse others of bigotry, yours against anyone who had democrat next to their name is obvious.

You: Some bigotry is founded on sound principles too.


Are you going to pretend that you didn't mean that you thought being bigoted against democrats was ok, because you believe that bigotry is based on sound principals? Please explain how else your words should be interpreted. Or....were you the one joking this time and shouldn't be taken seriously?

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BillVon
I could smear Weasley Clark on his own statements and proposed policies easily enough, should I choose to do so. He's making enough of a fool of himself without my assistance.

I consider myself a southerner and do not like the fact that bigotry against Southerners - and Christians too - seems to be the last acceptable prejudice among many on the left. I think I posted on this topic in some thread a few months back. He obviously meant this as a joke - I don't think it all that funny, but DO think it indicative of a subtle prejudice prevalent among educated lefties. Zell Miller apparently thinks the same thing - from what I can infer from his recent interviews; his book has yet to arrive in my paws.

PhillyKev & BillVon too
I actually DO like a lot of democrats. Perhaps my post was poorly worded - I feel a bit out of it today. I think liberalism has great potential when applied at LOCAL levels of government. I also think it necessary and beneficial to have a two party system in the US and deep down I would be disturbed should any one party maintain power for an extended time period (though you shall hear TheAnvil SCREAM in anguish when the next lefty gets elected; call me a hypocrite as you wish) unless the party's philosophy drastically evolve over that time period.

The current national party representing liberalism here in the US, however, is incapable of producing a candidate with a coherent and defensible argument due to the make-up of its voting/financial base. Racial discrimination, throwing FEDERAL $$ endlessly at education, socialization of medicine, abortion rights, and legalizing illegal immigrants en masse seem to be the only things that party stands for. None of the above is defensible, and two are utterly reprehensible and sickening.

If I gave you the impression that I detest and loathe all democrats, my apologies - that's an incorrect statement. Their policies - you got it; I loathe 'em in general, though they do have some good things to say from time to time.

Beers to all,

Vinny the Anvil

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I wonder how General Clark. would treat our veterans... Probably a whole lot better than the current state of affairs...

Something I found... and yes as a veteran it REALLY hits home.

November 11, 2003
Veterans Day 2003 and the Rancid Meat in the White House

READER COMMENTARY
by Sean Lewis, Disabled American Veteran

Contemporary observance of Veterans Day started as "Armistice Day," November 11, 1918, in celebration of the end of World War I, "the war to end all wars," as it was known at the time. After the second "war to end all wars," the U. S. Congress changed this annual recognition of World War I veterans, and tribute to the Peace they secured, to "Veterans Day." In its present form, Veterans Day is intended to honor and show respect for all American veterans, from all wars, as well as from times of peace, though we have seen too few of those. In short, it is a day of thanks. This Veterans Day, 2003, is to be a most solemn observance; perhaps the most solemn in the memories of many young people. Certainly for me it is the saddest Veterans Day since I was discharged from the Army in 1993.

As has been the tradition since the days of Harry S. Truman, the President is scheduled to visit Arlington National Cemetery to place a wreath at The Tomb of the Unknowns. Undoubtedly, he will make some remarks from a prepared statement, serving up platitudes to the country, to veterans, to those presently serving, and to the honored dead. the words "service," "sacrifice," and "patriotism" are sure to pepper his speech; seasoning for the palate of a nation at war and hungry for leadership. But for many, this seasoning shall be like too much salt on already rancid meat, unable to cover up the sour, acrid taste that lies beneath. Under this conjured spice of rhetoric and platitude, a personal and political history of contempt for this nation and her military belie the true taste of this putrid meal being served to the American People.

To sample this spoiled meat, dear reader, one need but continue on.

This President is the only President to have never attended the funeral of a fallen soldier, nor personally met with the family to provide comfort and encouragement.

This President is the first to prohibit the Press Corps from Dover Air Force Base, where those who have given their lives for his cause make their return to American soil, thus depriving the populace from the privilege of honoring the sacrifice of these brave young men and women.

This President is the first to present a budget to Congress that provides less money to the Veterans' Administration than the previous year.

This President is the only President to have been Absent Without Leave (AWOL) from his own military service -- a deserter in a time of war.

This President is the only American President to have appeared publicly -- in official capacity -- wearing a military uniform, mocking those who actually serve.

This President is the first President to roll back benefits to active duty military personnel and veterans alike.

This President is the only one to have sent American troops off to war, then cut their hazardous duty pay.

This President has ordered that the Veterans' Administration is not to inform veterans of the benefits legally due them.

This President has rescinded military medical benefits for all retired military personnel, breaking a promise made to people who have decided to spend their lives in service since before the Korean War.

This President has pressed into active duty more National Guard troops than at any time since World War II, leaving states' militias ill-prepared to deal with normal duties, such as natural disaster response.

This President has instituted "processing fees" of $250 for veterans trying to claim their legally-due benefits, and increased co-pay at VA Medical Centers.

This President has sent our young loved ones off to war under false pretenses.

In addition to these atrocious, cynical slaps at the military and veterans, he has gone after their families. Money has been cut for military housing, military dependant medical benefits, and hardship pay, all of which help military families to deal with the harsh realities of day to day life.

But it doesn't stop there. With self-righteous mockery, this President signed into law the USA PATRIOT Act, diluting the Bill of Rights and compromising the very Constitution that he and every U. S. troop is sworn to uphold and defend. Ostensibly, this was to strengthen the investigative powers of our law enforcement agencies and prevent terrorism. If that is the case, the USA PATRIOT Act should be the perfect tool to find the traitor in the White House.

For the first time in American history, an unknown person in the current administration has committed treason. By publicly revealing the name of an operative of the Central Intelligence Agency, the most treasonous act committed during the current war, someone in the White House has killed dozens, if not scores, of American intelligence agents abroad. Yet this President does not seem concerned with finding the traitor. In fact, he doesn't even call him that. The official word calls this despicable act of treason "a leak," as though it were some simple matter of a staffer revealing to Geraldo Rivera that the President naps in the Oval Office.

As with any slab of fetid meat one might accidentally discover in the refrigerator months too late, the only appropriate action is to throw it out. Do not even open the container. It is rotten, and no amount of seasoning, grilling, boiling or searing heat will be able to make it safe. Just throw it out.

Yesterday, a friend let me know that she was thinking of me this Veterans Day, and wondered how she can show her thanks to veterans like me. A simple "thank you" is always appreciated. When you think of the freedoms that you have, thank a vet. When you hear a civilian speak ill of the military, keep in mind that this person is exercising a right that he is not willing to defend. When you hear the voice of anyone in power trying to feed you salted meat, exercise your rights, and don't accept "free speech zones." After all of this, the greatest honor given any of us would be to write letters to Senators and Representatives, telling them that America needs to support her troops and our veterans better than she is now and end this unconscionable disrespect being shown to them now.

Above all, remember.

Sean Lewis
Disabled American Veteran
Persian Gulf War I
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[TheAnvil 0]

If you know this person personally I'd suggest you explain to him a few basics on civics - who controls the purse strings, who writes the budget, what the definition of 'cut' is, and a few other basic things about how our government works. Then the next time he writes a letter, it won't sound as ridiculous as this one. As hate filled, probably, but not as ridiculous. Once you weed through all of the nonsense, he actually makes some OK points.

Vinny the Anvil
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But for a patriotic commander in chief of the worlds richest nation.... with all the flag waving at EVERY appearance he makes.. I would say he does a disservice to those who are actually serving. The current Budgets are written by whom?? the White House, then sent to the Congress.

But what the hell do I know.. I am just a taxpayer with not enough deductions.

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The current national party representing liberalism here in the US, however, is incapable of producing a candidate with a coherent and defensible argument due to the make-up of its voting/financial base. Racial discrimination, throwing FEDERAL $$ endlessly at education, socialization of medicine, abortion rights, and legalizing illegal immigrants en masse seem to be the only things that party stands for. None of the above is defensible, and two are utterly reprehensible and sickening.

I tend to agree with some of that, but I also feel the same way about the GOP. I think both parties are ridiculously corrupt and exist only for their own self-fulfillment. But in having to choose between a group that may take more money from me to use on sonial services that should be handled in a different way, or a group who wants to dictate morality and personal life decisions, I'll take the former.

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But in having to choose between a group that may take more money from me to use on sonial services that should be handled in a different way, or a group who wants to dictate morality and personal life decisions, I'll take the former.

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So your choice is between the democrats and the democrats.

I'm sorry...which party is anti-choice, pro-censorship, and claims the moral majority that would dictate what should be considered art and entertainment by others based on their personal moral code?

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Again - FUNNY!!

Democrats don't like Republican because they are scared of "Big Brother"

Republicans don't like Democrat because they are scared of "Big Brother"

The more I understand about both parties the less respect I continue to find for them both. I still consider repulican to be the lesser of two bad choices. At least I get to keep my income and use it for my family and myself and locally instead having it taken and given to people (most) and programs (most) who don't need it or don't deserve it or abuse the same so that those who do need it (no one "deserves" it) can't get it.

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[billvon 3,120]

>The more I understand about both parties the less respect I
>continue to find for them both.

Amen.

>At least I get to keep my income and use it for my family and myself . . .

Up until this administration, the republican party has been the party of smaller government. However, in the past two years, the government has seen its biggest growth since the 1960's, and the largest increase in spending (as a percentage of GDP) in a long time. We _will_ end up paying for that.

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Again - FUNNY!!

Democrats don't like Republican because they are scared of "Big Brother"

Republicans don't like Democrat because they are scared of "Big Brother"

The more I understand about both parties the less respect I continue to find for them both. I still consider repulican to be the lesser of two bad choices. At least I get to keep my income and use it for my family and myself and locally instead having it taken and given to people (most) and programs (most) who don't need it or don't deserve it or abuse the same so that those who do need it (no one "deserves" it) can't get it.

Support your local Libertarian candidate - small government, conservative fiscal policies, against meddling interference in the private lives of citizens...

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